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SirFelixCat

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I very well may get the same mobo as you...going to want to SLI down the road. That being said, I am going to get the X-Fi sound card...I got beat over the head with that in the other thread, as well as a Tuniq Tower for cooling (although with the case, I am considering water cooling.

Nonetheless, I appreciate all the feedback and info, fellas, but since the 37" Westy is only $999, I'd be a fool to pass that up. I will be going with that. I'll have this puppy under the tree, so-to-speak, so expect pics around Christmas. Thanks again to everyone and I can NOT WAIT!!! ;)
 

m21s

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Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: SirFelixCat
So what do you guys think about going the 30" Dell (3007) and a 24" BenQ?

I have a thing for aesthetics, so I would prefer a Dell 3007WFP and a Dell 2407WFP. I actually just got a 2407WFP yesterday, and I'm quite pleased with it. It was considerably cheaper then the BenQ F241W, and it comes with a 3 year warrantee. The only place I've found the BenQ for a reasonable price is newegg, and it has a "Limited Non-Refundable 30-Day Return Policy" from newegg, and then you're left dealing with BenQ. For all I know BenQ has the best customer service in the industry so this might not be an issue, but with Dell I know that at least I can call them and get any issues straightened out. ...it might take a bit, and I might not understand half of what the phone rep says, but they will eventually make sure I'm happy.

If money was no object for an ultimate build, I think the 1x 3007WFP and the 2x 2007FP setup would be awesome. Then again so would 3x 3007WFP, but I'm not sure that would even fit on my desk. At any rate I would go with an odd number (1 or 3), since the idea of dual is less appealing to me than having a single main monitor.

no offense m21s, but "meh" on the 37" Westy... I'm sure it would make for a nice living room TV, but I've seen TV's used as monitors at Micro Center, Fry's and elsewhere, and it just doesn't look as good for desktop usage.

The OP is using an 8800GTX and possibly SLI'd.
...not with an Asus P5W DH he isn't...

...back to the OP... On your build, get a damn X-Fi instead of that 5 year old Audigy. The Audigy sounds fine, but the X-Fi is better.

Aside from the motherboard, your build is going to be very similar to mine, you won't be disappointed. :)


This is not a TV!!!!

This is the problem with people who are uninformed. Because they see the size they "automatically think" its a TV.

This is a monitor and only a monitor, there is no TV tuner in this.

This looks better than any other monitor I have seen, the 1920x1080 resolution used on the desktop looks just as good as a 30" display.

 

m21s

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Originally posted by: GimpyFuzznut
Can you tell me if the Westinghouse has scaling options for different resolutions? I;m not going to be able to game at 1080P for a while so I was wondering if the screen would be flexible scaling lower resolutions without distortion or maybe providing 1:1 mapping. For a few hundred bucks more, its DEFINITELY looking like a better idea that a 2407.


This scales perfectly.

No image stretching.

Lower resolutions will provide the black bars around your image.
 

m21s

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Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: SirFelixCat



The OP is using an 8800GTX and possibly SLI'd.
...not with an Asus P5W DH he isn't...

Originally posted by: SirFelixCat
So I'm saving up my pennies and such for my gaming/do everything rig and here is my baby:

The Build

Now, I may tinker here and there with it, but essentially, that's her. Now, when prices come down a bit, I'll be adding a 2nd 8800GTX, but one should be sufficient for now.



Well this is what he posted in his original post so he might be changing his MB to accommodate SLI.
 

nitromullet

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Originally posted by: m21s
This is not a TV!!!!

This is the problem with people who are uninformed. Because they see the size they "automatically think" its a TV.

This is a monitor and only a monitor, there is no TV tuner in this.

This looks better than any other monitor I have seen, the 1920x1080 resolution used on the desktop looks just as good as a 30" display.

Call it what you want it's a screen that is meant for your living room and not a desktop.

They are just saving you some cash by not putting in a TV tuner because the know that anyone who buys it is going to hook it up to something that will provide a signal. Rabbit ears wouldn't look very good on that screen.

I've seen them on display hooked up to PC's before, and they don't look as good. I just got done monitor shopping myself, and an HD"TV" type screen was a brief consideration so I checked them out. It's simple math... larger area, less pixels. You have less pixels on a 37" display as I do on a 24" display, which one do you think is going to look sharper...? Sitting back further to make the screen look better defeats the purpose of a big screen IMO. I'd take a 24" screen 1920x1200 over a 37" with 1920x1080 any day, but that's me...

The point is that you're happy, neither one of us has to be wrong or uninformed... The OP was asking for opinions (different one's I assume) so he could look into a few options...
 

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Well personally, I normally prefer the higher res of an actual Computer Monitor Vs a "can be used as" Computer Monitor. If it was my choice, the Dell or Apple 30".

Although, there seem to be alot of people very happy using the Westy 37", it might be worth a look in person.
 

m21s

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Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: m21s
This is not a TV!!!!

This is the problem with people who are uninformed. Because they see the size they "automatically think" its a TV.

This is a monitor and only a monitor, there is no TV tuner in this.

This looks better than any other monitor I have seen, the 1920x1080 resolution used on the desktop looks just as good as a 30" display.

Call it what you want it's a screen that is meant for your living room and not a desktop.


Please explain to me how you came to the conclusion that this belongs in a living room?

Its the same thing as a 30" display just 7" BIGGER.

Same inputs (actually more), no tuner. Its a monitor.

Something about anything over 30" and it belong in the living room.

This is not sold as a television, when are you people going to realize that its not a "can be used" as a computer monitor.

IT IS A COMPUTER MONITOR.

If the OP is going to game (which he will be) i will put any amount of money that if you run this along side a 30" display with all the eye candy running in the game, people would prefer this over a 30".

Why....

Because its going to look just as good as the 30" with the higher resolution, and more importantly its bigger which is a lot nicer when your gaming.

 

GimpyFuzznut

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Something about 37" just seems better than 24"! I can't say from experience, but as someone who is looking into picking up a screen soon, that Westinghouse is looking mighty tempting.
 

nitromullet

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Originally posted by: m21s
Please explain to me how you came to the conclusion that this belongs in a living room?

Its the same thing as a 30" display just 7" BIGGER.

I say it's the same thing as an HDTV, only lacking a tuner... You don't notice the interesting coincidence that your screen just happens to be the same resolution required for 1080i/1080p and it's a 16:9 aspect ratio (as most wide screen TV's) as opposed to 16:10 (which is standard for wide screen monitors)? It isn't the size that makes me think "TV" (even though I have a 37" HDTV), it's all its other attributes.

From Westinghouse themselves:

http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=56

37" 1080p Monitor
LVM-37w3
True 1080p with 6 HD inputs.

With 37 inches of pure HD entertainment, you?ll have trouble deciding what to do on it next. The Westinghouse 37" 1080p monitor is a true 1080p monitor, combining leading-edge technology with stylish design, to deliver the ultimate in entertainment enjoyment. The LVM-37w3 is ideal for all viewing environments, with greater versatility than plasma, especially for daytime viewing. Designed to be future-proof, this big 1080p monitor is equipped with 6 HD connections. If you?re into maximum entertainment, it?s the only display that should be connected to your HD cable box, satellite or multimedia PC.

(bolded mine) Even they aren't selling it as a desktop monitor...

 

SirFelixCat

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I want someone here to really, truly explain to me the difference between 1920 x 1200, 1920 x 1080, and 2560 x 1600.

I know that the 1920 x 1200 is 16:10 as is the 2560 x 1600 and the 1920 x 1080 is 16:9, which is ideal for movies and such.

What I am asking is, really, when you get up to those resolutions, is there really THAT big of a difference in detail? I'd be willing to bet that the majority of gamers out there are playing at 1600 x 1200, or at the extreme edge of "mainstream" 1920 x 1xxx. Yes, the video card that I'll be getting (and down the road a 2nd one), will have plenty of juice to run anything at 2560 x 1600, but will I really be missing out on much if anything?

Not to mention that, well, the Dell 3007 runs @ $1200-$1300. The 37" Westy is $1000 shipped. I understand there there are more pixels in the higher res, but still, once you get to a point, is it not "overkill"? I mean, the same as FPS...once you get above @ 70fps, you're not seeing any difference, only for bragging rights, no?

So tell me...7 more inches, true 16:9 aspect, perfect scaling, and you save a couple of hundred dollars...

Why would I not want the Westy?
 

SirFelixCat

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Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: m21s
Please explain to me how you came to the conclusion that this belongs in a living room?

Its the same thing as a 30" display just 7" BIGGER.

I say it's the same thing as an HDTV, only lacking a tuner... You don't notice the interesting coincidence that your screen just happens to be the same resolution required for 1080i/1080p and it's a 16:9 aspect ratio (as most wide screen TV's) as opposed to 16:10 (which is standard for wide screen monitors)? It isn't the size that makes me think "TV" (even though I have a 37" HDTV), it's all its other attributes.

From Westinghouse themselves:

http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=56

37" 1080p Monitor
LVM-37w3
True 1080p with 6 HD inputs.

With 37 inches of pure HD entertainment, you?ll have trouble deciding what to do on it next. The Westinghouse 37" 1080p monitor is a true 1080p monitor, combining leading-edge technology with stylish design, to deliver the ultimate in entertainment enjoyment. The LVM-37w3 is ideal for all viewing environments, with greater versatility than plasma, especially for daytime viewing. Designed to be future-proof, this big 1080p monitor is equipped with 6 HD connections. If you?re into maximum entertainment, it?s the only display that should be connected to your HD cable box, satellite or multimedia PC.

(bolded mine) Even they aren't selling it as a desktop monitor...

Not to really get into a pissing fight, here, but imho, the reason that they are selling it as a "TV" is really, the majority of people use 19-22" monitors. Very Very very few people have any interest at all in a display this HUGE as a monitor. I mean, come on...24" still isn't the "norm", much less 37". They can sell it as a "TV" much better. It's all about marketing....
 

nitromullet

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Originally posted by: SirFelixCat
I want someone here to really, truly explain to me the difference between 1920 x 1200, 1920 x 1080, and 2560 x 1600.

I know that the 1920 x 1200 is 16:10 as is the 2560 x 1600 and the 1920 x 1080 is 16:9, which is ideal for movies and such.

What I am asking is, really, when you get up to those resolutions, is there really THAT big of a difference in detail? I'd be willing to bet that the majority of gamers out there are playing at 1600 x 1200, or at the extreme edge of "mainstream" 1920 x 1xxx. Yes, the video card that I'll be getting (and down the road a 2nd one), will have plenty of juice to run anything at 2560 x 1600, but will I really be missing out on much if anything?

Not to mention that, well, the Dell 3007 runs @ $1200-$1300. The 37" Westy is $1000 shipped. I understand there there are more pixels in the higher res, but still, once you get to a point, is it not "overkill"? I mean, the same as FPS...once you get above @ 70fps, you're not seeing any difference, only for bragging rights, no?

So tell me...7 more inches, true 16:9 aspect, perfect scaling, and you save a couple of hundred dollars...

Why would I not want the Westy?

I don't think gaming is the issue, but desktop usage. My advice:

1) Go to a few retail stores that have Macs and a few "TV type" screens hooked up to PC's on display. I say Macs because there aren't many 30" monitors out there, and generally places that sell Macs have a 30" Apple Cinema display set up for you to drool over. Also, when checking out these displays, make sure that they are running at their native resolution and on a DVI input. By doing this, you should be able to see firsthand how the differences in resolutions will affect the image quality.

2) You might want to re-think how you are describing this purchase. If you are concerned between the difference in price between a $1200 30" Dell and a $1000 Westy, then you aren't in "end-all-be-all" territory, but in the more realistic world that the rest of us live in of "what's the best screen I can get for my money". I think that you will get better recommendations if you tell us your budget and what you want instead of making it sound as if the sky is the limit.

Based on what I can tell so far, I would suggest a 24" 1920x1200 LCD. This is the conclusion that I arrived at for a very similar system to your planned build, and I am quite pleased with it. A 30" LCD, like the Dell 3007 is awesome, but you will have to feed that screen with powerful video card(s). I imagine that even the mighty 8800GTX will have it's work cut out for it on a 30" LCD.

You also may want to take notice of the fact that your motherboard choice doesn't support SLI, so you would be running a single GeForce. I have heard about people running SLI on the Asus P5W DH Dlx with some really old drivers, but I'm not sure if they support the 8-series at all, nor would I want to not able to update drivers on a rig that costs as much as that. If you change your mind about the motherboard and get one that supports SLI, you should also re-think your PSU choice. The 750W PCP&C is a great PSU, and I have no doubts that it will power dual 8800GTXes, but at this point it only comes with two 6-pin plugs for the video cards, which means that you will have to use four of your 4-pin molex plugs and the Y-adapters to make the other two 6-pin plugs. This isn't the end of the world, but if I was buying new I'd want to avoid setting myself up for having to do that as it will make for a bigger cable mess and will take four of your 4-pin molex plugs. I believe that this is actually the reason that NVIDIA didn't certify the 750W Silencer for 8800GX SLI. (if you really want good PSU advice, check out jonnyguru.com )
 

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Originally posted by: SirFelixCat
I want someone here to really, truly explain to me the difference between 1920 x 1200, 1920 x 1080, and 2560 x 1600.

I know that the 1920 x 1200 is 16:10 as is the 2560 x 1600 and the 1920 x 1080 is 16:9, which is ideal for movies and such.

What I am asking is, really, when you get up to those resolutions, is there really THAT big of a difference in detail? I'd be willing to bet that the majority of gamers out there are playing at 1600 x 1200, or at the extreme edge of "mainstream" 1920 x 1xxx. Yes, the video card that I'll be getting (and down the road a 2nd one), will have plenty of juice to run anything at 2560 x 1600, but will I really be missing out on much if anything?

Not to mention that, well, the Dell 3007 runs @ $1200-$1300. The 37" Westy is $1000 shipped. I understand there there are more pixels in the higher res, but still, once you get to a point, is it not "overkill"? I mean, the same as FPS...once you get above @ 70fps, you're not seeing any difference, only for bragging rights, no?

So tell me...7 more inches, true 16:9 aspect, perfect scaling, and you save a couple of hundred dollars...

Why would I not want the Westy?
I'll take that bet. Most people run at 1280x1024 these days, since they get 17" or 19" monitors with their computer. Only the "hardcore" play at 16x12 or higher.

Unless you really need the extra desktop space, a 30" (2560x1600) monitor just means you have to spend $1000 on video cards every year to keep gaming - I'm sure it's nice, but the gains probably aren't worth it. Personally, I would get dual 24" monitors (not that I can afford it :p), but I can't fault anyone for going with a 37" 1080p LCD. You may want to sit a little farther away from it than a normal monitor though. ;)
 

SirFelixCat

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Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: SirFelixCat
I want someone here to really, truly explain to me the difference between 1920 x 1200, 1920 x 1080, and 2560 x 1600.

I know that the 1920 x 1200 is 16:10 as is the 2560 x 1600 and the 1920 x 1080 is 16:9, which is ideal for movies and such.

What I am asking is, really, when you get up to those resolutions, is there really THAT big of a difference in detail? I'd be willing to bet that the majority of gamers out there are playing at 1600 x 1200, or at the extreme edge of "mainstream" 1920 x 1xxx. Yes, the video card that I'll be getting (and down the road a 2nd one), will have plenty of juice to run anything at 2560 x 1600, but will I really be missing out on much if anything?

Not to mention that, well, the Dell 3007 runs @ $1200-$1300. The 37" Westy is $1000 shipped. I understand there there are more pixels in the higher res, but still, once you get to a point, is it not "overkill"? I mean, the same as FPS...once you get above @ 70fps, you're not seeing any difference, only for bragging rights, no?

So tell me...7 more inches, true 16:9 aspect, perfect scaling, and you save a couple of hundred dollars...

Why would I not want the Westy?

I don't think gaming is the issue, but desktop usage. My advice:

1) Go to a few retail stores that have Macs and a few "TV type" screens hooked up to PC's on display. I say Macs because there aren't many 30" monitors out there, and generally places that sell Macs have a 30" Apple Cinema display set up for you to drool over. Also, when checking out these displays, make sure that they are running at their native resolution and on a DVI input. By doing this, you should be able to see firsthand how the differences in resolutions will affect the image quality.

2) You might want to re-think how you are describing this purchase. If you are concerned between the difference in price between a $1200 30" Dell and a $1000 Westy, then you aren't in "end-all-be-all" territory, but in the more realistic world that the rest of us live in of "what's the best screen I can get for my money". I think that you will get better recommendations if you tell us your budget and what you want instead of making it sound as if the sky is the limit.

Based on what I can tell so far, I would suggest a 24" 1920x1200 LCD. This is the conclusion that I arrived at for a very similar system to your planned build, and I am quite pleased with it. A 30" LCD, like the Dell 3007 is awesome, but you will have to feed that screen with powerful video card(s). I imagine that even the mighty 8800GTX will have it's work cut out for it on a 30" LCD.

You also may want to take notice of the fact that your motherboard choice doesn't support SLI, so you would be running a single GeForce. I have heard about people running SLI on the Asus P5W DH Dlx with some really old drivers, but I'm not sure if they support the 8-series at all, nor would I want to not able to update drivers on a rig that costs as much as that. If you change your mind about the motherboard and get one that supports SLI, you should also re-think your PSU choice. The 750W PCP&C is a great PSU, and I have no doubts that it will power dual 8800GTXes, but at this point it only comes with two 6-pin plugs for the video cards, which means that you will have to use four of your 4-pin molex plugs and the Y-adapters to make the other two 6-pin plugs. This isn't the end of the world, but if I was buying new I'd want to avoid setting myself up for having to do that as it will make for a bigger cable mess and will take four of your 4-pin molex plugs. I believe that this is actually the reason that NVIDIA didn't certify the 750W Silencer for 8800GX SLI. (if you really want good PSU advice, check out jonnyguru.com )

You're 100% right on the mobo part. After doing some more research, I'm leaning towards the EVGA NF68 680i SLI. I'm having a hard time finding any real faults with it. And it future proofs a little bit more. Sure there are a few little BIOS issues, but all-in-all, it's a mother of a mobo (pun intended).

As for monitor $$$ goes, $1600 is the range I was planning on spending. I was not saying that price was the deciding factor, not at all. I simply was pointing out that more desktop space for less money just seemed smart to me. I don't like spending top dollar just because I can afford to ;)

I think I will go take a gander at said displays too and see if the difference is really as big as you're making out or whether or not I would be fine with it.

But at this point, I am still leaning towards the 37" Westy, (based on this thread as well as reading on widescreengaming, avsforum, amoung other places). I appreciate all the feedback and differing opinions. It's really made for a more informed decision when I do pull the trigger next week!




 

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Originally posted by: SirFelixCat
I simply was pointing out that more desktop space for less money just seemed smart to me.

:confused:

But the 3007 has more desktop space
 

SirFelixCat

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Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: SirFelixCat
I simply was pointing out that more desktop space for less money just seemed smart to me.

:confused:

But the 3007 has more desktop space

I misspoke, you're right. "Comparable desktop space" I should have said.