which job would you rather do?

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Ns1

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at least that means changing jobs = pay raises! ;)

Yeah, but you probably should have done when you were 29 so that you could stay home and be with the kids at 34, and not vice versa ;) Thus you have a very, very difficult decision.

damn that hindsight!
 

rh71

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Yeah, but you probably should have done when you were 29 so that you could stay home and be with the kids at 34, and not vice versa ;) Thus you have a very, very difficult decision.

damn that hindsight!

I've actually had this job since I was 22. 5 years ago (or maybe 2005) was just when they sent everyone home (cost savings). So you see why I was actually excited to stay at home for the first time at 29.
 
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Ns1

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I've actually had this job since I was 22. 5 years ago (or maybe 2005) was just when they sent everyone home (cost savings). So you see why I was actually excited to stay at home for the first time at 29.

ah makes sense, so you're at the "repeat cycle every 10 years" part LOL
 

sunzt

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you and your wife should just combine finances (bank accounts).
 

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you'd think you'd be able to enjoy MORE toys but you end up having no time to do so. the evenings and weekends, the times when you'd want to play with your toys, ends up being filled with all the things you couldn't do during the weekdays.

eg - my weekday schedule:

6 am - walk dog, feed dog, play with dog
7 am - get ready for work (includes breakfast)
8 am - leave for work
9 - 9:30 am - arrive at work
noon - 1 pm - workout
6 - 6:30 pm - leave for home (this is early, lately i've been here until 8 pm)
7:30 - 8:00 pm - arrive home
8 pm - dinner (i may have to cook dinner if we're grilling)
10 pm - start the bedtime process
11 pm - final dog walk
midnight - bedtime for daddy

How long have you done this routine? After a few months I'd be ready to jump off a bridge.
 

dquan97

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OP, I'd count my lucky stars if I were you. As long as you have enough to get by, everyone's healthy, and you have some time to play hockey, that's really all you need. I understand it's nice to have some toys along the way, but focus on spending the time with the kids instead.
 

blackdogdeek

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How long have you done this routine? After a few months I'd be ready to jump off a bridge.

to be fair, it's only been a few weeks since we got the puppy (11 Aug) so the dog-walking at 6 am and 11 pm is new. also, since the girls are out of school they've been going to bed much later than they would during the school year. school starts next week so bedtime will probably occur at least an hour earlier. unfortunately, that just means less time hanging out with them during the week :( but maybe it will mean i can have some free time :)
 

poopaskoopa

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interesting that all are for what I currently have - I guess the grass is always greener indeed because everyone at this company complains about the same thing but most don't have the option of NYC salaries so they easily stay.

My kids are now 4, one more year of daycare then kindergarten and onward for free which will be a huge financial relief (twins are obviously more money and at the same time). But it's still not enough for me to just spend an extra few hundred a month on a car. It's not keeping up with the Joneses type of thing - I just like cars a lot. I am not doing it "just for the money". I would be doing it to enjoy life and to me it buys MORE happiness. But you're probably right, not at the expense of grueling commutes because you guys would know better.

As for splitting 50/50 bills, it's really only fair. It's funny - at one point I actually made more than my wife. Those jobs in NYC pay stupid bonuses on top of raises every year so she quickly surpassed me. She depresses me too I guess you could say.

Sounds like daycare cost isn't as big a factor, then. That would sway me towards the higher paying job somewhat too.

Background:
-35, married, wife works as a freelance photographer. She worked full-time before, but she focused on her freelance biz to control her time before we started trying to have a baby. Now she has the biz but doesn't work full-time.
-1 kid(2 months old baby)
-I work 50% from home. The other 50%? I drive 1 hr each way. In a Z28. Not in love with my $350/mo gas expense. I rationalize this as it not being that much worse than people who drive 30 mins each way to work, 5 days a week.

I don't agree that 50/50 is always fair. Though I know personally a few couples that do this. It sounds to me like you two had an agreement: she works in the city to make more money, you work from home to spend more time with the kids. Maybe you sacrificed your career somewhat, maybe not. I know that my wife put the child rearing ahead of her earning potential, so we don't have that 50/50 deal(we have a joint account) and I don't feel the 50/50 deal would be a fair arrangement for us. It'd break my heart if my wife ever told me she feels like she herself is just getting by.

Basically, I don't think it's wrong to get your wife to shoulder more of the car payment, if it's important enough and it doesn't compromise the core financial goals in life.
 

rh71

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^ no, no agreement, we just fell into our roles this way over time. We've both had our jobs over 12 years. I don't have a car payment now but want a new car just as a toy every couple years and I'm not going to ask my wife to indulge that just because I want it. It is just an example of how it would be unfair to ask her to pay for the extra things I want. We've done all bills and everything to do with the kids as 50/50. She put up more money for the house purchase & upgrades and then we've continued 50/50 again. I don't really want to have to worry about money, but I'm not going to say "then why don't you just pay more for everything".
 
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PricklyPete

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Material things are never worth less time with your family or doing a job that you are going to have less satisfaction in. I am 34, developer, and I am making the exact opposite move. I have been working long hours for a company (that I actually enjoyed the work). I was consulting/traveling a lot...and while the work was engaging and the money was terrific, it wasn't worth the life commitment necessary to just enjoy "toys". Luckily I was able to find a job in an area that my wife and I wanted to live that paid nearly as much as my other job...but I would have taken less for more time for myself and my family.
 

Koing

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you'd think you'd be able to enjoy MORE toys but you end up having no time to do so. the evenings and weekends, the times when you'd want to play with your toys, ends up being filled with all the things you couldn't do during the weekdays.

eg - my weekday schedule:

6 am - walk dog, feed dog, play with dog
7 am - get ready for work (includes breakfast)
8 am - leave for work
9 - 9:30 am - arrive at work
noon - 1 pm - workout
6 - 6:30 pm - leave for home (this is early, lately i've been here until 8 pm)
7:30 - 8:00 pm - arrive home
8 pm - dinner (i may have to cook dinner if we're grilling)
10 pm - start the bedtime process
11 pm - final dog walk
midnight - bedtime for daddy

That is near enough my schedule apart from the dog and the working out at lunch now!

The last company I could go train at lunchtimes but not at this investment bank. The developers go to the gym though. A working lunch f0cking blows man...and oh yeah the dam f0cking 2.5hr commute round trip blows as well but you just get immune to it. At least on the way back I can sleep on the train for 15minutes. I refuse to stand on the train for 30minutes leaving work so I'll wait 10-15minutes for the next train a seat.

My mate has just took a big pay cut from working at another Bank going to a software house. The pay cut must have been at least 30-40% but he now doesn't have to spend 12-14hr a week commuting. All of my other mates spend at least 12-14hrs a week commuting. He woke up one morning and said he can't see himself spending 12-14hrs a week commuting.

Try it out for a few years and see how you get on but you may never be able to get the chance to work from home and not spend so much time commuting. You go to decide is the extra $500 a month worth it?

What could you do with an extra $500 a month? It's probably worth it, if you work at a new place and jump ship in 2-3yrs time and get another pay rise.

Koing
 

purbeast0

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just curious rh71 ... by 'web programmer' what exactly do you mean? like what languages?
 
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^ no, no agreement, we just fell into our roles this way over time. We've both had our jobs over 12 years. I don't have a car payment now but want a new car just as a toy every couple years and I'm not going to ask my wife to indulge that just because I want it. It is just an example of how it would be unfair to ask her to pay for the extra things I want. We've done all bills and everything to do with the kids as 50/50. She put up more money for the house purchase & upgrades and then we've continued 50/50 again. I don't really want to have to worry about money, but I'm not going to say "then why don't you just pay more for everything".

what is this your money my money bs?
sounds like a great marriage you have there.
:$
 

Sho'Nuff

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I'm a 34yo web programmer.

I currently work at home full time and have been for at least 5 years (I can't remember how long). I get to see my kids all day everyday and do whatever I want basically whenever I want while working for a big name. Unlimited "sick days" too. A lot of the employees telecommute. I do like the work that I do as well as the people, but the pay isn't great with little to zero annual raises/bonuses and they use the excuse of work-life balance to compensate. No real room to move up any ladder either.

Another job pays something like $20-30k more but it's in NYC where it's 45 mins railroad then another 15-20mins train, EACH way. There's also late nights at times and you rub elbows with people just a cubicle away. Not as easy to run errands whenever I want like I do now either. More fast-paced, more pressure... obviously different from what I have now.

I've always wanted to make more money (have been here too long and just become complacent - working from home doesn't motivate to keep up to date with technologies either). I dream of being able to lease cars every 2 years with no worry for the poor financial decision. Right now with the high cost of living here we just get by. Well I do, my wife does great with her NYC job but I am not going to spend her money on a car of my own if you know what I mean. We split everything 50/50 so I WANT to make more. Anyway, people I know who live this lifestyle basically only have free time on weekends to enjoy their toys, and that's it. I don't know if that's the truth, it's just how I perceive it. My wife leaves at 630am and gets home 530pm - pretty long day of riding trains. She's not alone - such NYC commuters look like androids and say they "get used to it."

At my age and with kids, I am not sure leaving freedom to do "more work with more effort" is the best decision but at the same time if I don't do it now I never will. If I were without kids and in my 20s, the decision would be obvious. I feel like a lot of people at my company stay for the same reasons and that's why there are so many lifers - not because they get rich or come close. I justify keeping my job to myself everyday but everytime I hear of someone making 6-figures or close I'm reminded that I may be wasting my time here. What would you do?

Don't forget to factor in the cost of the new commute and working in an office instead of at home. Gas, train fare, etc., can easily add up to a few thousand a year, and that doesn;t take into account other common work-related expenses, e.g., eating lunch out with co-workers.

I can tell you from personal experience that money does not buy happiness. At least not after a certain point. I make a good living now, but at one point I made twice as much money working for a huge law firm and burning the candle at both ends. My wife and I were kidless at the time, but after a few years I was utterly miserable, and the job ultimately became intolerable once we had kids. you may feel otherwise, but time with my children is the most important thing to me.
 

Koing

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srsly, not that much different from mine either. jesus christ growing up sucks.

It f0cking blows mate...up by 640, out by 710, back by 1930 and straight to the gym on club nights, repeat Mon to Fri.

But when you go on holiday it's so bad ass. Then when you come back you get on a bit of a downer for about 2 weeks. You then just have to forget about the amazing time you had off on holiday and get back to reality. I'm really jealous of people who really enjoy their work and it pays well. I'm stuck as I can't really do anything else that pays as well so I just have to grind away.

I have to pay £3.4k ~ $5.4k for my yearly train ticket! That is nearly £5k gross.

I do work with some really great people that makes work worth going to though.

Koing