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Which is worse: Weed or Alcohol?

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Regarding marijuana and driving....

Marijuana also impairs judgment and reaction time. Road tests for marijuana intoxication are not routinely done, but a special study in Memphis, Tennessee, showed that one-third of drivers stopped for reckless driving were high on marijuana. Another study revealed that of drivers involved in accidents who were treated at a trauma center, 15 percent had been smoking marijuana.
 
Regulating alcohol? Please. You can drink or drive from your own private home. Alcohol is much more dangerous than pot. I am an addict that did hard drugs for a while. I know what I am talking about. Alcohol should be illegal. Pot shouldn't be. The stuff is way less dangerous than alcohol.

DaveSomher, have you ever done any drugs other than alcohol?
 
you can aquire a physical addiction to alcohol, while you can only aquire a psychological addiction to weed.

it isnt really that simple to just say one or the other is worse though.


here are some things i have gathered from my own experience:

negatives about weed:
- can damage your memory (temporarily or perminantly, depending on how often used) - i have had friends that smoked probably 5 or 6 times within 3 weeks, and they even said they began to think less clearly, so they decided to stop.

- it is illegal - if you are in a job where you can be randomly drug tested, or even if you just have a physical for school, you can get screwed big time for this one. also, possession can mean big trouble if caught.

- depending on the person (as others have said) weed can have different affects. i have seen some kids totally paranoid (which if i were them would be a good indication that weed is a bad idea) and others that are just really mellow, and layed back, and enjoy themselves more. this can be a negative, or not depending on your personal experience.

positives about weed:
- you cant OD on it. since it is a natural drug, you cant OD and end up killing yourself or something.

- it can make tedious tasks less boring

negatives about alcohol:
- you can OD, get alcohol poisoning, and/or possibly die.

- it dampens your reaction time - I.E. you cant drive a vehicle ( if you do and get caught, then there is big trouble for you)

- you can become addicted to it.

positives about alcohol:
- when used in a pretty controlled environment, then i have found it to just make things more fun.

- if you are really shy, after a few drinks you may even open up and have some fun.

- doesnt affect your memory as much as weed does.


well, these are just my thoughts.. take them however you want. i hope it helped in some way
 
Used in moderation (a little bit, every once in awhile, like your first post states) I'd say neither is worse than the other. Alcohol does not kill when use in moderation. When moderately used people dont get piss wasted from alcohol. (They may not be able to drive, but they usually have their heads about them, and a sober friend) Physically, alcohol will load on some extra carbs/calories...weed gives you the munchies...thereby loading extra carbs/calories. Again, used in moderation, neither are all that harmful.

When used excessively I'd say alcohol is worse...by far. I read/hear about people (and have seen 1 person) die from alcohol abuse. Drunk driving, alcohol poisoning, slip and fall accidents, fights, dehydration, asfixiation, liver damage, heart disease, etc. Weed, OTOH, mellows a person out. Burns 'em out. Sure, they're basically not a productive part society, but atleast he/she isn't dead....and that's usually comforting to someone.

I've done both, moderately and excessively. I've experienced the goods and bads of both, and I will continue to use both as well. I pass no judgement on people who use drugs intelligently. (though that may seem like an oxymoron).

Also, people who smoke weed have a higher chance of doing 'harder' drugs such as cocaine, heroin, etc.

I feel this is only because of the process of getting weed. There's a decent chance that he/she who's dealing you dope, also deals, or knows someone who deals, harder drugs. And, if you're a regular/good customer/friend it's easy to be invited into situations you wouldn't normally enter on your own.
 
While I do agree it is hard to compare the two as such... my personal opinion was just made up quite recently.. on March 29th I got hit by a drunk driver, motha-fscker ran a red light at 100+ mph and broadsided us in a protected green turn... I know alcohol can be used responsibly but... There's no way a pothead would've ever done that.
 
I'd like someone to give me one good reason why cigarettes are legal and marijuana is not. I'd like to know when they decided to outlaw it and so forth, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.


It was outlawed late 30's, '38 if my memory serves me right. The main driving force behind outlawing it was because it (hemp) threatended the power and wealth of a few rich guys (dupont's, hearst) in the pulp and paper industry. Hearst started a smear campaign against it....ever heard of the '37 film "Feefer Madness'? 😉
 
you can aquire a physical addiction to alcohol, while you can only aquire a psychological addiction to weed.

I don't understand where people get this idea from.. 😕

That is WRONG!

I am wondering if anybody reads my posts... obviously not... 🙁

I will repeat this a third time on the same page...
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"We know that a substantial number of chronic marijuana users become addicted, and previous research with animals has shown that stopping heavy marijuana use suddenly can cause distinct withdrawal symptoms," said Dr. Alan I. Leshner, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, National Institutes of Health, which supported this research. "This study shows that marijuana use shares common brain changes and mechanisms with other drugs of abuse."

Now, this is a medically published study... if anyone has any medically published study that says otherwise, i would be happy to read it....
 
Originally posted by: Demosthenes
While I do agree it is hard to compare the two as such... my personal opinion was just made up quite recently.. on March 29th I got hit by a drunk driver, motha-fscker ran a red light at 100+ mph and broadsided us in a protected green turn... I know alcohol can be used responsibly but... There's no way a pothead would've ever done that.

I would call that reckless driving and impairment in judgment... and:

Marijuana also impairs judgment and reaction time. Road tests for marijuana intoxication are not routinely done, but a special study in Memphis, Tennessee, showed that one-third of drivers stopped for reckless driving were high on marijuana. Another study revealed that of drivers involved in accidents who were treated at a trauma center, 15 percent had been smoking marijuana.
 
Originally posted by: Millenium
Regulating alcohol? Please. You can drink or drive from your own private home. Alcohol is much more dangerous than pot. I am an addict that did hard drugs for a while. I know what I am talking about. Alcohol should be illegal. Pot shouldn't be. The stuff is way less dangerous than alcohol.

DaveSomher, have you ever done any drugs other than alcohol?

I can hardly agree with that. From a pure medical point of view, pot is a drug, and alcohol isn't. Pot is way more dangerous for one's health b/c it's a drug. A man can be a drunkard and live 60, 70 or even more years and stay sane (but he may need a new liver 😉, who knows, depends on how much or how little he drinks). But a regular pot addict will quite soon start to experience the effects of taking drugs, b/c any drug destroys gray brain cells and eventually makes a person abnormal, and it destroys bodily health much faster than alcohol. And what's funny, it's how some people compare pot to ordinary cigarettes. If someone smokes a cigarette or two he still stays sane and can control himself, but those who smoke pot can't. It's even out of the question that pot is legalized, IMO. It would be absolutely crazy, LOL 😀.
 
you can aquire a physical addiction to alcohol, while you can only aquire a psychological addiction to weed.


Sorry, you are wrong and I can tell you this from experience. Had a friend go into inpatient rehab with me when I was about 15...he was smoking over a 1/4oz/day, and I can definitively tell you he had physical withdrawal symptoms.
 
If someone smokes a cigarette or two he still stays sane and can control himself, but those who smoke pot can't.


Ah, what? Please clarify, you are saying that someone who smokes pot is insane and unable to control themself? Ludicrous.


It's even out of the question that pot is legalized, IMO. It would be absolutely crazy, LOL


LOL, I guess England is "absolutely crazy" then, huh? 😀
 
Originally posted by: Booster


But a regular pot addict will quite soon start to experience the effects of taking drugs, b/c any drug destroys gray brain cells and eventually makes a person abnormal, and it destroys bodily health much faster than alcohol. And what's funny, it's how some people compare pot to ordinary cigarettes. If someone smokes a cigarette or two he still stays sane and can control himself, but those who smoke pot can't. It's even out of the question that pot is legalized, IMO. It would be absolutely crazy, LOL 😀.

Drinking destroys brain cells too. As far as cigarettes and sanity, ever seen a smoker on a nicotine fit 😉

This is an interesting thread, as I've never smoked anything or drank, and I'm not a medical professional. It's interesting to see what everyone has to say.

 
Ah, what? Please clarify, you are saying that someone who smokes pot is insane and unable to control themselves? Ludicrous.

Well, those who smoke pot they do it not just for the heck of it as ordinary smokers, but they actually get a buzz from it. They start to giggle like mad at everything, roll eyes like crazy and display other indications of ecstatic condition. Pot is a drug, and it's very, very bad for one's health, both mental and bodily.
 
Originally posted by: SnapIT
you can aquire a physical addiction to alcohol, while you can only aquire a psychological addiction to weed.

I don't understand where people get this idea from.. 😕

That is WRONG!

I am wondering if anybody reads my posts... obviously not... 🙁

I will repeat this a third time on the same page...
rolleye.gif


"We know that a substantial number of chronic marijuana users become addicted, and previous research with animals has shown that stopping heavy marijuana use suddenly can cause distinct withdrawal symptoms," said Dr. Alan I. Leshner, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, National Institutes of Health, which supported this research. "This study shows that marijuana use shares common brain changes and mechanisms with other drugs of abuse."

Now, this is a medically published study... if anyone has any medically published study that says otherwise, i would be happy to read it....



here's a study--go find ONE person that sucked someone's dick so they could get some marijuana...

 
Originally posted by: Booster
Ah, what? Please clarify, you are saying that someone who smokes pot is insane and unable to control themselves? Ludicrous.

Well, those who smoke pot they do it not just for the heck of it as ordinary smokers, but they actually get a buzz from it. They start to giggle like mad at everything, roll eyes like crazy and display other indications of ecstatic condition. Pot is a drug, and it's very, very bad for one's health, both mental and bodily.




I'm guessing you've never smoked it...
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Many people smoke just enough to relax and not get hardcore "stoned". There are varying levels of being high, just as there are varying levels of being drunk. It takes quite a bit of weed to get someone (usually a noob) to smoke themselves silly.

Pot is a drug, like alchohol, that when used in moderation (sparingly) and responsibly, does very little harm.
 
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: deftron
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt Weed's illegal. I win. Why won't people just pay the hell off this or take it elsewhere? nik
It's a stupid law.. Some more dumb laws (from your homestate, too) It is illegal to whisper "dirty" things in your lover's ear during sex. You may not pump your own gas in service stations. Canned corn is not to be used as bait for fishing. It's against the law for a wedding ceremony to be performed at a skating rink. People may not whistle underwater. Ministers are forbidden from eating garlic or onions before delivering a sermon. One may not box with a kangaroo. It is against the law for animals to have sex in the city limits. No more than two people may share a single drink And guess what.. in Oregon It is only illegal to buy or sell marijuana, but it is legal to smoke it on your own property. :Q

Apart from the fact that almost all of those are bullsh!t, you have a point there. Marajuana is a <EM>federal</EM> crime. Not state-to-state. Oregon is breaking federal law by allowing it for medicinal use, and I hope somebody gets their ass busted some time soon for it too.

nik

why? what are you scared will happen? and how would you and the rest of the country be better off if Oregon is busted?
 
Oregon is breaking federal law by allowing it for medicinal use


Bah, I think its bullsh*t that the federal governement can override a voter-approved referendum. What happened to state's rights? :disgust:
 
Originally posted by: Booster
Ah, what? Please clarify, you are saying that someone who smokes pot is insane and unable to control themselves? Ludicrous.

Well, those who smoke pot they do it not just for the heck of it as ordinary smokers, but they actually get a buzz from it. They start to giggle like mad at everything, roll eyes like crazy and display other indications of ecstatic condition. Pot is a drug, and it's very, very bad for one's health, both mental and bodily.

LMAO! 😀 You must be speaking from personal experience there...
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Originally posted by: Millenium
Regulating alcohol? Please. You can drink or drive from your own private home. Alcohol is much more dangerous than pot. I am an addict that did hard drugs for a while. I know what I am talking about. Alcohol should be illegal. Pot shouldn't be. The stuff is way less dangerous than alcohol.

DaveSomher, have you ever done any drugs other than alcohol?


No
 
Which is worse: Weed or Alcohol?

I never liked weed, it makes you feel even dumber slower, paranoid, and don't have as much control over myself. Also, another probelm with weed (and all illicit drugs) is the varied intoxication levels you can achive depending on source, amount and type. For example, I took one or two hits before and could'nt leave the house I was so outta it and other times I could smoke a whole joint and not get high. I did'nt like dealing with the uncertainty of highness and the other problems so I think weed sucks. And you can't drive when high real well.

Alcohol has a very linear effect depending on consumption which is easy to gauge since it's always the same high. 1-3 beers happy, talkative, loose and helps you get laid while avioding a DUI. Any more than that just gets you into trouble so I never liked it.

I tell my kids the truth about drugs from my experiances emphasising the bad and if they ever take em' better do it at home or I'll bust some ass with my paddle. Because no one can really like doing drugs if they are honest about it. They do them to escape from thier shitty reality, hate themselves or peer pressure. It's impportant to me my kids neve have these feelings.


 
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Which is worse: Weed or Alcohol?

I never liked weed, it makes you feel even dumber slower, paranoid, and don't have as much control over myself. Also, another probelm with weed (and all illicit drugs) is the varied intoxication levels you can achive depending on source, amount and type. For example, I took one or two hits before and could'nt leave the house I was so outta it and other times I could smoke a whole joint and not get high. I did'nt like dealing with the uncertainty of highness and the other problems so I think weed sucks. And you can't drive when high real well.

Carbonyl: The reason for that inconsistency is because since cannabis is currently an illegal substance, there's no standard for purity, so you will see a considerable amount of inconsistency when you take it. If it were legal, and presumably regulated, you would likely be able to consume a known quantity to achieve the desired effect (i.e. a nice buzz without putting yourself completely "out of it")

And you should not be driving AT ALL when you've been smoking it (or eating it). That's as stupid as driving drunk, and potentially as deadly. But that's not an issue with the drug itself, that's simply poor judgement/stupidity on the part of the person drinking/smoking pot.
 
Damn, are you guys still going on about this? 😕

Obviously, alcohol is worse. Anyone arguing otherwise must be in denial or something! The most dangerous thing about pot... IS GETTING BUSTED! :|

"The amount of money and of legal energy being given to prosecute hundreds of thousands of Americans who are caught with a few ounces of marijuana [1 ounce = 28g] in their jeans simply makes no sense - the kindest way to put it. A sterner way to put it is that it is an outrage, an imposition on basic civil liberties and on the reasonable expenditure of social energy." - William F. Buckley

"So long as large sums of money are involved - and they are bound to be if drugs are illegal - it is literally impossible to stop the traffic, or even to make a serious reduction in its scope."

"Our emphasis here is based not only on the growing seriousness of drug-related crimes, but also on the belief that relieving our police and our courts from having to fight losing battles against drugs will enable their energies and facilities to be devoted more fully to combatting other forms of crime. We would thus strike a double blow: reduce crime activity directly, and at the same time increase the efficacy of law enforcement and crime prevention."
- Milton Friedman

Drugs, prohibition and human nature...
 
Moderation is the key...for alcohol use, marijuana use or anything. Thers nothing wrong with going to a bar, smoking a joint, going inside, having a couple nice pints of your favourite beer (bass ale on tap...wow) and socializing with your buddies about women, cars anything. I dont get sh!tfaced out of my head, puke all over, start fights, cause trouble (i would never do that) i get a little buzz but something i can control.

ive smoked marijuana, and drank beer for years (and still do but not as much). Whoever says marijuana is not addicting is lying their ass of or just plan ignorant. I'll tell you how it gets addicting. It isnt physically addicting. Your body does not withdrawl from it. Its not like you cant eat, sleep or do anything if your not high but you can withdrawl from it if you have done it for a long time. Im saying, you smoked everyday for a couple months but you decide to quit. Ill tell you from first person experience its hard to do. You think about weed when your off of it, when theres nothing to do and your bored, you wanna smoke but you cant, you become depressed cause you want weed but you cant get it. Been there, done that, weed is good in moderation but its not good every day, couple times a day. You become lazy, tired, dont wanna do nothing (school work, go out)

This is how it gets addicting. You score some dope with a couple buddies, smoke a couple j's, feeling well, go do some stuff, head home. You might do this once a week or twice a week (it started with me just once every once in a while but escalated) As time goes by, your smoking more, cause well you like the buzz and your doing it every so often. After so long, you start doing it every day cause when your bored and nothing to do theres nothing better than a joint to kill the time and make you feel better. After a while, you start smoking everyday and this is where people start getting lazy and begin a little bit of a downward step. Start spending alot of their money on dope, all they think about is getting high and when, and if they dont get the dope they get pissed a blame the world. Have you ever been with a person who was addicted to weed so bad, if they couldnt get it (dealer was out) they get angry, violent, pissed off at the world. Ive seen it,been there, done that.

I find drinking not addicting at all (myself) i dont go drink beers for a buzz, i drink beers to have something that tastes great and its great for socializing, anyways thats it and have fun but be careful
 
I concur with everything bigshot said about "pot addiction". Doesn't change the FACT that alcohol is WORSE by a mile! One FACT that can't be denied, is that you can't OD on pot. Can't say the same for alcohol. Pot can easily be ingested in ways other than smoking, which takes lung cancer out of the equation. Bah, this is stupid to even argue about, it's so obvious!
 
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