Which GPU for CUDA editing in CS6

[qzyxya]

I have about $200 to spend on a new gpu for my computer. I would get a 7870 or something, but I need nvidia for the cuda acceleration in adobe's CS6 suite (after effects and premiere pro, namely). The two cards I'm considering is a gtx560 ti and a gtx660. I found a 560 ti twin frozr msi for $100 on my local craigslist (seems like a pretty freaking awesome deal to me), and a gtx660 new from newegg for $200. Which would preform better for me? Mind you, this is for computation not gaming.

This blog post (by dslrfilmnoob, a blogger I follow for dslr film making, http://www.dslrfilmnoob.com/2012/09/17/speed-test/) shows that there isnt too much of a difference between the old 285 and a new gtx670, it was like 12 minutes with the 670 and 20 minutes with the 285. My current card is the built in amd one that came with my computer (an old dell xps 7100, phenom x4 830).
How much of an increase would the 660 be over a 560 ti? Or a 650 ti?

And for gaming, I assume the difference would be huge right? Based on the prices which would be better? Thanks

 

[SolMiester]

Fermi has better compute performance than kepler, so the 560 would be the better card

 

[qzyxya]

Fermi has better compute performance than kepler, so the 560 would be the better card

But the kelper has way more cuda cores. Do you have any actual benchmarks that show it, or has anyone used these two cards?
(384 cuda cores in 560 vs the 1344 cores in the 660)

 

[Homeles]

That's an incredibly tired argument.

Each of those cores does less.

 

[qzyxya]

That's an incredibly tired argument.

Each of those cores does less.

Oh, ok so I'd be better off with just getting the gtx560 ti than the 660? Could someone link me to a benchmark or something though? Cause the anandtech gpu compute benchmark says the 660 scores 830 points when the 560 ti only has 670.

 

[Keysplayr]

Fermi has superior Double precision compute power over Kepler. Other than that, Kepler is superior. Go with the 660.

 

[qzyxya]

Fermi has superior Double precision compute power over Kepler. Other than that, Kepler is superior. Go with the 660.

Ok thanks. And which brand should I get of the 660?
Also which ram? I'm looking for some 1333mhz (thats what the motherboard supports only I believe) at 16gb, but idk what brand to buy.

would this be good
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125443

 

[Keysplayr]

Ok thanks. And which brand should I get of the 660?
Also which ram? I'm looking for some 1333mhz (thats what the motherboard supports only I believe) at 16gb, but idk what brand to buy.

would this be good
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125443

That is up to you. I like eVGA. I actually have the eVGA GTX 660 SC. Quiet and powerful. I got this on sale though for 209.00 when they had a sale. Look around for deals.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Couple of things.

Doesn't CS6 support Open CL which would work on AMD and Nvidia GPU's?

Also, you might want to look into CS6 benchmarks because I think even the lowliest GPU gets the same performance as a high end GPU. If you do decide on a 660 it may not perform any better than a 650 or the like.

I would look into it to find out because I thought I read somewhere that you didn't need a ton of GPU power to get the most out of Adobe Creative Suite.

 

[qzyxya]

Couple of things.

Doesn't CS6 support Open CL which would work on AMD and Nvidia GPU's?

Also, you might want to look into CS6 benchmarks because I think even the lowliest GPU gets the same performance as a high end GPU. If you do decide on a 660 it may not perform any better than a 650 or the like.

I would look into it to find out because I thought I read somewhere that you didn't need a ton of GPU power to get the most out of Adobe Creative Suite.

Really? Then maybe I should just go for a gtx650 ti or something. Actually, would a550 ti be better, since the 500 series were better for computing, right? I'd rather not spend $200 on a 660, I really dont need the best graphics ever (playing games at 1080p on medium would be fine)

 

[AnandThenMan]

Doesn't CS6 support Open CL which would work on AMD and Nvidia GPU's?

The short answer to this is, basically Adobe did not have enough time to complete the transition from CUDA to OpenCL. So some things are still CUDA accelerated, although not many. More info here.

 

[qzyxya]

Really? Then maybe I should just go for a gtx650 ti or something. Actually, would a550 ti be better, since the 500 series were better for computing, right? I'd rather not spend $200 on a 660, I really dont need the best graphics ever (playing games at 1080p on medium would be fine)

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[gorobei]

The short answer to this is, basically Adobe did not have enough time to complete the transition from CUDA to OpenCL. So some things are still CUDA accelerated, although not many. More info here.

these appear to be the only things cuda can do that openCL cant:
* Fast Blur effect
* Gaussian Blur effect
* Directional Blur effect
* Basic 3D effect

also you will have to edit/mod files to make the cuda acceleration work with the 670/660/650/610.

 

[AnandThenMan]

also you will have to edit/mod files to make the cuda acceleration work with the 670/660/650/610.

Does that work raytracing? Last time I looked those cards were not in the Adobe system requirements list. The raytracing rendering engine does require CUDA, but I am not sure what cards it will work on. It will use more than one card though so if you have an SLI setup you will benefit, which is cool.

 

[gorobei]

Does that work raytracing? Last time I looked those cards were not in the Adobe system requirements list. The raytracing rendering engine does require CUDA, but I am not sure what cards it will work on. It will use more than one card though so if you have an SLI setup you will benefit, which is cool.

dont know about raytracing, the cards arent on the adobe certified list so the premiere wont use the cuda acceleration but if you mod a file you can tell it to use cuda. this allows you to use the uncertified cards with premiere and get 95% of the performance of the 680 on specific operations.

 

[Keysplayr]

Couple of things.

Doesn't CS6 support Open CL which would work on AMD and Nvidia GPU's?

Also, you might want to look into CS6 benchmarks because I think even the lowliest GPU gets the same performance as a high end GPU. If you do decide on a 660 it may not perform any better than a 650 or the like.

I would look into it to find out because I thought I read somewhere that you didn't need a ton of GPU power to get the most out of Adobe Creative Suite.

Yes. One difference. CUDA can perform all the functions of OpenCL, plus 4 more functions (I think. I have to look it up again) that OpenCL cant and will run on CPU. AFAIK.
EDIT: I see somebody already posted this above.

 

[qzyxya]

dont know about raytracing, the cards arent on the adobe certified list so the premiere wont use the cuda acceleration but if you mod a file you can tell it to use cuda. this allows you to use the uncertified cards with premiere and get 95% of the performance of the 680 on specific operations.

So you're saying that I could just get like a $50 piece of crap that has cuda acceleration and it would be nearly as fast as a 680 or any other one. Then is it not worth it to get the gtx660?
Hell, then it might be better to sli 2 of those crappy ones (not that my mobo supports that, but in theory)

 

[gorobei]

So you're saying that I could just get like a $50 piece of crap that has cuda acceleration and it would be nearly as fast as a 680 or any other one. Then is it not worth it to get the gtx660?
Hell, then it might be better to sli 2 of those crappy ones (not that my mobo supports that, but in theory)

the 650 is only a few percentage points difference off of the 680. so $100 piece of crap i guess. the performance gain for stepping up to a 660 non ti would be double the price for 2% gain, so if you are only going to use it for work purposes the upgrade isnt worth it.

but unless you are predominantly using the 4 cuda functions i listed in post#13, there wont be any gain in performance or reduction in render time by using a geforce. but as i said before i dont know how that affects the raytrace function.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Without the accelerated raytracer, there is little reason to want or need a CUDA capable card. Which is why I am wondering if the mod does indeed enable GPU raytrace renderer. I don't see why not, was just wondering.

qzyxya what type of projects are you going to be using After Effects and Premiere for?

 

[qzyxya]

Without the accelerated raytracer, there is little reason to want or need a CUDA capable card. Which is why I am wondering if the mod does indeed enable GPU raytrace renderer. I don't see why not, was just wondering.

qzyxya what type of projects are you going to be using After Effects and Premiere for?

Hmm well mostly just work in premiere and being able to scrub through( with the mpe) with color correction (mb looks/colorista) and in ae I'll be doing some cc for individual clips, some 3d tracking/camera tracking, and some particular and different plug ins stuff. I probably wont use the ray tracer much

The person 2 posts above me, where did you get that number, the 2% increase? Is ther an article or something that says this? I'd love to see it

 

[qzyxya]

Also, my psu
http://s20.postimage.org/9uedevk9o/IMG_2039.jpg

 

[qzyxya]

the 650 is only a few percentage points difference off of the 680. so $100 piece of crap i guess. the performance gain for stepping up to a 660 non ti would be double the price for 2% gain, so if you are only going to use it for work purposes the upgrade isnt worth it.

but unless you are predominantly using the 4 cuda functions i listed in post#13, there wont be any gain in performance or reduction in render time by using a geforce. but as i said before i dont know how that affects the raytrace function.

Wait, so I could just get an amd card and use that? I dont think the mercury playback engine, or any gpu acceleration works with amd's opencl yet. Except for macbook pros, that is.

 

[qzyxya]

the label on my psu

 

[gorobei]

http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CS6-GPU-Acceleration-162

its 3 months old but i dont think there have been any driver or adobe updates that would change any of the results.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Going by your workflow, you can buy whatever card you think is a good value and your experience in CS6 will be about the same.