Which 19" LCD do you recommend?

MrPabulum

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Hey all,

So I'm about to upgrade my 17' LCD (Viewsonic VP171B) and wanted to know which of the above do you recommend. So far, I've heard many good things about the Dell 2005FPW, and the new version of the VP191B is an 8-bit panel that received lots of praise. Is the Dell an 8-bit panel, b/c that would probably seal the deal.

Thoughts? :)
 

mcmikemc

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I am also going to be buying a new 19" LCD very soon. I need something that is good for gaming since that is what I mainly use my PC for.

I currently have my eye on a ViewSonic VX924.
 

bjc112

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2005fp.. Hands down..

1. It's a 20" display
2. Higher resolution 1680x1050
3. It's widescreen
4. More inputs than most.
5. It rotates.
6. About the same price, for a superior panel.

 

mcmikemc

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I was also checking out the L90d but the VX924 is 5ms compared to 8ms for the L90d. Since gaming is the most important aspect I am considering I thought the VX924 would be the better choice.
 

fierydemise

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Originally posted by: mcmikemc
I was also checking out the L90d but the VX924 is 5ms compared to 8ms for the L90d. Since gaming is the most important aspect I am considering I thought the VX924 would be the better choice.

Just so you know THG didn't have good things to say about the VX924, the crazy voltage used to get the 5ms response time causes an interesting issue, the panel does hit the correct color after 5ms but then overshoots abd bounces over and under the correct color for 31ms causing a funny sparkle effect.
 

VIAN

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I was also checking out the L90d but the VX924 is 5ms compared to 8ms for the L90d. Since gaming is the most important aspect I am considering I thought the VX924 would be the better choice.
Don't fall to the "Marketing" Side.

It's BS, the L90D is proven to work well unlike this 5ms crap, unless you can find a review that directly compares them.

Just so you know THG didn't have good things to say about the VX924, the crazy voltage used to get the 5ms response time causes an interesting issue, the panel does hit the correct color after 5ms but then overshoots abd bounces over and under the correct color for 31ms causing a funny sparkle effect.
Oh, that's that POS Overdrive crap that it's supposed 4ms turned out to be 31ms.

2005fp.. Hands down..

1. It's a 20" display
2. Higher resolution 1680x1050
3. It's widescreen
4. More inputs than most.
5. It rotates.
6. About the same price, for a superior panel.
When it comes to Image Quality, verticle resolution is what matters and a flimsy 26 lines over 17-19" monitors isn't exactly amazing. Widescreen is though.
 

bcoupland

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Samsung 193P+. 8-bit PVA panel, 8ms response time. The only place i've seen them is at Future Shop.
 

Nek802

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I would go with VP191B, THG's review showed it never went above 15ms... so it's one of the few monitors that is true of it's ms spec
unlike other monitors that say Xms, but really it's Yms
 

MrPabulum

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Must be a revision to the Samsung 193P...the older one had a slower response time...the Dell looks awful tempting, but the Viewsonic VP191B carries a nice price tag ;)
 

Spacecomber

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Tom's Hardware has reviews of both of these new "overdrive" Viewsonic monitors (the VP191 and the VX924) which you definitely should take a look at if you are considering them.

The Dell uses an IPS panel, which has pretty good all around characteristics. Since you are interested in using it for games, IPS panels tend to have a fairly level profile as far as response times goes when you look at transitions other than just black to white. So while this panel might be specified as 16ms (black to white), it probably does as well as a 12ms TN panel on the grey to grey transitions. (I'd like to see Tom's or Xbit Labs actually do a review of one of these LG Philips 16ms IPS panels so we would have some actual numbers to use for comparison.)

Keep in mind that with the Dell you'll need a game rig that can maintain decent framerates at that 1680x1050 resolution. As I'm sure you know, LCDs don't always look that good at their non-native resolutions (unless you run them in a kind of letter box). And, of course, your games need to support that resolution, too.

The 8ms 193P is usually designated as the 193P+ or 193P plus. I've seen no reviews of it, but I wonder if it might not be using overdrive circuitry, like the Viewsonic monitors.

Space
 

Sandinista

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I've got a 930b and it's been fantastic for me. Beats the hell out of the 19-inch CRT I upgraded from.

$308 after rebate...hard to beat that when you're on a college student's budget ;)
 

shredman

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FWIW, here is my quick review of the 930b and vp191b. I bought both of these monitors and had them running side by side on my desk with the same images (using nvidia dualview). My last monitor was an NEC FE991sb CRT so I was pretty adament about not having any ghosting and having accurate colors - I've stayed away from LCDs due to their lack of gaming suitability in the past....

No Ghosting---or sparkling noticed by me.....
There was no ghosting on either monitor for all kinds of fast paced games. I tested them with Painkiller, Call of Duty, Doom 3 and more and neither had any noticeable (to me) ghosting. I also did not see any sparkling on surfaces that were noted in a couple of reviews-but I don't really watch movies on my computer so it's not a factor for me...as far as in games, there has been zero sparkling or ghosting on either monitor.

Samsung 930b
+very vivid colors - not sure why but reds and deep blues seemed richer than the 191b - almost to the point of looking too vivid and slightly "crayola-ish" - this looked nice but I'm not sure it was accurate color reproduction
-unable to display some colors on the spectrum while the vp191b displayed the full spectrum very well
-dark areas in games had a "purple hue" and details in the shadows were not visible (this was the biggest deciding factor for me against this monitor since the purplish colors where the blacks were supposed to be completely ruined the immersiveness for me.)
-desktop text was not as clear as the 191b and the edges of the text had color bleeding
-only physical adjustment was fore and aft pivot
-does not include dvi cable in box
+excellent interface for monitor adjustments including many presets for different activities (ie...internet use, gaming, videos...very handy)
+zero dead pixels
+$349 after rebate at a local store

vp191b (rev. 3.0 8ms)
+color seemed less vivid and rich compared to the 930b - but the colors did seem more accurately displayed than the 930b which was unable to display some colors at the ends of the spectrum
+dark areas in games were flawless and looked black, details were present in dark areas as well (this was the biggest factor for me personally)
+text is sharp and free of colors on the fringes
+excellent ability to raise, tilt, pivot and rotate to portrait mode
-interface for monitor adjustment does not have number scale so you have to guess on the settings...which kind of sucks but once adjusted is not an issue
-1 dead pixel on bottom left corner
-$429 + $10 shipping from online retailer

Both are really nice monitors, but for me, the viewsonic looked much better in games due to more accurate blacks and details in the shadows. Text on the desktop also looked much better. I'm not sure I will ever use the physical adjustments on the viewsonic, but it's nice to know they are there- including both analog and digital cables was also a nice touch. Since I bought the viewsonic online, I couldn't preview it to make sure there were no dead pixels...looks like Im stuck with the one dead pixel, but I don't even notice it at all unless I put my face next to the screen to look for it.

winner: viewsonic vp191b - compared side by side with the 930b it was the clear winner

Tom's Hardware seems to agree with my findings:
Comparing the VP191b to VX924 (supposed 4ms) Viewsonic VX924 review
Viewsonic Overdrive (VP191b) Review


p.s. any viewsonic vp191b owners out there have any advice for the best contrast/brightness settings? Currently I'm using about 75% contrast and 55% brightness (damn you viewsonic for not putting a numbered scale on the adjustments!!!!)
 

Icepick

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Shredman, BeHardware.com agrees with you too. They published a 19" LCD roundup last month and the VP191b was their favorite all around LCD and was rated the best for fps gaming.
 
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Arite.

The question is WHERE can I get a VP191b. Newegg and their 8 dead pixel policy is so BS. That's like getting a burned CPU basically and saying you can't return it.....
 

CraigRT

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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Arite.

The question is WHERE can I get a VP191b. Newegg and their 8 dead pixel policy is so BS. That's like getting a burned CPU basically and saying you can't return it.....

pricewatch.com
 

Flashram

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I went with the 930B since I mainly use my desktop for gaming (I use my WSXGA laptop to do any work). The Dell is nice, but most games either don't support 1680x1050 or run like crap at that resolution w/ high details. Scaling down makes the image look fuzzy. The 930B lets me play everything at native 1280x1024 and looks great.
 
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I've given up. I cant afford a VP191b as much as I would like one. I will be buying the 930B (once it goes on sale) (again, because I'm returning this expensive junk) only because my budget does not make room for a 191b