Which 1500 truck to buy and why?

[slag]

By 1500 you mean a full size half ton?

The only 2 full size I like are GM (Chevy and GMC) and Ford. I prefer Chevy/GMC over ford, but the NEW fords are good as well. The older fords, esp the 5.4L, were below average IMO longterm.

If looking mid-size then the Canyon/Colorado are my fav, esp 2007 or newwer. The 2005+ Ford rangers are a good small truck, just don;t get the 3.0L v6.

How much weight are you looking to tow?

I have an older 5.4 liter ford. 1997 to be exact, first year. Works great for me. Somewhat underpowered, good torque though. Mileage is horrendous, but what do you expect from a full size V8 4wd truck? Zero spark plug issues, the only real issue I've had is a couple coil replacements. I have 160k on the truck and it was a work truck before I got it. Goes anywhere in the snow/mud and seats 5 comfortably, 6 if I put the armrest up.

 

[spaceman]

Nice try. I see contractors all over town driving regular or double cab Tundras (only the new body style though). Mostly roofing guys, but also electricians, plumbers, landscapers etc.

Rare as unicorns? Lol, maybe in hillbilly country where they're stuck in the 50's or something.

last i checked Massachusetts aint hillbilly country
ill guess maybe 1 out of every 30 pickups i see are tundras
vast majority being gms/fords followed by dodge for fullsize
sales figures tell a similar tale
maybe u live in tundraland
great

 

[spaceman]

🙄 He's not using it for a work truck genius, he's using it as a pavement queen poser truck...or didn't you read the original post? And I see tons of Toyota trucks used as work trucks around here. I still see many many T100's on the road as work trucks.

The only thing rare as a unicorn is your common sense.

define tons
what does that even mean?
"tons"
a clear majority?
a significant minority
gimme figures
a and stop talkingout yer ass

 

[spaceman]

Not surprising, there's a lot of domestic dick sucking in the flyover states. I've heard stories of owners of foreign cars/trucks getting keyed in states like Michigan simply because they didn't buy American...🙄

jules fuck yer california elitism
i live in massafucking chusetts
and here more i see far more domestic fullsize trucks than tundras
i aint making this shit up.
but i have a feeling u are
oh and fuck california too

 

[slag]

They kinda do. Its is a 2 peice design and sometimes it blows out and takes the head threads with it, sometimes it just blows out the center part and you can use the special tool to fix, etc...


Its a mess and many places will not do plugs on a 5.4L due to so many needing the heads pulled after one or more break or strip badly.
After you get them out champion is the only one I know that makes a 1 peice plug for that motor. Ford/Autolite make the POS 2 peice plugs.

I'm using a single piece motorcraft plug in the truck now with no issues in the past 3, maybe 4 years. Ford went back to the one piece design in 2007.

 

[Texashiker]

ill guess maybe 1 out of every 30 pickups i see are tundras
vast majority being gms/fords followed by dodge for fullsize

And?

Chances are the people buying the fords, dodges and chevys are older, raised in the 60s, 70s, or 80s, back when "Buy American" meant you got a made in USA product.

I do not care what john doe down the street buys. As far as I know, he is an idiot that dropped out of school and buys ford because his daddy owned a ford.

There is no reason for blind brand name loyalty. Toyota makes a quality product, and at a price that beats ford, dodge and chevy.

 

[spaceman]

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/01/the-ultimate-guide-to-us-pickup-truck-sales-in-2010.html


take a look for yourself you deluded yota sheepfuckers

 

[hanoverphist]

Dodge didn't build a competitive truck until 09. I was with ford from 96-03, and with chevy/gmc from 04-08. We would have 2-3 customers a month who had just bought a new dodge but were tired of getting beaten up on their drive to work. That's why dodge worked so hard on the redesign in 09, but it takes a few years to live down that sort of reputation.

Dodges don't seem to hold up long term as well. Trans issues, motor problems, etc...

i must have gotten the pick of the litter then. i have a 2001 ram 1500 2wd and its been fantastic. ive owned it for about 5 years, put over 145k miles on it and havent had any major issues with it at all. the worst was my own fault for not taking care of a power steering pump hose, that led to the pump going out, that led to the steering box main seal failing, that led to the pitman arm pretty much welding itself onto the gear shaft. that was all my own fault tho hehe. the engine is still running strong with over 225k miles on it, the interior is still nice as well. except for the crappy dash. the manual transmission is great, and the clutch has been in there for the past 130k miles as well. it will tow a trailer well, and ive loaded my friends F150 on our flatbed when it broke down up north and brought it back for him. i see way less dodges come through my friends shop for service than i do the fords, toymotors and chevys.

at my work, the managers drive f150s, but the real workers all have chevy 3500 service body trucks. we used to have f250 for the field guys but found we were doing too many repairs and whatnot, so we switched to chevy/ gmc 3/4 ton. over time we have invested in 3500 service body. we still have 3 of the old 98/99 3/4t pickups running, they are work horses for sure.

 

[spaceman]

And?

Chances are the people buying the fords, dodges and chevys are older, raised in the 60s, 70s, or 80s, back when "Buy American" meant you got a made in USA product.

I do not care what john doe down the street buys. As far as I know, he is an idiot that dropped out of school and buys ford because his daddy owned a ford.

There is no reason for blind brand name loyalty. Toyota makes a quality product, and at a price that beats ford, dodge and chevy.

i bought a tacoma and it was the biggest peice of shit i ever owned
EVER
6 times in for warranty work
i sold that garbage with less than 30k on it.
rust was breaking out of the seams everywhere.i8 dont want to go thru the litany again
my friends tundra u can poke thrui the fucking bumper with a stick
that thing is so rotten it might as well be chained to the titanic
same with my other friends 07 tacoma.rusty flexi cheap metal sardine can piece of shit.
up here we have rust and the 1st truck to fucking go are always the yotas
ill never buy another
the best day of life is when i got rid of it.
maybe in the middle of the fucking desert wherever in texas u live its different,fine
but thats how it is here

 

[JulesMaximus]

define tons
what does that even mean?
"tons"
a clear majority?
a significant minority
gimme figures
a and stop talkingout yer ass

😕 Why are you such a dickhole? I made a recommendation to the OP and you attacked me for it. Why are you taking this so personally?

Tons=a lot

I didn't count them you illiterate whackjob. I do see many Toyota trucks being used as work trucks though...at least as many as I see domestic trucks being driven by guys wearing button down shirts and ties (actually, I probably see more of the latter than of the former).

 

[Texashiker]

rust was breaking out of the seams everywhere.i8 dont want to go thru the litany again
my friends tundra u can poke thrui the fucking bumper with a stick
that thing is so rotten it might as well be chained to the titanic

Do you live close to the ocean?

Your supposed to wash your truck with fresh water, not salt water.

My T-100 gets a bath every 3 or 4 months, and has no rust on it. I washed the winter mud off of it 2 weeks ago.

 

[spaceman]

just come up here
look at any garden variety 5 yo tundra
and then look at a domestic
shit theirs domestic up here 25 YEARS old that are in better shape?

 

[spaceman]

im not a domestic fanboy cept when its to trucks
i bought the lie that the tacoma was some superior fucking being from anothe planet
turns out its load of advert horse hockey
dig deeper and youll find plenty of propel bitching about these.
yeah my friends got some yard trucks 22r,22re.
but that was then..and they still rusted.

 

[JulesMaximus]

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/01/the-ultimate-guide-to-us-pickup-truck-sales-in-2010.html


take a look for yourself you deluded yota sheepfuckers

So, your point is that the big 3 sell more fullsize trucks than any other maker? 😕

 

[Texashiker]

So, your point is that the big 3 sell more fullsize trucks than any other maker? 😕

I think he is trying to say that you should go with the flow and not think for yourself. That if tom, dick and harry are buying a ford, then you should to.

Personally, I look at total cost of ownership. How many repairs will that gm, ford or dodge need as compared to Toyota.

In the past year, my wifes chevy Tahoe has cost us a lot more in trivial repairs then my T-100.

 

[phreaqe]

I think he is trying to say that you should go with the flow and not think for yourself. That if tom, dick and harry are buying a ford, then you should to.

Personally, I look at total cost of ownership. How many repairs will that gm, ford or dodge need as compared to Toyota.

In the past year, my wifes chevy Tahoe has cost us a lot more in trivial repairs then my T-100.

do you have any stats that say your toyota truck will be more reliable? i have looked(only for like 5 minutes) and it seems that without a paid consumer reports subscription i cant find any reliability numbers for trucks. based on everything i have read toyota trucks are not renowned for reliability like the cars are....

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

They're all going to get pretty bad gas mileage and none of them really stands out above the others. Dodge is probably the worst when it comes to mileage though.

Tundra is the Lexus of pickups. Really nice trucks. They are pricey though.

The Tundra is a piece of shit. Even Toyota admits it by putting TuRD on the side of some of them.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Do you live close to the ocean?

Your supposed to wash your truck with fresh water, not salt water.

My T-100 gets a bath every 3 or 4 months, and has no rust on it. I washed the winter mud off of it 2 weeks ago.

95-00 Tacomas where bought back in huge quanities because of rust isues, mainly frames rusting in half. Then it was expanded to 01-04 tacomas. Then the 1st gen of Tundra had the problem. Even some 2nd gens where showing signs of excessive rust. There were even spare tires breaking free from Tundras while driving down the road. Toyota stopped paying above book value to get trucks back and started replacing frames. That's a lot of work.

I won't even go into all the issues the newest gen of Tundra had when it came out.

The domestics just know how to make a better truck. And when my 2wd Chevy has to pull a 4x4 Tundra out of a ditch, you know the Tundra is a complete pile of crap.

 

[Texashiker]

do you have any stats that say your toyota truck will be more reliable?

Only my own personal experience from 1984 - present with chevy/gm, dodge, ford and toyota.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I think he is trying to say that you should go with the flow and not think for yourself. That if tom, dick and harry are buying a ford, then you should to.

Personally, I look at total cost of ownership. How many repairs will that gm, ford or dodge need as compared to Toyota.

In the past year, my wifes chevy Tahoe has cost us a lot more in trivial repairs then my T-100.

My neighbor can't even park his Tahoe in his own driveway because it leaks oil all over the place. He bought it new about 5-6 years ago and the dealer can't seem to fix it.

 

[phreaqe]

Only my own personal experience from 1984 - present with chevy/gm, dodge, ford and toyota.

ok. i am genuinely curious as to the stats so maybe if i have more time later when i get home i will do some searching to satisfy my curiosity.

 

[Vette73]

I'm using a single piece motorcraft plug in the truck now with no issues in the past 3, maybe 4 years. Ford went back to the one piece design in 2007.

You sure? The pic's at rockauto show the motorcraft the same as the autolite for the 04+ 5.4L's.

I have an older 5.4 liter ford. 1997 to be exact, first year. Works great for me. Somewhat underpowered, good torque though. Mileage is horrendous, but what do you expect from a full size V8 4wd truck? Zero spark plug issues, the only real issue I've had is a couple coil replacements. I have 160k on the truck and it was a work truck before I got it. Goes anywhere in the snow/mud and seats 5 comfortably, 6 if I put the armrest up.

97 is the old design. The 2004 and up use the newwer head and had spark plug/Head problems.

 

[Texashiker]

ok. i am genuinely curious as to the stats

1978 jeep cj-5 with 258 straight 6 - oil filter is in a bad location, if the motor twist too much, the oil filter hits the frame and pokes a hole in the filter. You have to use low profile filters. Wheel bearings kept going out. Rear axle broke inside housing.

1978 chevy 1/2 ton stepside 4X4 - good truck, solid transfer case. Probably one of the best trucks I ever owned. Timing jumped, never took the time to fix it, traded truck off to buddy.

1982 chevy chevete - replaced starter around 3 times, brake light switch went out and had problems with the drivers side window staying glued to the bars so the window could go up and down. One day it just stopped running. Never could figure out what happened, sold for scrap iron.

1984 chevy chevete - finally sold that car for about $250, all kinds of little problems.

1984 ford escort - motor went out.

1992 jeep grand cherokee - motor developed metal shavings in the oil. Traded off.

1992 GMC sierra - all kinds of problems listed previously in thread. Fuel filter did not make it to 9,000 miles, glove box door broke, AC line came loose, rattle in heat shield on motor, lifters started tapping, traded off after about 3 years.

1997 GMC sierra - motor locked up at around 50,000 miles, brake rotors had to be replaced several times,,,, other little issues.

1996 Toyota T-100 - 290,000 miles, oil leak, radiator made by GM had to be replaced, AC stopped working, various little parts over the years. I have had this truck for 10 years.

1997 Jeep grand cherokee - computer started going out every 14 - 18 months at a cost of around $800 each. Steering stabilizer went out, made the jeep jump around uncontrollably at high speeds. The Steering stabilizer made the jeep feel like it was going to flip over - very scary situation. This jeep was in and out of the shop for almost 4 months. The local dodge dealer could not figure out what was making the computers go out so often.

1998 chevy tahoe - various parts have gone out in the past 2 years: radiator split open, water pump had to be replaced, 1 door hinge broke other about to break, door handle on side of door broke on drivers side, rear door seals leak when we get heavy rain, wire broke under dash, blinker light housings on both back lights had to be replaced.

1999 S10 - good truck, no problems to mention. Ex-wife got it int he divorce.

If I had to pick 2 trucks, it would be the Toyota T-100 and the 78 chevy.

My dad has owned 2 dodge 3/4 ton trucks in the past 5 years, he has reported no problems with either.

My brother and nephew both own new dodge trucks - no problems with either.

 

[Saga]

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/01/the-ultimate-guide-to-us-pickup-truck-sales-in-2010.html


take a look for yourself you deluded yota sheepfuckers

It's totally beyond me why all of these comparisons put GMC and Chevy in different areas on their graphs.. they're both GM.

 

[dainthomas]

The domestics just know how to make a better truck. And when my 2wd Chevy has to pull a 4x4 Tundra out of a ditch, you know the Tundra is a complete pile of crap.

Haha, that solid scientific evidence is all we need.

I had an S10 eleven years ago that I bought brand new off the lot and it had ALL KINDS of issues, even within the first 10k miles. First the heat went out, then wipers stopped working, then the headlights wouldn't turn on, then a master cylinder went out. In the winter the whole thing creaked and squeaked like nobodies business. I was thrilled to get rid of that thing while it was still under warranty.

From my example, I can only conclude that all Chevy trucks are complete garbage.