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Whey questions

Rakewell

Rakewell

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Greetings,

I'm looking to increase bulk (as well as lose some fat).

1.) Can some recommend a WHEY shake solution that's worked well for them?

2.) When to consume? Before or after?

3.) I have rheumatoid arthritis, to boot. Is there anything I can drink or take while working out to help limit joint swelling?

Thanks gang-

Rakewell
 
I take Optium Nutrition 100% gold standard whey. It taste great and is rather cheap. I take two scoops in the morning but I also take two scoops right after I get home from the gym.

Orange Triad is a multi vitamin that I also take and it claims to help with joints. Not sure how true it is though.
 
Have you consulted with your rheumatologist about lifting weights and bulking? I don't think this is the best idea for you, unless you plan on doing a high rep, low weight program and taking it slow. In addition, keep in mind that increased body weight does put an increased load on each and every one of your weightbearing joints. That could irritate the synovium more and result in more frequent or worsening flare ups.
 
I've gained a fair amount of muscle in the past year from lifting. It's perfectly healthy and acceptable to lift heavy with RA. And beneficial.

I've already put on decent amount muscle, and the strength has helped tremendously.
 
Rakewell said:
I've gained a fair amount of muscle in the past year from lifting. It's perfectly healthy and acceptable to lift heavy with RA. And beneficial.

I've already put on decent amount muscle, and the strength has helped tremendously.
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Lifting with lighter weights and higher reps such that excess load doesn't induce a inflammatory (and immune) reaction has been shown in research to be very beneficial. However, lifting with heavier weights and low reps is typically frowned upon, due to the nature of the disease. It's repeatedly suggested in literature that light, low impact exercise is the way to go. That can include resistance training, but nothing high intensity. I'm a physical therapy student so I've studied RA extensively clinically. It's typically not something to do, as it will affect your long term wellness.

Also, I don't know if you answered my question. Have you spoken with your physician about this? Have you detailed the weights and reps of the program? I don't know any physician that would get behind a bodybuilding-like or serious linear strength-training program for someone with RA.

Acknowledging this is just WedMD and not a primary literature source, this website (http://www.webmd.com/rheumatoid-arthritis/guide/exercise-and-rheumatoid-arthritis) confirms that heavy lifting is typically discouraged. That's what most of the research I've read says. That's why I was asking if you had consulted with your physician. It's fairly important just to ensure that you don't have worse problems later in life.
 
In order to contribute to your original question though, I second the suggestion of Optimum Nutrition 100% gold standard. It's a little bit more expensive, but it tastes good and some independent research has shown that it has the lowest (if not untraceable) amounts of heavy metals in them (compared to other brands which have things like lead, antimony, etc).
 
Sixguns said:
I take Optium Nutrition 100% gold standard whey. It taste great and is rather cheap. I take two scoops in the morning but I also take two scoops right after I get home from the gym.

Orange Triad is a multi vitamin that I also take and it claims to help with joints. Not sure how true it is though.
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😕

I love ON and I have ~16 lbs of it that I stocked up on. It's a great whey and is many things, but "rather cheap" is not one of them. You get what you pay for and ON is quality.
 
I'll throw me tuppence in and recommend avoiding anything pre-flavoured/sweetened. It can always be added but cannot be removed.
 
I'm rather fond of truenutrition.com for my whey and creatine needs.

Sixguns, you're taking 4 scoops of whey a day?! that's a ton of extra protein.
 
SociallyChallenged said:
Lifting with lighter weights and higher reps such that excess load doesn't induce a inflammatory (and immune) reaction has been shown in research to be very beneficial. However, lifting with heavier weights and low reps is typically frowned upon, due to the nature of the disease. It's repeatedly suggested in literature that light, low impact exercise is the way to go. That can include resistance training, but nothing high intensity. I'm a physical therapy student so I've studied RA extensively clinically. It's typically not something to do, as it will affect your long term wellness.

Also, I don't know if you answered my question. Have you spoken with your physician about this? Have you detailed the weights and reps of the program? I don't know any physician that would get behind a bodybuilding-like or serious linear strength-training program for someone with RA.

Acknowledging this is just WedMD and not a primary literature source, this website (http://www.webmd.com/rheumatoid-arthritis/guide/exercise-and-rheumatoid-arthritis) confirms that heavy lifting is typically discouraged. That's what most of the research I've read says. That's why I was asking if you had consulted with your physician. It's fairly important just to ensure that you don't have worse problems later in life.
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I've spoken with my rheumatologist about this, and she's behind me doing it 100%.

Typically, RA is diagnosed in women. Being a man is why my doctor encourages it. I've actually never met a man who's had it. Women have a tougher time, she's said, because they're typically just starting out when they lift.

I'm not just starting out, here; I've been lifting heavy (but smart) since my diagnosis in 2005, and I can honestly say that the benefits have WAY outweighed (literally) the costs.

I feel worse when I don't lift... and low weight/high reps does shit for me.

I feel better overall; And for 60-90 minutes after I lift, I have absolutely no pain in my body. It's pretty great.
 
Pantlegz said:
I'm rather fond of truenutrition.com for my whey and creatine needs.

Sixguns, you're taking 4 scoops of whey a day?! that's a ton of extra protein.
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4 a day sounds a bit much. A few times I do AM to skip breakfast but I'd rather eat my calories and protein but the convenience of a whey shake is too good to pass.

I use ON Gold, leaps better than the brand I got at Costco.
 
I also settled on Optimum Nutrition gold standard after trying a few brands. I mix it with just 2% or whole milk in a shaker cup.
 
Rakewell said:
I've spoken with my rheumatologist about this, and she's behind me doing it 100%.

Typically, RA is diagnosed in women. Being a man is why my doctor encourages it. I've actually never met a man who's had it. Women have a tougher time, she's said, because they're typically just starting out when they lift.

I'm not just starting out, here; I've been lifting heavy (but smart) since my diagnosis in 2005, and I can honestly say that the benefits have WAY outweighed (literally) the costs.

I feel worse when I don't lift... and low weight/high reps does shit for me.

I feel better overall; And for 60-90 minutes after I lift, I have absolutely no pain in my body. It's pretty great.
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There you go. It's interesting to hear the viewpoint from a male's standpoint. Like you say, women are mostly affected, which is the main RA population I've worked with. I just wanted to make sure that you weren't one of those people going out on a limb because they read something on the internet. I've had people with MS do a heavy running program because they heard it was good for them 😱 Sometimes, people don't do the smartest things. I just wanted to make sure you had consulted your physician. Good on you and keep doin' what you're doin'.
 
2 in the morning are apart of a smoothie. But I also weigh over 200lbs and I am trying to bulk. They say 1g per 1lb right?
 
Sixguns said:
2 in the morning are apart of a smoothie. But I also weigh over 200lbs and I am trying to bulk. They say 1g per 1lb right?
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Yeah I sometimes take four. I've got TMJ though so I hate chewing food. I had my first "broccoli and chicken" shake today. Lol.
 
Sixguns said:
2 in the morning are apart of a smoothie. But I also weigh over 200lbs and I am trying to bulk. They say 1g per 1lb right?
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1g per 1lb of lean mass is pretty typical, I'm also well above 200lbs and I'll take a few scoops a day depending on what I'm doing. On days I lift I'll do 2 post workout and sometimes 1 pre-workout depending on what I eat. On BJJ days I'll do 1 scoop before and maybe 1 after, depending on how much I don't feel like cooking after the fact. I also get a good amount of protein from food so I don't need a whole lot extra. I probably average greater than 1g/lb on any given day.
 
Pantlegz said:
1g per 1lb of lean mass is pretty typical, I'm also well above 200lbs and I'll take a few scoops a day depending on what I'm doing. On days I lift I'll do 2 post workout and sometimes 1 pre-workout depending on what I eat. On BJJ days I'll do 1 scoop before and maybe 1 after, depending on how much I don't feel like cooking after the fact. I also get a good amount of protein from food so I don't need a whole lot extra. I probably average greater than 1g/lb on any given day.
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Ill have two everyday with my breakfast. Well, everyday that I have my smoothie which is at least 5-6 times a week. I will have the other two after I lift so only 4 times a week as my post workout.
 
I generally take 2 scoops of Now Foods Whey Isolate mixed with 10oz of orange gatorade (about the only liquid that allows me to tolerate the taste - I'm a very picky eater) after workout.
 
SociallyChallenged said:
There you go. It's interesting to hear the viewpoint from a male's standpoint. Like you say, women are mostly affected, which is the main RA population I've worked with. I just wanted to make sure that you weren't one of those people going out on a limb because they read something on the internet. I've had people with MS do a heavy running program because they heard it was good for them 😱 Sometimes, people don't do the smartest things. I just wanted to make sure you had consulted your physician. Good on you and keep doin' what you're doin'.
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Thanks man. Have a great weekend :thumbsup:
 
Optimum Nutrition is the best bang for buck.

There is not a best time to eat really, you have to figure out your calorie needs then work that out.

I'd get your testosterone checked. This is a major issue in many guys over 30 and esp 40. You may have a great sex drive and all that, but you can still have low-T.
 
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