I have the Biostar 970 motherboard. I made the upgrade from a FX6300 to a FX8350. Why? I also have a large amount of DDR3 RAM (24 GB) and at $70, I believe the CPU will never be cheaper. Video cards always get better (my next purchase), SSDs are still dropping in price, but this was best time to follow that particular upgrade path.As others earlier stated, you can't replace the motherboard, RAM, and CPU for $70.
mopardude87
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Can't stress enough how every build should at least have a 60gb ssd to boot off of,assuming whomever your trying to talk to into getting one is to cheap to get one.Buddy of mine got my old i5 4460 and 8gb to upgrade from his e8500 and 2gb and well i guess i didn't try hard enough cause his tower is still using a 2008 era 150gb spinner.Oh lord how slow that thing is.I pull my hair doing anything hard drive intensive like waiting for it to boot LOL.
Heclone
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What I would suggest you first is to install your SSD it'll already grants you a noticeable smoothness upgrade.
Then test your system again, and tell us what you think about it.
79$ is cheap, but not that cheap for a CPU that old, moreover is your MB compatible ? Some AM3 MB can't sustain the FX-8XXX serie.
Honestly if you still want a nicer experience I would really recommend you to spare a bit and invests into a cheap modern platform.
Some R3 1200 or Athlon 200GE CPU and a cheap B350 MB for example would grants you a real upgrade from your Phenom and can also allows you to upgrade a few years later.
Then test your system again, and tell us what you think about it.
79$ is cheap, but not that cheap for a CPU that old, moreover is your MB compatible ? Some AM3 MB can't sustain the FX-8XXX serie.
Honestly if you still want a nicer experience I would really recommend you to spare a bit and invests into a cheap modern platform.
Some R3 1200 or Athlon 200GE CPU and a cheap B350 MB for example would grants you a real upgrade from your Phenom and can also allows you to upgrade a few years later.
DominionSeraph
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You can get i5 2500 systems off ebay for $90 that would run rings around the FX 8350.
Though you'd have to do some research if you have 4x8GB since many of them only support 4GB sticks.
Though you'd have to do some research if you have 4x8GB since many of them only support 4GB sticks.
Heclone
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I'm really not sure that is possible. A used 2500k is cheap ~50$ but Z68 /P67/H67 MB really are expensive :/.
That would be a downgrade , 2500K is clearly inferior to a FX8350 on MT, on multitasking the 2500K is just inexistent comparatively..
https://www.computerbase.de/2016-05...m-multitasking-test-winrar-plus-the-witcher-3
mikeymikec
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I'm sure that will be of great help... to the person on a tight budget yet who likes to waste their computer's resources unnecessarily by hammering their CPU with compression work at the same time as playing a modern and demanding 3D game? What is that, an exercise in utter masochism?
The benchmark is meant to show how well CPUs take a beating in the form of a varied and intense workload, but I somewhat doubt that anyone with ~6 year old tech is complaining about either how well the Witcher 3 is running yet didn't manage to figure out that it's due to the compression job they're also and somehow always running at the same time, or complaining about how slow their compression job is running and needing someone point out to them that perhaps not running a demanding game at the same time might help matters.
Furthermore, the OP's usage scenario was "web browsing and e-mail". Hardly intense MT, is it.
This is all academic as the OP has already bought the FX CPU.
DominionSeraph
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Nobody said K.
He said his use was web browsing. A FX is a sidegrade from a Phenom in that respect.
The 2500 has vastly superior single-threaded performance to both.
amd6502
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Are we going redacted on this discussion? What's the point?
Browsers (eg chrome, firefox) have gone multithreaded and by default will make use of all threads (in this case 8) at only the cost of some RAM overhead (which in this case was abundant).
I can browse (restricting the number of tabs) and check email on my dual core bottom binned Stoney Ridge and get by mostly ok, but it will be a noticeably different experience from doing it on my main laptop or FX desktop. In the same way an old X4 Phenom will hack email and simple www (it's prbly just fine for moms), but with missing AES (and other modern instructions) that is another handicap for browsing performance (on top of 4 vs 8 threads).
Given the large amount of RAM on hand, it is a cheap and simple (time efficient) way of gettting another 5 years or more out of the desktop.
What's the point of such arbitrary benchmark as RAR+gaming? What's the point of Cinebench as benchmark when less than 1% of computer users ever even use cinebench or rendering software?? because both are simple replicable recipes for testing, and in the former case it is loosely representative of real world MT loads (of which heavy browsing load is one typical case), and the latter case is representative of heavy FPU loads, which sometimes is loosely representative of other performance, for example certain gaming loads.
That is not allowed in the tech forums.
That is not even allowed in the social forums.
Do not use that phrase here again as it is degrading
to people.
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Browsers (eg chrome, firefox) have gone multithreaded and by default will make use of all threads (in this case 8) at only the cost of some RAM overhead (which in this case was abundant).
I can browse (restricting the number of tabs) and check email on my dual core bottom binned Stoney Ridge and get by mostly ok, but it will be a noticeably different experience from doing it on my main laptop or FX desktop. In the same way an old X4 Phenom will hack email and simple www (it's prbly just fine for moms), but with missing AES (and other modern instructions) that is another handicap for browsing performance (on top of 4 vs 8 threads).
Given the large amount of RAM on hand, it is a cheap and simple (time efficient) way of gettting another 5 years or more out of the desktop.
What's the point of such arbitrary benchmark as RAR+gaming? What's the point of Cinebench as benchmark when less than 1% of computer users ever even use cinebench or rendering software?? because both are simple replicable recipes for testing, and in the former case it is loosely representative of real world MT loads (of which heavy browsing load is one typical case), and the latter case is representative of heavy FPU loads, which sometimes is loosely representative of other performance, for example certain gaming loads.
That is not allowed in the tech forums.
That is not even allowed in the social forums.
Do not use that phrase here again as it is degrading
to people.
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mikeymikec
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Yes, modern browsers are multithreaded, but for example if I load FB on my 4690K, CPU usage barely peaks for an instant near 50%. That's hardly a ringing endorsement for a CPU with more than 4 cores for "browsing".
My point about using the winrar + W3 benchmark as part of an argument that supposedly definitely blows a pure 4 core CPU away is that the OP's usage scenario was "browsing and e-mail". Those benchmarks, as useful as they might be for some users, are in no way helpful for a user on 6-year-old tech with the most basic of computing needs these days. That kind of user is making do with minimal resources and has minimal needs. The OP didn't say "heavy browsing" or mentioned having tonnes of tabs open. Even then, I'd want to see some benchmarks in favour of the idea that >4 cores is of a noticeable benefit even for heavy browsing usage, because the only time when browsing thrashes my 4690K is when I load a 32-tab job ("open all in tabs") when doing PC quotes for customers, and in my experience the typical "heavy browsing" scenario involves leaving lots of tabs open, and even if the browser is restarted each tab is only loaded when it has the focus.
Furthermore, the argument was an FX 8350 vs. a 2500K. The 2500K has AES instructions too.
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I am going to install a SSD TB. I've done nothing so far, but its very reasonable now.
Can you direct me to a tutorial on the process. It's been a long time since I did this. I looked Western Digital and they use a new slang now from 20 years ago.
Bob Howell
Can you direct me to a tutorial on the process. It's been a long time since I did this. I looked Western Digital and they use a new slang now from 20 years ago.
Bob Howell
Just use clonezilla or do a fresh install of Windows on the new drive and copy over the program files folders to the new drive.
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If you want to keep everything as is, cloning is the way to go. Simple and straightforward process, so don't sweat it.
Jay has a tutorial using freeware which I will link - https://www.ubackup.com/personal.html
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I would probably get this:
And call it, since the OP said he just wants to surf the web.
That Dell usff will be much quieter, use less power, and it doesn't take up any desk or floor space.
You can also recycle your RAM, and you can add your SSD for extra storage.
OP it will save you the headache too, for just a box to get on the web and do some light surfing.
Its also faster then the FX-8350 you originally was looking at.
And call it, since the OP said he just wants to surf the web.
That Dell usff will be much quieter, use less power, and it doesn't take up any desk or floor space.
You can also recycle your RAM, and you can add your SSD for extra storage.
OP it will save you the headache too, for just a box to get on the web and do some light surfing.
Its also faster then the FX-8350 you originally was looking at.
Please click the green human to continue - UserBenchmark
cpu.userbenchmark.com
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FYI: this thread is really old, and the hardware was already worked out. Bob is just adding a 1TB SSD now. And userbenchmark is worse than useless, our forum masters should black list that site. 😈
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lol yeah i know...
But if he wanted to replace what he had, or still had thoughts.... i thought i should give him some options.
And i do agree with you, that site is worthless, its enough to show the 4570 isn't a sidegrade or a downgrade to the cpu he originally asked.
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Since we are both up late, and we helped Bob out already, I'll trash talk with you a bit homie. 
I mean both CPUs are garbage time, so what else are we going to do?
For single and lightly thread stuff the Haswell is definitely better. I would not debate that. For gaming the 8350 is a better experience in many game now. In some games it always was. BF5 64P maps that quad core always had significantly worse frame pacing issues. OG Witcher 3 Novigrad market and docks with crowds maxed, makes that i5 struggle with 100% usage, where the FX is smooth. In newer games that like threads the FX will also have better frame pacing.
In my experience it comes down to, too many bar graphs, not enough gameplay making the old i5 look better than it is. Windows 10 maturing has been a benefit to the FX as well. I still mess around with an 8350 and it is far more capable than most would have guessed it would be over a decade later. Obviously the FX was such a late bloomer that it made no difference to its fate. But there is no way I'd trade my 8350 for a locked Haswell i5 in 2023 if I had to use one of them to game on. For Bob it makes no difference, the 8350 is more than capable as a netpliance.
I mean both CPUs are garbage time, so what else are we going to do?For single and lightly thread stuff the Haswell is definitely better. I would not debate that. For gaming the 8350 is a better experience in many game now. In some games it always was. BF5 64P maps that quad core always had significantly worse frame pacing issues. OG Witcher 3 Novigrad market and docks with crowds maxed, makes that i5 struggle with 100% usage, where the FX is smooth. In newer games that like threads the FX will also have better frame pacing.
In my experience it comes down to, too many bar graphs, not enough gameplay making the old i5 look better than it is. Windows 10 maturing has been a benefit to the FX as well. I still mess around with an 8350 and it is far more capable than most would have guessed it would be over a decade later. Obviously the FX was such a late bloomer that it made no difference to its fate. But there is no way I'd trade my 8350 for a locked Haswell i5 in 2023 if I had to use one of them to game on. For Bob it makes no difference, the 8350 is more than capable as a netpliance.
I don't want to intrude to break up this tender edate but there's been a lot of necroposting lately.
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It isn't a necro, OP came back with a new question. That's called an update. Yeah, he could have started a new thread, but he already provided info and context in his old one, so good on him for leveraging that.
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I know, but some people just don't want change.
You know the hell i went though convincing my Mom she had to upgrade her phone, not because its broken and she needed a new one, but because its old, dated, and the battery no longer held full charge.
You know what she ended up making me do?
Yup change the battery and never mention the word upgrade again. lol.
After a few months later the phone finally started having issues, and she finally changed, because i refused to get it repaired.
Some people just don't like too much change. :T
Although in both cases i really recommend it.
not related but reminds me of my first laptop I bought in 94-95 and regularly used until 2008 when it finally gave out. it was ancient and relatively unsafe but I loved it for writing. I must've swapped the batteries and other internals at least 6x in its lifetime.
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Well as i said, that Dell would let him keep his Ram.
Could also let him use his SSD as a second drive.
If he doesn't want to spend about 300 dollars on new core, then half will get him a new system with 1yr warranty on top.
Although i would really recommend him spending the extra 150 and getting a new core like a B550 + 5600G + DDR4 ram, and recycle that SSD.
Could also let him use his SSD as a second drive.
If he doesn't want to spend about 300 dollars on new core, then half will get him a new system with 1yr warranty on top.
Although i would really recommend him spending the extra 150 and getting a new core like a B550 + 5600G + DDR4 ram, and recycle that SSD.
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For web, email, and streaming there is no reason to upgrade his FX system. Adding the 1TB SSD is the cheapest out. If Microsoft shutdown the ability to install win 11 on old hardware, then he can upgrade when 10 goes EOL if he wants. Or if the hardware fails. Given 10 will still get security updates for years after, he could stay on it even after EOL.
That old Dell isn't even an upgrade. Windows update can peg all 4 cores alone. I have used this old tech, and the only worthwhile switch is AM4 or LGA1200 from a ultra budget standpoint. That's my 2 cents.
Old joke- Have you ever noticed it's a penny for your thoughts, but you have to put your 2 cents in? Someone's making a penny!
That old Dell isn't even an upgrade. Windows update can peg all 4 cores alone. I have used this old tech, and the only worthwhile switch is AM4 or LGA1200 from a ultra budget standpoint. That's my 2 cents.
Old joke- Have you ever noticed it's a penny for your thoughts, but you have to put your 2 cents in? Someone's making a penny!
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