Where's the fence?
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Jaskalas
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Originally posted by: XMan
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If they caught one, how many more have slipped through?
I'm sure she was just coming to America to do the jobs that Americans won't do . . . you know, pipe bombs, suicide vests, blowing stuff up . . .
I imagine a lot have gotten through. Thousands, perhaps.
Then I have to ask myself, why haven?t we seen any significant attacks if they are coming in? My only answer is not all of them who enter this country have the intention of laying their life down for Jihad, they will find Americans to do it for them. They will build up a base of supporters and lay the foundation for the sort of bombings Europe has faced.
Of course it will be easy to deny they even exist until they start killing more people. So until then I believe we?ll be stuck with ?who cares? as a resolute reply to this topic. Prevention is not part of our society at this point.
rpanic
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You guys are so racist, next you will want to build ovens. If they start stopping people I might have to pay more at the car wash, peoples lawns will grow out of control and cause me sneezing fits.
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Just wanted to get that out of the way for the people that will come up with dumb reasons to ague with this post.
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Just wanted to get that out of the way for the people that will come up with dumb reasons to ague with this post.
First of all, your reasoning is suspect. But that's the obvious part.
Did you even read the article? To begin with its a local news channel. The same people who try to attract a nightly audience with headlines like "THE NEXT TIME YOU STEP ON YOUR LAWN COULD KILL YOU... FIND OUT HOW AT 11". This is not exactly a credible source.
Finally, even if everything they say is true... she was a person smuggler, not a bomber, and she was "affiliated" (whatever that means) with a pakistani insurgent group aimed against the pakistani government, not us. Pardon me if I'm not sufficiently terrified.
Oh, and by the way a border fence is a really stupid idea.
Did you even read the article? To begin with its a local news channel. The same people who try to attract a nightly audience with headlines like "THE NEXT TIME YOU STEP ON YOUR LAWN COULD KILL YOU... FIND OUT HOW AT 11". This is not exactly a credible source.
Finally, even if everything they say is true... she was a person smuggler, not a bomber, and she was "affiliated" (whatever that means) with a pakistani insurgent group aimed against the pakistani government, not us. Pardon me if I'm not sufficiently terrified.
Oh, and by the way a border fence is a really stupid idea.
Jaskalas
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When your tolerance is towards the abuse of human rights, you loose anything resembling moral high ground. Calling us Nazis is a poor attempt to deflect attention away from the evil acts committed by the Islamic Supremacists whom we oppose.
I go so far as to consider the ideology behind arguing for them as treachery. It?s the sort of ideology that permits them to convert our people and to carry out further acts of war against us. They couldn?t attack us from our own soil without American support. I believe they have that support, and its example can be found here. Especially in various other topics.
Even stupider.
How about a 200 foot tall electrified wall made out of AIDS infected alligators with spinning chainsaws at the top and those kickass automatic guns that they used in that Aliens movie every five feet.
That should keep us safe from the brown people.
Oh wait, they can take boats and swim! Now we need a water fence too! HOW WILL WE EVER BE SAFE FROM THIS VAGUE, NEBULOUS THREAT THAT I JUST FEEL IS SOMEHOW BAD!?!?! Ohgodohgodohgodohgodohgod.
Maybe we can just saw ourselves off the North American land mass and set things adrift. Then NOBODY CAN GET TO US!!! AHHAAHAHAAHA! Anyone ever play Fallout 2? I suggest we set up shop on a fortified oil rig. As far as I can tell it takes some pretty decked out super mutants to take that down.
And yes, this is exactly the sort of post that this thread deserves.
rpanic was just being sarcastic. But it didn't take long before the real race card wavers show up again.
It's funny how Jaskalas can come so close to logic beating him over the head and still get it wrong. They say you can lead a horse to water and not make him drink; Jaskalas sticks his snout in and gets wet, but just doesn't drink any.
His logic is good to the point he says hm, for years a totally porous border, and yet not any more terrorist attacks, hmm why is that?
But rather than make the logical conclusion - that the threat may be exaggerated by those who stand to gain by exaggerating it, and that clearly it can't be what he thinks it is because if it were, there would be all kinds of terrorism going on by the terrorists crossing the border - no, he can't have the facts, so he invents a bizarre explanation to explain away the lack of terrorism. Gotta love the really sick ideologues.
As much as I think the threat is exaggerated, even I'm surprised by the lack of terrorism we've had - and that's a reason that even if we had ten attacks by individuals or small groups, I'd not say that the exaggerators are right, I expect that many just as unfortunately I expect a certain level of rape and robbery and murder in any city. His blinders, though, are ridiculous.
Goes to show how when he 'devotes himself' to the 'cause' (he sure sounds like a juhadist), he lets irrational needs for the enemy to justify his sacrifices get in the way of the facts.
His logic is good to the point he says hm, for years a totally porous border, and yet not any more terrorist attacks, hmm why is that?
But rather than make the logical conclusion - that the threat may be exaggerated by those who stand to gain by exaggerating it, and that clearly it can't be what he thinks it is because if it were, there would be all kinds of terrorism going on by the terrorists crossing the border - no, he can't have the facts, so he invents a bizarre explanation to explain away the lack of terrorism. Gotta love the really sick ideologues.
As much as I think the threat is exaggerated, even I'm surprised by the lack of terrorism we've had - and that's a reason that even if we had ten attacks by individuals or small groups, I'd not say that the exaggerators are right, I expect that many just as unfortunately I expect a certain level of rape and robbery and murder in any city. His blinders, though, are ridiculous.
Goes to show how when he 'devotes himself' to the 'cause' (he sure sounds like a juhadist), he lets irrational needs for the enemy to justify his sacrifices get in the way of the facts.
Jaskalas
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The 9-11 Hijackers lived among us for years without killing anyone. Those who will commit the next significant act of war are already here living among us.
The various lone gunmen, or the ones we catch in the planning stage such as Fort Dix, or the ones we stop and find explosives on, they are the sign of what will come. The sign of the hatred and intolerance that is cultivated against us on our soil. These are the signs that their brethren shall fulfill their sworn vow to kill Americans.
Seems you couldn?t care less, as I said, it appears only a few of us will until the 11th hour. Then you?ll have the audacity to ask how we got there in the first place. Today you say we don?t need a controlled border, that I?m worthy of insult for daring to mention we do. Tomorrow you?ll wonder how so many of us died.
Maybe we both hope that day never comes, only one of us would do everything to stop it.
"Everything the stop it"? Give me a break, your opinion of yourself needs more better connection with reality. You are NOT "doing everything"...hell, unless I miss my guess, you aren't DOING a damn thing. But if you mean ADVOCATING, you're not even doing that. All you're supporting is xenophobic, anti-Islam, anti-immigrant, nationalist bullshit because "fighting terrorism" happens to be a good excuse for doing so. You don't argue for more money for USEFUL security. You don't argue for a change in foreign policy that might make the words of Osama bin Laden more attractive to young Muslims, in fact you often argue against any positive policy changes at all in the Middle East. And you sure as hell don't argue that maybe we need to take a step back, take a deep breath, and get some damn perspective on whether it's the terrorists or ourselves who are doing the most damage to our country and our way of life.
In any case, the link between "terrorism" and "illegal immigration" has been dramatically overblown by the media and anti-immigrant groups. While terrorists aren't above entering the country illegally, or staying here illegally, the ones we have to worry about aren't going to swim across the river or hike through the desert. Building a wall, while certainly dramatic and symbolic enough to quite the "we must do something!" crowd, isn't going to stop very many terrorists at all. Think about how big a deal this is to your crowd, and this is the FIRST person you've ever been able to dig up here? Clearly we're facing certain doom :roll:
I haven't checked the episode against completely reliable sources, but I thought the Bullshit episode on immigration was interesting. They pointed out that the fences that would be built can be easily crossed within a very small time span. They also pointed out that most illegal immigrants don't hop the border, they visit here legally and then just don't leave when their time is up.
My post was filled with descriptions of AIDS infected alligators and spinning automatic chainsaws and you took what I wrote seriously?
I was just making fun of all you people and your obsession with fleeting security.
Originally posted by: XMan
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If they caught one, how many more have slipped through?
I'm sure she was just coming to America to do the jobs that Americans won't do . . . you know, pipe bombs, suicide vests, blowing stuff up . . .
Plenty of USA born wingnuts mumbling about liberals/commies/socialists mailing out anthrax and loading up the fertilizer already taking up those jobs.
Hell, we got whole websites devoted to em, freerepublic, little green footballs, I don't see why hardline righties here and hardline muslims dont just hold hands and pray for all the liberals to drop dead so they can just kill each other in peace.
Oh wait, muslims over there are brown ppl too..nm
Uh... stopping an army with a large stone wall (with guards) is way different from stopping scattered groups of people with a flimsy sheet metal wall guarded every... how many miles?
Uh, yeah, that's a pretty silly argument. The great wall was one of the most expensive defense projects in the history of the world, and produced results disproportionately bad given how much it cost. Of course, fighting the evil of the week is often like that...everybody wants visible efforts, whether or not those efforts produce results is really irrelevant. Given how poorly people demanding it all understand the problem in the first place, I'm not sure how they'd measure results in any case.
So then what you are telling me is that this country incapable of building a wall even on a smaller scale....something like the Berlin wall comes to mind.
-Labor, we have THOUSANDS of people who need work sitting right in our prisons across this nation. Give non-violent criminals a chance to do something positive and learn a skill they can possibly apply when they get out (that is kinda like rehabilitation or is it just me?)
-Materials wont be a problem. (concrete block, cement, steel) not to hard to come by.
-for the price they are planning on spending on the proposed techno-fence, a simple fence of the above mentioned materials built tall enough and deep enough, with the above mentioned labor should cost a hell of a lot less. I say "should" only because the government in general has a way of blowing budgets out of the water.
IronWing
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The main problem with the fence/wall idea is the asymmetric cost relationship. Building the fence requires expensive labor and materials. The folks who will be tearing holes through it are working for free and can sell the materials they pull from it. Add federal contracting rates to those labor/materials costs and we'll go broke trying to keep up the fence. All to keep out the industrious folks tearing it down.
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