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Rage187

Lifer
Dec 30, 2000
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my guess is his LLC bank is at chase and he mistakenly put the check in the wrong account. The Chase account is likely over drafted or something that made it to where he could not remove the funds. Then he makes up the BS story of losing the check so that you get it reversed out of the negative account and into his personal account.

I say fuck him.
 

iRONic

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Jan 28, 2006
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You're no better than him with that shitty troll job, dude. *shakes head*
 

waggy

No Lifer
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Use the first letter and add in the part about how you've kept records of your communications. Don't put in the parts about how he was caught in specific lies because 1) he'll just be more careful in planning his lies 2) he'll look to "get even" with you for calling him a liar (even though he is). 3) He may have lied more than you know of.

Leaving it at "I have been keeping a record of our communications" lets his imagination of what you actually have (maybe he's lied about more things you haven't found out about) and what you plan on doing with it. Rule #1: The unknown is far more scary than the known. Let his imagination run wild.

Also, from here on out, no telephone calls or face to face meetings without recording it (and let him know you are recording it), because he won't put lies in writing anymore.

EDIT: If you he asks you what he was lying about, start off with "Just a couple examples are 1) receiving the rent check and 2) not having an affiliation with Chase, then you paid me with a check from a Chase bank account." Imply without implying that you know of more. If he presses, just tell him that "I'm not getting into it right now. If you want to discuss this further, talk to my lawyer."

/this.

no reason to get into a pissing contest with the LL.
 

Lifted

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Nov 30, 2004
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If it were me, I'd remove all mention of recording his communications and catching his lies. You never know what stupidity he will spew forth next which could help you should he decide to take legal action. At the point that his lawyer contacts your lawyer, you can then disclose the communications and his lies, but until then, there is nothing in it for you. You're only helping him. I know you're anxious to point your finger and yell "na na, i got you!" but that will bring you little comfort if you're in a court room on the wrong end of a law suit.
 
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TangoJuliet

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Jul 2, 2006
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Just to prove that the signature from the subject check is from the LL here is further proof

March Check

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February Check

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Previous Certified Letter

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Lease Agreement

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TangoJuliet

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Prior to signing the lease the real estate agent handed me this paper. Specifically it states that all utilities are to be in the tenant's name. The actual lease agreement does not make any amendment such as the tenant is to continue with the LL's oil agreement.

Lease1.jpg


Lastly, here is a copy of our lease agreement. I'm not a lawyer and only am going on what my attorney has said in regards to the repairs that need to be made to the premises.

Section 11/12

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If you think I should take out the part of putting the rent in escrow then let me know.
 
Oct 20, 2005
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Just to prove that the signature from the subject check is from the LL here is further proof

March Check

ScreenShot2012-03-07at90949AM.png


February Check

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Previous Certified Letter

LL2.png


Lease Agreement

AmendedLease.png

To be honest, the march check signature does not look like feb/lease signature.

But then again, signatures do vary from time to time.
 

TangoJuliet

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I just called HSBC and Chase and they both could not give me any information since I don't have an account at either bank. The rep at Chase said that the LL should fill out the affidavit of forgery on his end and that it wasn't my responsibility if he is the one that lost the check after having it in his possession.
 

TechBoyJK

Lifer
Oct 17, 2002
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I put down 4/2 as the date because that it the date the LL has harassed me about paying the oil bill in the past. He has told me that if the bill was not paid 30 days after delivery it would be considered late and a violation of our lease agreement. Since the oil was delivered 3/4 he has 30 days to pay his portion of the bill otherwise he is in violation of the lease.

Understood
 

TechBoyJK

Lifer
Oct 17, 2002
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To be honest, the march check signature does not look like feb/lease signature.

But then again, signatures do vary from time to time.

yea.. i was thinking they don't match either. the other examples are extremely similar, and considering how different signatures can be, the march check sig isn't even close.

Maybe his wife's sad attempt at forging his signature? I wonder if his wife is even being honest with him.
 

GrumpyMan

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May 14, 2001
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To be honest, the march check signature does not look like feb/lease signature.

But then again, signatures do vary from time to time.

In my opinion those two signatures are not from the same person, I'm 99% sure of it. Look at the loops in Feb's check, that person is always very careful to make the 2 loops the same size and the same distance. Not so in March check.
 
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In my opinion those two signatures are not from the same person, I'm 99% sure of it. Look at the loops in Feb's check, that person is always very careful to make the 2 loops the same size and the same distance. Not so in March check.

So.....maybe LL didn't sign it then? It would seem that LL's wife may have tried to sign it.
 
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We already know the LL gives checks to the wife to deposit, that one check is very likely her signature. However, the top of the C, and consistent angles through make me think it could be the LL.


Either way, it's his wife and the forgery issue would be between him and her.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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We already know the LL gives checks to the wife to deposit, that one check is very likely her signature. However, the top of the C, and consistent angles through make me think it could be the LL.


Either way, it's his wife and the forgery issue would be between him and her.

Doesn't look the same to me. But looks like it was done by someone with knowledge of LL signature.
 

GrumpyMan

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May 14, 2001
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With all that I have read and seen in this thread so far, I would have to assume that the wife of LL tried to dupe not only you, but also her old man. She didn't think it would all blow up in her face like it is. And if that's the case and her old man still loves her, then he will try to protect her now and try to shift the blame to you.
 

PlasmaBomb

Lifer
Nov 19, 2004
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In my opinion those two signatures are not from the same person, I'm 99% sure of it. Look at the loops in Feb's check, that person is always very careful to make the 2 loops the same size and the same distance. Not so in March check.

The wife may have tried to sign the LLs "signature" when she tried to deposit it before it's date. Still don't see how it's the OPs problem.
 

mnewsham

Lifer
Oct 2, 2010
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my signature changes more then that on average, i could easily see that coming from the same person.
 

D1gger

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Oct 3, 2004
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IMO, the March signature does not match February or the certified letter. Still does not excuse the LL for the lies, but it does make it seem like perhaps the LL's wife is pulling a fast one.
 

waggy

No Lifer
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IMO, the March signature does not match February or the certified letter. Still does not excuse the LL for the lies, but it does make it seem like perhaps the LL's wife is pulling a fast one.

meh my signature never looks exactly the same. that's not a big issue