Where is the United States in Biblical prophecy????

[Tobolo]

Your assuming that the US will still be around when the "end times" occurs.

 

[redgtxdi]

Originally posted by: DaShen
OP, you really are acting dumb. :roll:

The U.S. in the grand scheme of things in World History doesn't play that huge of a significance. Sure, it is the most powerful nation in the world at this point in time. Also, no where in prophecy does it state the rebirth of the Roman Empire. Stop making things up. (There are interpretations, but they are just that)

The Israel nation is up and running again, but there are a few prophecies that haven't been completed yet. To say this is the end times, or to insinuate it, to try to prove the negative is stupid because not all the precursors have been done yet. (Namely one big one is the rebuilding of the temple) The temple hasn't existed since 70 A.D. BTW which was actually prophesized in the Bible. :roll: Don't be a tool and flamebait, OP. Respect others and they will respect you.

If you really know that little about Bible prophecy........I'd have to suggest you post elsewhere.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: redgtxdi

Originally posted by: DaShen
OP, you really are acting dumb. :roll:

The U.S. in the grand scheme of things in World History doesn't play that huge of a significance. Sure, it is the most powerful nation in the world at this point in time. Also, no where in prophecy does it state the rebirth of the Roman Empire. Stop making things up. (There are interpretations, but they are just that)

The Israel nation is up and running again, but there are a few prophecies that haven't been completed yet. To say this is the end times, or to insinuate it, to try to prove the negative is stupid because not all the precursors have been done yet. (Namely one big one is the rebuilding of the temple) The temple hasn't existed since 70 A.D. BTW which was actually prophesized in the Bible. :roll: Don't be a tool and flamebait, OP. Respect others and they will respect you.

If you really know that little about Bible prophecy........I'd have to suggest you post elsewhere.

Read some stuff yourself. I have read as much as I need to know (and I have read quite a bit mind you <I can very easily discuss this stuff with DTS grads or Probe ministry people but I don't because it would be only spurred by pride> ), to know that there have been many interpretations over the centuries, and yes, there is some key prophecies that have happened that point to "end times" happening soon, but as I have said before, your conjectures are totally baseless to try to prove the negative based on future events that are open to interpretation, because not all of the prophecies that need to happen have happened, and also in the grand scheme of things the US isn't that influencial in World History yet.

I mean, there are interpretations that say the Trib already happened. :roll: which is ridiculous IMO. Also there are many interpretations for the ten horns on the ten kings that correlate to a World Government (in which the US would be a part of). Again interpretations. The fact is the main prophecies that are clear cut haven't all happened yet. And you are trying to prove a negative on the likelyhood of prophecy, by pointing out that the US is not part of the prophecy? Your logic is not sound, as I have pointed out.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: redgtxdi

Originally posted by: DaShen
OP, you really are acting dumb. :roll:

The U.S. in the grand scheme of things in World History doesn't play that huge of a significance. Sure, it is the most powerful nation in the world at this point in time. Also, no where in prophecy does it state the rebirth of the Roman Empire. Stop making things up. (There are interpretations, but they are just that)

The Israel nation is up and running again, but there are a few prophecies that haven't been completed yet. To say this is the end times, or to insinuate it, to try to prove the negative is stupid because not all the precursors have been done yet. (Namely one big one is the rebuilding of the temple) The temple hasn't existed since 70 A.D. BTW which was actually prophesized in the Bible. :roll: Don't be a tool and flamebait, OP. Respect others and they will respect you.

If you really know that little about Bible prophecy........I'd have to suggest you post elsewhere.

Read some stuff yourself. I have read as much as I need to know (and I have read quite a bit mind you <I can very easily discuss this stuff with DTS grads or Probe ministry people but I don't because it would be only spurred by pride> ), to know that there have been many interpretations over the centuries, and yes, there is some key prophecies that have happened that point to "end times" happening soon, but as I have said before, your conjectures are totally baseless to try to prove the negative based on future events that are open to interpretation, because not all of the prophecies that need to happen have happened, and also in the grand scheme of things the US isn't that influencial in World History yet.

I mean, there are interpretations that say the Trib already happened. :roll: which is ridiculous IMO. Also there are many interpretations for the ten horns on the ten kings that correlate to a World Government (in which the US would be a part of). Again interpretations. The fact is the main prophecies that are clear cut haven't all happened yet. And you are trying to prove a negative on the likelyhood of prophecy, by pointing out that the US is not part of the prophecy? Your logic is not sound, as I have pointed out.

I can very easily discuss this stuff with DTS grads or Probe ministry people but I don't because it would be only spurred by pride

Actually the fact that you iether don`t know what your talking about or your just goofy dos not bode well for your assertion that you can talk very easily with DTS grads or ministers!! Its easy to discuss Blbl prophecy with such people if you are constantly say ok prove it...
But its a different can of worms to discuss Bible prophecy on there level which saddly you just are not on that level of existence...too funny!!

 

[tyler811]

Because of biblical theory that is why the US stands as an ally to Israel

 

[redgtxdi]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

I can very easily discuss this stuff with DTS grads or Probe ministry people but I don't because it would be only spurred by pride

Actually the fact that you iether don`t know what your talking about or your just goofy dos not bode well for your assertion that you can talk very easily with DTS grads or ministers!! Its easy to discuss Blbl prophecy with such people if you are constantly say ok prove it...
But its a different can of worms to discuss Bible prophecy on there level which saddly you just are not on that level of existence...too funny!!

:moon: (Hey.......who turned out the lights?)

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Actually the fact that you iether don`t know what your talking about or your just goofy dos not bode well for your assertion that you can talk very easily with DTS grads or ministers!! Its easy to discuss Blbl prophecy with such people if you are constantly say ok prove it...
But its a different can of worms to discuss Bible prophecy on there level which saddly you just are not on that level of existence...too funny!!

I used to talk to these guys about it a lot. I would read books by Geisler and some other theologians to figure out theology stuff. I was actually mentored by a DTS PHD when I was younger. A lot of my time that I should have been focusing on school I read other books which I was interested in at the time including this kind of information. Books that I knew were required for theology majors. **I am talking huge, huge 3000 page books. No wonder I never got to studying ** I have hence stopped reading a lot of that stuff because I have found it gets to a point where there are too many different ways to view the information. **EDIT Another reason was that I was reading so much of it, I was having nightmares about end times which really freaked me out (anyone smell sulfur) Another reason is also that reading this stuff made me proud of what I knew and made me a person that I didn't want to be (arrogant) **

Again, as I have said before. It gets pointless to talk about non-concrete prophecies, because they are all based on interpretations. You can point out how concrete prophecies are coming true, but many of the other prohphecies are too inconclusive to really understand till it happens.

If you think I am being arrogant, sorry for that, but I have read my share of information on "end times". Yes, it seems to point that we are nearing the end times, if you believe in the Bible because of many concrete prophesies have happened (and some of these prophecies (temple rebuilding and Israel nation) point to it happening within our lifetime or within our kids lifetime), but if you look at church history, you will find many different point where people have been wrong.

**EDIT**
BTW, it is more Biblical to understand the prophecies, but no one can really anticipate the Rapture or end times. Rather, we are supposed to wait in anticipation of it, and always look for it coming soon.

Read Daniel 9 (Jesus was predicted to the very year of crucifiction <if you discount the male/female forms of week that some people point out which I find is splitting hairs>, but the Church age is not discussed <because we are not to know how long the Church age should be>, but it is clear the Trib is 7 years <one week> )

So it is clear that G-d never wanted the "End Times" time frame to ever be revealed.

 

[Miramonti]

If there's anything that prophesies in the Bible have shown us, its that noone has a clue what the prophesies in the Bible have shown us.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: jjsole
If there's anything that prophesies in the Bible have shown us, its that noone has a clue what the prophesies in the Bible have shown us.

QFT

Interpretive Prophecies only become clear when they actually happen.

 

[wheresmybacon]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
I saw something on the history channel about this. Seems that if you're REALLY loose in your biblical interpretation then you can squeeze the U.S. in there.

along with stevie wonder and carrot top coming to rule the world.

seriously, you can fit abything in there if you try