Where Did These Conservatives Come From?

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October 15, 2004
Where Did These Conservatives Come From?
The Brownshirting of America

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

James Bovard, the great libertarian champion of our freedom and civil liberties, recently shared with readers his mail from Bush supporters (Lewrockwell.com, October 12). For starters here are some of the salutations: "communist bastard," "asshole," "a piece of trash, scum of the earth." It goes downhill from there.

Bush's supporters demand lock-step consensus that Bush is right. They regard truthful reports that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction and was not involved in the September 11 attack on the US--truths now firmly established by the Bush administration's own reports--as treasonous America-bashing.

As well, Bovard is interpreted as throwing cold water on the feel-good, macho, Muslim butt-kicking that Bush's invasion of Iraq has come to symbolize for his supporters. "People like you and Michael Moore," one irate reader wrote, "is (sic) what brings down our country."

I have received similar responses from conservatives, as, no doubt, have a number of other writers who object to a domestic police state at war with the world.

In language reeking with hatred, Heritage Foundtion TownHall readers impolitely informed me that opposing the invasion of Iraq is identical to opposing America, that Bush is the greatest American leader in history and everyone who disagrees with him should be shot before they cause America to lose another war. TownHall's readers were sufficiently frightening to convince the Heritage Foundation to stop posting my columns.

Bush's conservative supporters want no debate. They want no facts, no analysis. They want to denounce and to demonize the enemies that the Hannitys, Limbaughs, and Savages of talk radio assure them are everywhere at work destroying their great and noble country.

I remember when conservatives favored restraint in foreign policy and wished to limit government power in order to protect civil liberties. Today's young conservatives are Jacobins determined to use government power to impose their will at home and abroad.

Where did such "conservatives" come from?

Claes Ryn in his important book, America the Virtuous, explains the intellectual evolution of the neoconservatives who lead the Bush administration. For all their defects, however, neocons are thoughtful compared to the world of talk radio, whose inhabitants are trained to shout down everyone else. From whence came the brownshirt movement that slavishly adheres to the neocons' agenda?

Three recent books address this question. Thomas Frank in What's the Matter With Kansas, locates the movement in legitimate conservative resentments of people who feel that family, religious, and patriotic values are given short shrift by elitist liberals.

These resentments festered and multiplied as offshore production, jobs outsourcing, and immigration took a toll on careers and the American dream.

An audience was waiting for rightwing talk radio, which found its stride during the Clinton years. Clinton's evasions made it easy to fall in with show hosts, who spun conspiracies and fabricated a false consciousness for listeners who became increasingly angry.

Show hosts, who advertise themselves as truth-tellers in a no-spin zone, quickly figured out that success depends upon constantly confronting listeners with bogymen to be exposed and denounced: war protesters and America-bashers, the French, marrying homosexuals, the liberal media, turncoats, Democrats, and the ACLU.

Talk radio's "news stories" do not need to be true. Their importance lies in inflaming resentments and confirming that America's implacable enemies are working resolutely to destroy us.

David Brock's The Republican Noise Machine lacks the insights of Thomas Frank's book, but it provides a gossipy history of the rightwing takeover of the US media. Brock is unfair to some people, myself included, and mischaracterizes as rightwing some media personalities who are under rightwing attack.

Brock is as blindly committed to his causes as the rightwing zealots he exposes are to theirs. Unlike Frank, he cannot acknowledge that the rightwing has legitimate issues.

Nevertheless, Brock makes a credible case that today's conservatives are driven by ideology, not by fact. He argues that their stock in trade is denunciation, not debate. Conservatives don't assess opponents' arguments, they demonize opponents. Truth and falsity are out of the picture; the criteria are: who's good, who's evil, who's patriotic, who's unpatriotic.

These are the traits of brownshirts. Brownshirts know they are right. They know their opponents are wrong and regard them as enemies who must be silenced if not exterminated.

Some of Brock's quotes from prominent conservative commentators will curl your toes. His description of the rightwing's destruction of an independent media and the "Fairness Doctrine" explain why a recent CNN/Gallup poll found that 42% of Americans still believe that Saddam Hussein was involved in the September 11 terrorist attack on the US and 32% believe that Saddam Hussein personally planned the attack.

A country in which 42% of the population is totally misinformed is not a country where democracy is safe.

Today there is no one to correct a lie once it is told. The media, thanks to Republicans, has been concentrated in few hands, and they are not the hands of newsmen. Corporate values rule. If lies sell, sell them. If listeners, viewers, and readers want confirmation of their resentments and beliefs, give it to them. Objectivity turns listeners off and is a money loser.

In his book, Cruel and Unusual, Mark Crispin Miller, professor of media studies at New York University, explains how rightwing influence has moved the media away from reporting news to designing our consciousness. "The Age of Information," Miller writes, "has turned out to be an Age of Ignorance."

Miller makes a strong case. His description of how CNN and Fox News destroyed the credibility of Scott Ritter, the leading expert on Iraq's weapons, reveals a media completely given over to propaganda. Ritter stood in the way of the neocon's invasion of Iraq.

CNN's Miles O'Brien, Eason Jordan, Catherine Callaway, Paula Zahn, Kyra Phillips, Arthel Neville, and Fox News' David Asman and John Gibson portrayed Ritter as a disloyal American, a Ba-athist stooge on the take from Saddam Hussein, and compared him to Jane Fonda in North Vietnam.

With this, the rightwing talk radio crazies were off and running. Anyone with the slightest bit of real information about the state of weapons development in Iraq was dismissed as a foreign agent who should be shot for treason.

By substituting fiction for reality, the US media took the country to war. The CNN and Fox News "journalists" are as responsible for America's ill-fated invasion of Iraq as Cheney and Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Perle.

With a sizable percentage of the US population now addicted to daily confirmations of their resentments and hatreds, US policy will be increasingly driven by tightly made up minds in pursuit of unrealistic agendas.

American troops are in Iraq on false pretenses. No one knows all the fateful consequences of this mistaken adventure. Bush's reelection would be seen as a vindication of aggression, and more aggression would likely follow. A continuing expenditure of blood, money, alliances, good will, and civil liberties is not a future to which to look forward.

Paul Craig Roberts is John M. Olin Fellow at the Institute for Political Economy and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute. He is a former assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury. He is the co-author of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.

 

PingSpike

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Interestings piece. It makes the good point that people are just looking for a simple answer to their complex problems...even if its the wrong answer and it just makes things worse. They want to believe it so bad, they just keep on doing it.

32% of Americans think sadam personally planned the attack of 9/11? Does anyone even watch the news anymore?
 

daveshel

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That's a good read. I blame it all on our failure to instill critical thinking in the minds of our youth. We just say do what you're told just say no don't question authority and all of a sudden we have a generation of people who have no crap detectors. They fall for stuff like Limbaugh and all.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Hey look, another Conservatives are Evil, stupid, bad for America, etc thread.:roll:

Whatever floats your boat I guess.

CsG

Actually, it's about who is sinking our country.

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Hey look, another Conservatives are Evil, stupid, bad for America, etc thread.:roll:

Whatever floats your boat I guess.

CsG

Actually, it's about who is sinking our country.

Ah yes, I forgot to ad that to the list...I figured it was covered with the "bad for America" part though. :roll:

Carry on...:roll:

CsG
 

cwjerome

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How hilariously ironic... the article talks about propaganda and ignorance.

Bwahahawah!! :)
 

daveshel

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Hey look, another Conservatives are Evil, stupid, bad for America, etc thread.:roll:

Whatever floats your boat I guess.

CsG

I'll tell you what floats my boat. Analysis. Not just conclusions.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: daveshel
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Hey look, another Conservatives are Evil, stupid, bad for America, etc thread.:roll:

Whatever floats your boat I guess.

CsG

I'll tell you what floats my boat. Analysis. Not just conclusions.

Analysis is only a fraction of what I need.

I am willing to look beyond the threshold of what you can see and past what you are able to hold in your hand. Obviously, the author of this piece does not have this ability.

 

FelixDeCat

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
How hilariously ironic... the article talks about propaganda and ignorance.

Bwahahawah!! :)

I know! Ha aha hahha hahah. It refutes the known fact that michael "goebbels" moore is mischaracterized! Hahah hahahhaha...

...whew..

hahahhha ahahh ahhhaahhh...
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: cwjerome
How hilariously ironic... the article talks about propaganda and ignorance.

Bwahahawah!! :)

I know! Ha aha hahha hahah. It refutes the known fact that michael "goebbels" moore is mischaracterized! Hahah hahahhaha...

...whew..

hahahhha ahahh ahhhaahhh...

Welcome to the exclusive PLONK club Scat. You can't even hold RIP's jock noob.
 

1EZduzit

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American troops are in Iraq on false pretenses. No one knows all the fateful consequences of this mistaken adventure. Bush's reelection would be seen as a vindication of aggression, and more aggression would likely follow. A continuing expenditure of blood, money, alliances, good will, and civil liberties is not a future to which to look forward.

The truth hurts, doesn't it.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
American troops are in Iraq on false pretenses. No one knows all the fateful consequences of this mistaken adventure. Bush's reelection would be seen as a vindication of aggression, and more aggression would likely follow. A continuing expenditure of blood, money, alliances, good will, and civil liberties is not a future to which to look forward.

The truth hurts, doesn't it.

Your opinion doesn't hurt at all. You are entitled to your incorrect opinion, but your wrong opinion doesn't "hurt" me - it only hurts you in the long-run.

CsG
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
American troops are in Iraq on false pretenses. No one knows all the fateful consequences of this mistaken adventure. Bush's reelection would be seen as a vindication of aggression, and more aggression would likely follow. A continuing expenditure of blood, money, alliances, good will, and civil liberties is not a future to which to look forward.

The truth hurts, doesn't it.

Your opinion doesn't hurt at all. You are entitled to your incorrect opinion, but your wrong opinion doesn't "hurt" me - it only hurts you in the long-run.

CsG


Why is your opinion correct in this matter? Why is his wrong? You have the right to your wrong opinion just the same as he has.
 

sMiLeYz

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Hey look, another Conservatives are Evil, stupid, bad for America, etc thread.:roll:

Whatever floats your boat I guess.

CsG

This kids, is a classic example of a brownshirt. :D
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Hey look, another Conservatives are Evil, stupid, bad for America, etc thread.:roll:

Whatever floats your boat I guess.

CsG

This kids, is a classic example of a brownshirt. :D

:beer: :D :beer:

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
American troops are in Iraq on false pretenses. No one knows all the fateful consequences of this mistaken adventure. Bush's reelection would be seen as a vindication of aggression, and more aggression would likely follow. A continuing expenditure of blood, money, alliances, good will, and civil liberties is not a future to which to look forward.

The truth hurts, doesn't it.

Your opinion doesn't hurt at all. You are entitled to your incorrect opinion, but your wrong opinion doesn't "hurt" me - it only hurts you in the long-run.

CsG


Why is your opinion correct in this matter? Why is his wrong? You have the right to your wrong opinion just the same as he has.

Exactly;)

CsG
 

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Analysis is only a fraction of what I need.

I am willing to look beyond the threshold of what you can see and past what you are able to hold in your hand. Obviously, the author of this piece does not have this ability.
Well Ozoned, then practice what you preach and take a quick trip to google.com, enter in "PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS", hit enter, and you yourself will see that this guy is no liberal propagandist. Quite to the contrary he appears to be a highly regarded >> conservative << columnist.

See, admit this is what you guys are all about. Blind to the fact there may be an alternate or even better explanation. All battle but no fight. The left makes a point and without too much thought, out spouts the nonsense that comprises the backbone of your arguments. Usually something that somebody else told you. How do you like your crow? Fried or blackened? Until you can >> explain << otherwise, just keep votin' the way they tell you to vote...that's what they're counting on...
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
American troops are in Iraq on false pretenses. No one knows all the fateful consequences of this mistaken adventure. Bush's reelection would be seen as a vindication of aggression, and more aggression would likely follow. A continuing expenditure of blood, money, alliances, good will, and civil liberties is not a future to which to look forward.

The truth hurts, doesn't it.

Your opinion doesn't hurt at all. You are entitled to your incorrect opinion, but your wrong opinion doesn't "hurt" me - it only hurts you in the long-run.

CsG

LMAO, and I'm still waiting for the WMD's to be found. It is you who are wrong, you just don't know it.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Hey look, another Conservatives are Evil, stupid, bad for America, etc thread.:roll:

Whatever floats your boat I guess.

CsG

This kids, is a classic example of a brownshirt. :D

***ZZZOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMM***

Wow, that went so far over...I'm sure you didn't even see it.

Go figure.

CsG
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Hey look, another Conservatives are Evil, stupid, bad for America, etc thread.:roll:

Whatever floats your boat I guess.

CsG

This kids, is a classic example of a brownshirt. :D

:beer: :D :beer:

Ha, I think kid is the right term for CsG
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Hey look, another Conservatives are Evil, stupid, bad for America, etc thread.:roll:

Whatever floats your boat I guess.

CsG

This kids, is a classic example of a brownshirt. :D

:beer: :D :beer:

Ha, I think kid is the right term for CsG

No - he was talking about you being the "kid" - read it again;)

CsG