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I wonder if this causes problems with their computer software. I mean, if you're a guy designing Zimbabwean POS systems, you probably wouldn't have thought that a loaf of bread would cost billions of dollars someday.

Edit: I guess I should have read the whole article. 😱
 
Originally posted by: mugs
I wonder if this causes problems with their computer software. I mean, if you're a guy designing Zimbabwean POS systems, you probably wouldn't have thought that a loaf of bread would cost billions of dollars someday.

Edit: I guess I should have read the whole article. 😱

I'm gonna guess that not too many shops in Zimbabwe were using complex POS systems in the first place.
 
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: mugs
I wonder if this causes problems with their computer software. I mean, if you're a guy designing Zimbabwean POS systems, you probably wouldn't have thought that a loaf of bread would cost billions of dollars someday.

Edit: I guess I should have read the whole article. 😱

I'm gonna guess that not too many shops in Zimbabwe were using complex POS systems in the first place.

It'd be an even bigger problem on older cash registers, electronic or otherwise. But the article dealt with that - they just lop off 6 zeros. Must be a nightmare for bookkeepers.
 
Originally posted by: darkxshade
Are there any ZWD denomination in coins?

I have some ZWD coins. A guy I knew there mailed them to me a few years ago when it was 1.00 ZWD = 0.80 US.
 
Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Special K
What exactly is causing their hyperinflation? I have read several news articles about the situation in Zimbabwe but none of them offered a cause for it. The best I could infer was that many farms have been seized over the past several years, making food and basic goods extremely scarce, which would in turn raise the price dramatically. Is that correct?

the government keeps printing money. just like ours is but on a larger scale and no real economy or value to back it up.

What are they spending it on? What's their excuse for this?

Stupid bullshit with no legitimate excuse. Just refer to our govt. spending policy.

Who are they buying from though? If they aren't buying stuff within their own country, then wouldn't the inflation be occurring elsewhere?

They are paying off various debts in many cases.

Here's a more thorough explanation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_Zimbabwe

There is more to it than just printing money. They also caused havok on the financial resources of the country through "land reforms".
 
Originally posted by: Mark R
Originally posted by: Special K
Who are they buying from though? If they aren't buying stuff within their own country, then wouldn't the inflation be occurring elsewhere?

The government prints ZW$, which it attempts to convert to hard currency in order to import goods, and to make payments on loans. Everyone on the outside sees the ZW$ as pretty much worthless, so won't touch it, so every day, the few people left who will change it, want more and more and more ZW$ for 1 USD.

At the same time the actual objective 'value' of the country is reducing - fewer viable farms, fewer viable businesses, lower health and quality of life of the population, less mining/other resource output. The 'value' of a paper currency is essentially, the value of the environment in which it can be used to buy things, divided by the number of currency units available. In Zimbabwe, the problem is a rapidly increasing number of $ and catastrophic descent into poverty of the country, because all the productive infrastructure has been destroyed.

Good post.

So basically, the demand for Zimbabwe dollars in the rest of the world is rapidly declining because the world feels there is nothing worth buying or investing into in the country. This forces the government to print more and more Zimbabwe dollars to buy goods from other countries and pay debts to foreign creditors.

So why is the inflation occurring within Zimbabwe if all of their dollars are flowing out of it?
 
Originally posted by: Special K
What exactly is causing their hyperinflation? I have read several news articles about the situation in Zimbabwe but none of them offered a cause for it. The best I could infer was that many farms have been seized over the past several years, making food and basic goods extremely scarce, which would in turn raise the price dramatically. Is that correct?

Government printing money; the other huge issue is arbitrary price ceilings which lead to shortages.
 
Originally posted by: Special K

So why is the inflation occurring within Zimbabwe if all of their dollars are flowing out of it?

Probably because the currency isn't actually flowing out. What use is ZW$ outside of the country. It has to find its way back, if only because people need to spend it - the posession of foreign currencies in Zimbabwe is banned (unless you are authorized by the government) and will get you beaten, jailed and/or shot - even quoting a price in US$ is enough to get yourself done over.

The govt tries to pay US$ debts, by printing ZW$, and changing them - meanwhile, businesses receive incoming US$ from exports, etc. and are forced to convert to ZW$.

 
Originally posted by: Mark R
Probably because the currency isn't actually flowing out. What use is ZW$ outside of the country.

Well the currency has to flow out if Zimbabwe is paying foreign creditors and buying goods from other countries.

Originally posted by: Mark R
It has to find its way back, if only because people need to spend it - the posession of foreign currencies in Zimbabwe is banned (unless you are authorized by the government) and will get you beaten, jailed and/or shot - even quoting a price in US$ is enough to get yourself done over.

But this means that the rest of the world is obviously buying something from Zimbabwe, right? Other currencies are converted into ZW$, which end up back in their economy?

Originally posted by: Mark R
The govt tries to pay US$ debts, by printing ZW$, and changing them - meanwhile, businesses receive incoming US$ from exports, etc. and are forced to convert to ZW$.

I'm confused. Above you said the currency isn't actually flowing out, but here you say the government pays US$ debts by printing ZW$ and changing them. That means they are flowing out of the country (to the US in this case), right?

I'm just trying to understand all of this.
 
That's what they get when they kick out all the white landowners.

"Inflation was stable until Robert Mugabe began a programme of land reforms that primarily focused on taking land from white farmers and redistributing those properties and assets to others; this in turn sent food production and revenues from export of food plummeting."

By the beginning of July 2008, official figures put the inflation rate at 355 000 percent[22] and with some independent estimates as high as 8,500,000 percent.[23] By July 4th, 2008 at 5PM, a bottle of beer cost $100 billion Zimbabwean dollars, but an hour later, the price had gone up to $150 billion; the Los Angeles Times further reported on July 15th, 2008 that the printing presses were running out of paper to print the money, and it was feared that because of human rights concerns, Germany would cut off the supply of paper and the software license for creating designs for ever higher denominations of currency.
 
Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: Mark R
Probably because the currency isn't actually flowing out. What use is ZW$ outside of the country.

Well the currency has to flow out if Zimbabwe is paying foreign creditors and buying goods from other countries.

Originally posted by: Mark R
It has to find its way back, if only because people need to spend it - the posession of foreign currencies in Zimbabwe is banned (unless you are authorized by the government) and will get you beaten, jailed and/or shot - even quoting a price in US$ is enough to get yourself done over.

But this means that the rest of the world is obviously buying something from Zimbabwe, right? Other currencies are converted into ZW$, which end up back in their economy?

Originally posted by: Mark R
The govt tries to pay US$ debts, by printing ZW$, and changing them - meanwhile, businesses receive incoming US$ from exports, etc. and are forced to convert to ZW$.

I'm confused. Above you said the currency isn't actually flowing out, but here you say the government pays US$ debts by printing ZW$ and changing them. That means they are flowing out of the country (to the US in this case), right?

I'm just trying to understand all of this.


They're trying to revitalize their economy via perpetual motion.

 
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
What would stop me from buying a crapload of their currency, and sitting on it until it comes back down? Then I profit once their economy comes back into check.

Exactly what I was thinking. Spend $10, convert it, sit on the $ for a few years. 🙂 If only life was that easy
 
Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
In Germany in late 1923, the amount of paper marks it would take to buy firewood would take longer to burn then the firewood. Bread was 80 billion marks per loaf.

The crazy thing: The exchange rate is 1:1.25, and Germany has one of the strongest (if not the) economies in Europe...Huge export to import ratio...
 
Originally posted by: thehstrybean
Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
In Germany in late 1923, the amount of paper marks it would take to buy firewood would take longer to burn then the firewood. Bread was 80 billion marks per loaf.

The crazy thing: The exchange rate is 1:1.25, and Germany has one of the strongest (if not the) economies in Europe...Huge export to import ratio...

Marshall plan FTW.
 
Originally posted by: Special K

Well the currency has to flow out if Zimbabwe is paying foreign creditors and buying goods from other countries.

Not necessarily. The creditors want to be paid in their own currency. It's no good the Zim government sending over a bunch of ZW$. The creditors want US$. That means the govt has to find someone who wants the ZW$, but has US$.

The only people who want this are the few businesses left that can export anything. So they have to buy the ZW$, with the banks acting as intermediaries. The ZW$ doesn't actually have to leave the country - in fact, virtually none will, because it is of precisely zero value outside the country.

The problem is that even the exporters don't want the ZW$, so the price of US$ in ZW$ is going out of control. The whole currency is becoming useless, and everyone who can is trying to find alternative methods of trade. Export (and even local) businesses are increasingly wanting payment in hard currency wired to an offshore bank account. They can then get buy hard goods (oil, food, etc.) with the US$ and either import them, or pay other businesses in this bizarre offshore scheme.

However, employees need cash - so there is always some demand for ZW$.

 
Why not just get rid of some of those zeroes. Divide everything by 1,000,000 (bills and prices) and do everything that way?

This sounds like "but this one goes to 11" bit in Spinal Tap.
 
Sadly, Zimbabwe used to be one of the wealthiest African nations and was a poster-child for Africa until Mugabe took over.

He should be charged with crimes against humanity and summarily executed for his failure as a leader.
 
Originally posted by: chuckywang
Why not just get rid of some of those zeroes. Divide everything by 1,000,000 (bills and prices) and do everything that way?

This sounds like "but this one goes to 11" bit in Spinal Tap.

They've already done that. The government did that officially in 2006, getting rid of 3 zeros. The article mentioned that all bank transactions will now be done minus 6 zeros.
 
Originally posted by: Mark R
The only people who want this are the few businesses left that can export anything.

Originally posted by: Mark R
The problem is that even the exporters don't want the ZW$

I'm confused - do the exporting businesses of Zimbabwe want ZW$ or not? The first quote says they do, but the second one says they don't. Does the government force these businesses to exchange their US$ for the government's printed ZW$, so the government can then turn around and pay off its debts in US$?

Also, is hyperinflation really such a terrible thing? If everyone is being paid 10x as much and everything costs 10x as much, has anything really changed, other than the inconvenience of keeping track of much larger numbers?
 
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
What would stop me from buying a crapload of their currency, and sitting on it until it comes back down? Then I profit once their economy comes back into check.

they expire in december
 
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