Also the 1950XT uses the R580+ (which the 1950XTX uses) as opposed to the R580. I'm pretty sure the X1950XT is supposed to replace the X1900XT. I think the only reason the X1950XT doesn't have a 512mb version is that it would be too similar to the X1950XTX since if you overclock the XT, you would essentially have an XTX w/out GDDR4 and the new cooler.
Hmmm...
I wonder how they would explain my 85*C+ load temps with the X2 compared to my 73*C load temp with stock cooler.
Trust me, I've put it on and off and on and off, same results everytime. The unit is also not defective, sits flush, on tight, 100% fan speed.
My case admittedly has poor airflow and that's where the difference is. The accelero doesnt even blow the hot air out towards the side of the case where maybe the hot air will get caught by a case fan. Instead it blows it straight at the motherboard and just cooks the card when the heat tries to rise past the card.
As mentioned before, it depends quite a bit on the airflow inside your case. If the flow is really poor, it can raise the env temps quite a bit and all the hot air can build up. I've had something to that effect happen.
After reworking the airflow to make it exit the case quickly by using some case fans, the temps dropped quite a bit. For people with good cases, this is a non-issue, but not everyone has a good case, in which case the IceQ3 can offer some advantages. The disadvantage of course is the extra price.
If you look at anything about the X1950XTX, it will say that it is the R580+ core. I don't really know the difference and can't really seem to find anything giving the details, but I dont think ATI would just add a + for no reason. The Inquirer originally said that the R580+ was supposed to be the 80nm version of the R580, but ATI changed their minds and didn't the die shrink. The HIS website labels the X1950XT as R580+ I'm guess that the difference has something to do with the memory since the X1950XTX has GDDR4 and the X1950XT has GDDR3 clocked a lot higher than an overclocked X1900XT.
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Review here.
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=1&id=2122
Enjoy!
Sadly...its just a beefed up X1900XT with GDDR4 memory... Still using that R580 instead of the R580+...
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=1&id=2122
Enjoy!
Sadly...its just a beefed up X1900XT with GDDR4 memory... Still using that R580 instead of the R580+...
You just described the X1950 XTX.
This card uses GDDR3, and yes it still uses 'that' R580 and not R580+, because it uses GDDR3.
The reality:
****THE R580+ IS IDENTICAL TO R580 EXCEPT FOR ACTIVATED GDDR4 SUPPORT***
R580 and R580+ offer the EXACT same perfomrance, and clock the same, etc.
R580 is in no way obselete in the Radeon line-up, atleast.
In all honesty, Radeon X1900 owners still have the fastest radeon cards, the extra 50 of X1950 is a marketing ploy since ATI ran out of suffixes to fit these into the X1900 series, and they know uninformed customers will pay for the extra 50 'Radeon brag points'.
Kromis
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Originally posted by: Warren21
You just described the X1950 XTX.
This card uses GDDR3, and yes it still uses 'that' R580 and not R580+, because it uses GDDR3.
The reality:
****THE R580+ IS IDENTICAL TO R580 EXCEPT FOR ACTIVATED GDDR4 SUPPORT***
R580 and R580+ offer the EXACT same perfomrance, and clock the same, etc.
R580 is in no way obselete in the Radeon line-up, atleast.
In all honesty, Radeon X1900 owners still have the fastest radeon cards, the extra 50 of X1950 is a marketing ploy since ATI ran out of suffixes to fit these into the X1900 series, and they know uninformed customers will pay for the extra 50 'Radeon brag points'.
Oh, my bad! Thanks for the correction!
Originally posted by: Warren21
In all honesty, Radeon X1900 owners still have the fastest radeon cards, the extra 50 of X1950 is a marketing ploy since ATI ran out of suffixes to fit these into the X1900 series, and they know uninformed customers will pay for the extra 50 'Radeon brag points'.
Not really, the X1900XT cards are harder and harder to find, the only one I could find on Newegg is sold out. If you look at the price, it exactly the same as this X1950XT card. The X1950XT is just a replacement and not really a "ploy" to make more money. The X1950XT probably just a tiny bit faster and they could've made more improvements, but at least they don't charge you more for it.
You are correct though that the R580+ is just an R580 with GDDR4 because I read somewhere that the X1950XT comes up as R580 (no plus) on their computer. I guess HIS put in the wrong specs on their website.
Thanks for the update on a review! It's interesting to see how the 256mb X1950XT (with higher memory clocks) keeps up with the 512mb X1900XT at 1600x1200 with AA/AF up. It would've been nice though if they included a 256mb X1900XT and had higher resolutions like 1920x1200. I think I may just buy a X1950XT to hold me down until the R600 since I only game at 1280x1024 anyway.
lol im looking for crossfire reviews and seems any review be nice, seems to be in short supply. i just bought one of these currently waiting for it to arrive. seems to offer the best bang for the buck. i hear they run quite hot and maybe noisy and not high oc. but great price for 48 pipes. i bought the sapphire radeon.
I think I'm going to go for the HIS Iceq3 version since it has a better cooler. There is a rebate on it and it is only $280AR+ shipping.
started to feel i bought a lemon when i read this thread. ati support seems to be poor. i previously used nvidia
http://www.overclock.net/ati/136460-x1950xt-nightmare-yes-mostly-my-fault.html
but got relief when on page 3 the idiot later discovered he didnt connect up the power to his gfx card. lol
its awesome performance for the price. its a good card till directx10 becomes established.
i probably replace the poor fan being loud with something better. it beats the 7900gt/gtx. its the best performance/price to buy for directx9.
@Matt2
48 pixel shader processors.
http://www.overclock.net/ati/136460-x1950xt-nightmare-yes-mostly-my-fault.html
but got relief when on page 3 the idiot later discovered he didnt connect up the power to his gfx card. lol
its awesome performance for the price. its a good card till directx10 becomes established.
i probably replace the poor fan being loud with something better. it beats the 7900gt/gtx. its the best performance/price to buy for directx9.
@Matt2
48 pixel shader processors.
theres no need to oc its fantastic perfomance already. for anybody who wants to run max on 1600 and 1280 go for it.
Please clarify what you mean by abysmal as I only see about 2, 3 star reviews and none below 3 stars.
Newegg Reviews
Sapphire X1950XT
HIS X1950XT
Originally posted by: markymoo
started to feel i bought a lemon when i read this thread. ati support seems to be poor. i previously used nvidia
http://www.overclock.net/ati/136460-x1950xt-nightmare-yes-mostly-my-fault.html
but got relief when on page 3 the idiot later discovered he didnt connect up the power to his gfx card. lol
its awesome performance for the price. its a good card till directx10 becomes established.
i probably replace the poor fan being loud with something better. it beats the 7900gt/gtx. its the best performance/price to buy for directx9.
@Matt2
48 pixel shader processors.
That guy in the overclock.net was kind of an idiot for not checking if the card was installed correctly. However, it still sucks that the newer ATI drives don't support the X1950XT and that you have to use the ones on the CD for now.
well the newegg reviews read... it runs hot, it consumes huge amounts of power and it doesn't come with a power adapter (that most of the cards come with). It aparently runs rather loud. I am talking about the sapphire one here. The others may be fine, but are more expensive.
Seems to me to be more complaints than there should be for such few reviews.
Seems to me to be more complaints than there should be for such few reviews.
Yeah, it does seem to have a lot of complaints about the power/heat/noise. However, they still give it 4-5 stars, so it must not be that big of a concern for them.
@Xarick
that dont make it bad. its an enthusiast card. the issues can happen with any card.
1. it runs hot - ok so get better cooling anybody who buys a high end card replaces the stock cooling anyways - problem solved.
2. it needs a 6 pin connector - this is not even an issue, any good quality psu has a 6 pin connector like the fantastic corsair hx620w i just bought - even the nvidia 7900 series uses 6 pin - problem solved.
3. it consumes alot power - its a high end card sure it does so you use high watt psu which you probably have if you into latest stuff - problem solved.
4. the drivers 6.10 on the cd work fine. theres now 6.11 fixed drivers - problem solved.
5. its noisy - so you get a good vga cooler or you watercool it - problem solved
the reviews are mainly saying how great it is. its a big leap in price to a x1900xtx so this fills the gap fine. you tell me where i can get a card for that price with that much performance. this is it.
that dont make it bad. its an enthusiast card. the issues can happen with any card.
1. it runs hot - ok so get better cooling anybody who buys a high end card replaces the stock cooling anyways - problem solved.
2. it needs a 6 pin connector - this is not even an issue, any good quality psu has a 6 pin connector like the fantastic corsair hx620w i just bought - even the nvidia 7900 series uses 6 pin - problem solved.
3. it consumes alot power - its a high end card sure it does so you use high watt psu which you probably have if you into latest stuff - problem solved.
4. the drivers 6.10 on the cd work fine. theres now 6.11 fixed drivers - problem solved.
5. its noisy - so you get a good vga cooler or you watercool it - problem solved
the reviews are mainly saying how great it is. its a big leap in price to a x1900xtx so this fills the gap fine. you tell me where i can get a card for that price with that much performance. this is it.
x1950pro is probably this cards equivalent.
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics....elx=33&model1=527&model2=607&chart=199
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics....elx=33&model1=527&model2=607&chart=199
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