Beagle I sent you an email asking you some questions. I am new to forums and building pc's this was my first. So I am sorry to everyone in advance if I dont know all the lingo or edicate on how to ask for help. So by sending you a private email was wrong sorry. I am just excited about my new pc and trying to get to 3.5 Gigs steady with the best ram timings possible. from reading different forums about 680I it seems to be very picky about the volts. That is why I was asking what everyone is running and at what volts. And Beagle you have the same ram and cpu as I do that is why so much interest in how you have your system set up. So If you or anybody can help thanks!
I am no expert by a long shot but I have CORSAIR TWIN2X2048-6400C4 now running at 4-4-4-12-2t at 2.1 volts. One thing has me concerned though, the first pci 16 of which I have read should be set to 100mhz is set to auto at 125 mhz. I am guessing and at least hoping its at 125 because I am running a BFG 8800GTX OC in that slot. I am not new to building pc's but I am very new to Nvidia chipsets and new to adjustiing volts and oc-ing. So any info Beagle or anyone else may have is much apprecaited.
Thanks for the BIOS update Gary. Will give F4 a go later this afternoon.
Thanks for the BIOS update Gary. Will give F4 a go later this afternoon.
Cdfire, where did you get those volts settings at in bios or did you bump it up .300volts in bios. I HATE HOW IT DON'T SHOW ME THE REAL VOLTS. Also if you did bump it up by .300 volts did that just go into the amber part of the volts setting meaning caution? Thanks!!!
Yes that is correct, I selected .300 and yes thats in the amber. I did this after making sure with Gigabyte tech support. I have talked to them about the issues I have been having with after the pc is on for a while, idle or gaming, office xp docs and picture files open real slow. During the convo I asked about that setting and they confirmed that is the correct setting for my ram and safe to do. Someone, sry forgot who, else here also confirmed that was the right setting for 2.1 volts.
The problem I see with this though, is that if I go to oc the cpu I get that warning that volts are not optimized. If I select Auto it resets the ram volts or at least it no longer shows what it is to tell if it changed it. If you dont select Auto then I have no clue what the other volts should be if I oc.
The problem I see with this though, is that if I go to oc the cpu I get that warning that volts are not optimized. If I select Auto it resets the ram volts or at least it no longer shows what it is to tell if it changed it. If you dont select Auto then I have no clue what the other volts should be if I oc.
Cfire So if you take the volts off auto wont they all just stay at default? If not How do we know what the volts are? My cpu says it is running at 1.35 but by Intel that should be the max what is the default volts for the cpu if it isn't 1.35?
Yes they will stay at default with normal selected, unless you change them. 1.35 is the default for your CPU, but its my understanding that if you OC you may have to raise that a little. The thing is I was going for a small oc just to test it out. I have a E6600 stock at 2.4 and wanted to raise that to 2.6. Unless I select auto I get the warning about volts not being optimized for I have no clue what to set the volts to when oc-ing under the normal setting.
In any event I am the wrong guy to talk to about oc-ing, totally new to me. For stock, normal will be default and your set at 1.35v for your processor. I too would like ot know how do we tell what the volts are at when auto is selected. Does this auto select the proper volts for us if we oc? Even so I would like to know what the volts are changed to selecting auto.
In any event I am the wrong guy to talk to about oc-ing, totally new to me. For stock, normal will be default and your set at 1.35v for your processor. I too would like ot know how do we tell what the volts are at when auto is selected. Does this auto select the proper volts for us if we oc? Even so I would like to know what the volts are changed to selecting auto.
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Hello To Gary.
Since there have been a number of inquiries by forum members concerning settings on this board with various CPUs and BIOSes, may I respectfully suggest that you take some time to lay out some basic info, including just what optional settings might be best tweaked to obtain a reasonable OC? With the vast array of possible settings, I'm certainly not suggesting that you list every possible combination of settings. However, you are probably the MOST knowledgeable person concerning the F3 and F4B BIOSes and their corresponding settings with let's say an E6300 and E6600 proc.
I personally believe that you would do a great service for a number of folks who own this board and one of those procs to have this very valuable knowledge. I also sense from some of the inquires, that even some basic explanation about the significance of such fundamental things as linked vs unlinked, etc would be of great assistance to some of the readers, and would likely enable them to understand the interrelationships of these various BIOS setting options and how to best obtain a significant performance gain by a reasonable set of OC tweaks. We all certainly know that none of that type of information is contained in any Gigabyte Owner's Manual, or anywhere on the manufacturer's web site. In a very real sense, forums like this one (and especially this one) have a duty to educate and inform the users of these components about both their faults and potentials. Think about it, where else would someone get this type of necessary information?
We all had to obtain whatever knowledge we might have about these things from somewhere. It is always good to remember that "as you climb the ladder of success, stop every once in awhile, and look behind you to see if someone else on that ladder needs a helping hand."
That's both a suggestion and a request, and if other forum members concur, they should feel free to express that interest in a similar posting. Best regards. TheBeagle
Since there have been a number of inquiries by forum members concerning settings on this board with various CPUs and BIOSes, may I respectfully suggest that you take some time to lay out some basic info, including just what optional settings might be best tweaked to obtain a reasonable OC? With the vast array of possible settings, I'm certainly not suggesting that you list every possible combination of settings. However, you are probably the MOST knowledgeable person concerning the F3 and F4B BIOSes and their corresponding settings with let's say an E6300 and E6600 proc.
I personally believe that you would do a great service for a number of folks who own this board and one of those procs to have this very valuable knowledge. I also sense from some of the inquires, that even some basic explanation about the significance of such fundamental things as linked vs unlinked, etc would be of great assistance to some of the readers, and would likely enable them to understand the interrelationships of these various BIOS setting options and how to best obtain a significant performance gain by a reasonable set of OC tweaks. We all certainly know that none of that type of information is contained in any Gigabyte Owner's Manual, or anywhere on the manufacturer's web site. In a very real sense, forums like this one (and especially this one) have a duty to educate and inform the users of these components about both their faults and potentials. Think about it, where else would someone get this type of necessary information?
We all had to obtain whatever knowledge we might have about these things from somewhere. It is always good to remember that "as you climb the ladder of success, stop every once in awhile, and look behind you to see if someone else on that ladder needs a helping hand."
That's both a suggestion and a request, and if other forum members concur, they should feel free to express that interest in a similar posting. Best regards. TheBeagle
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I definately agree with TheBeag and would very much like to see the requested info.
To Beagle...would you mind posting your settings? I am very close to pulling the trigger on this board w/ E6600 and the Crucial memory you're running. I would like to gather as much info on settings and have that at the ready when I go to build/tweak.
Thanks to all,
EK2K
PS - Now at eWiz for $307
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-N68SLI
To Beagle...would you mind posting your settings? I am very close to pulling the trigger on this board w/ E6600 and the Crucial memory you're running. I would like to gather as much info on settings and have that at the ready when I go to build/tweak.
Thanks to all,
EK2K
PS - Now at eWiz for $307
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-N68SLI
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Good Evening Mr. Eklock. Here's some initial settings to use with your rig: for an OC of 3.6 GHz (9x400), the CPU-V should be around 1.450 total max (depending on the characteristics of your CPU); set the NB @ +.05; set the SB / FSB / HT @ +.15. This should be more than enough for Prime stable operations. The FSB is the most sensitive one to voltage changes and HT multiplier can be left on 5x generally but 4x is also a safe setting. The rest is trial and error with the peculiarities of your specific rig dictating the final result, Good Luck. TheBeagle
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Happy St. Patrick's Day To Everyone!!!
In case anyone is interested, there is an excellent series of articles in the latest edition of CPU magazine all dealing with Overclocking (using an nVidia 680i board), and they include some practical explanations concerning various issues, i.e. video, memory, cpu, cooling, BIOS settings, etc. The neat aspect of these articles is that they are written in plain, understandable English (even for an old dog like TheBeagle - HA!). Even Anand himself (the fine Irish Lad that he is) is a contributing editor to that particular mag.
So for anyone looking for some meat and potatoes (Irish Potatoes to be sure) explanations about a whole range of things pertaining to OC, I'd certainly recommend this latest issue of CPU mag as a must-read. Remember now, don't drink too much green beer on the Good Saint's Day, lest you find yourself in the Paddy Wagon instead of at home by the warm hearth! TheBeagle
In case anyone is interested, there is an excellent series of articles in the latest edition of CPU magazine all dealing with Overclocking (using an nVidia 680i board), and they include some practical explanations concerning various issues, i.e. video, memory, cpu, cooling, BIOS settings, etc. The neat aspect of these articles is that they are written in plain, understandable English (even for an old dog like TheBeagle - HA!). Even Anand himself (the fine Irish Lad that he is) is a contributing editor to that particular mag.
So for anyone looking for some meat and potatoes (Irish Potatoes to be sure) explanations about a whole range of things pertaining to OC, I'd certainly recommend this latest issue of CPU mag as a must-read. Remember now, don't drink too much green beer on the Good Saint's Day, lest you find yourself in the Paddy Wagon instead of at home by the warm hearth! TheBeagle
Once I finish up some board testing I will get back on this one and post up the BIOS settings needed for overclocking.
HELP PLEASE! Ok this has been driving me nuts for weeks now. If I turn the pc on and just let it idle for say 30 minutes, or if I go play games for a hour or so, or even just surf the web. After doing any of the above, if I go to double click on a office xp file or picture file such as a jpg, it takes forever for such to open. I have run Otheos all night with no errors and temps never going over 45c when doing so, I have run memtest over night with no errors, I have swaped out the graphics card with another, I have formated at least 6 times now and even just installed XP PRO, Office XP and Paintshop Pro and nothing else. I am at my wits end and running out of hair from pulling it out. Temps are all good CPU 30c idle 45c under full load Otheos. GPU 56c idle 65c load under gaming. I should say before this board I tryed out the Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6 board and had the same issue. In fact I returned that board thinking that was the issue.
My Specs:
E6600
Gigabyte 680I Motherboard F3 BIOS
BFG 8800GTX OC, also tryed a 79000 GS
CORSAIR TWIN2X2048-6400C4
X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Professional sound card
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200KS 320GB Hard Drive
PLEXTOR 16X DVD±R DVD Burner SATA Model PX-755SA
Thermaltake CL-P0370 92mm Enter CPU Cooler
Thermaltake Toughpower 850W W0131RU ? NVIDIA QUAD-SLI APPROVED, Power Supply
LCD ViewSonic VX922
Stacker 830 case with 4 120mm side fans blowing in, 1 120mm rear fan blowing out, 1 120mm front fan in and 1 120mm fan on top blowing out.
Windows XP Pro SP2
BTW when I first turn on the pc or reboot it, such files open at the blink of an eye. Seems the longer the pc is on the slower they open. Thanks in advance for any help.
My Specs:
E6600
Gigabyte 680I Motherboard F3 BIOS
BFG 8800GTX OC, also tryed a 79000 GS
CORSAIR TWIN2X2048-6400C4
X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Professional sound card
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200KS 320GB Hard Drive
PLEXTOR 16X DVD±R DVD Burner SATA Model PX-755SA
Thermaltake CL-P0370 92mm Enter CPU Cooler
Thermaltake Toughpower 850W W0131RU ? NVIDIA QUAD-SLI APPROVED, Power Supply
LCD ViewSonic VX922
Stacker 830 case with 4 120mm side fans blowing in, 1 120mm rear fan blowing out, 1 120mm front fan in and 1 120mm fan on top blowing out.
Windows XP Pro SP2
BTW when I first turn on the pc or reboot it, such files open at the blink of an eye. Seems the longer the pc is on the slower they open. Thanks in advance for any help.
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Hello Mr. Fire Man.
From what you describe, that sounds like a software problem and not a hardware problem. Do you have the latest version of Microsoft Desktop Search installed in your PC? This is the one that places a icon of a magnifying glass in the tray. If so, I had a similar problem, and once I removed that application, the problem went away. There is also a registry fix that will shorten up the delay time for an item to open. There is usually a 400 ms delay in opening, which can be reduced to anything you want - usually 100 ms works for me. Also, does this happen when ONLY WinXP Pro is installed and no other apps - for instance, does it happen when you try to open a text file in WinWord? If you don't get the delay in a true bare bones install, then it's likely something you are loading that is causing the problem. Best regards. TheBeagle
From what you describe, that sounds like a software problem and not a hardware problem. Do you have the latest version of Microsoft Desktop Search installed in your PC? This is the one that places a icon of a magnifying glass in the tray. If so, I had a similar problem, and once I removed that application, the problem went away. There is also a registry fix that will shorten up the delay time for an item to open. There is usually a 400 ms delay in opening, which can be reduced to anything you want - usually 100 ms works for me. Also, does this happen when ONLY WinXP Pro is installed and no other apps - for instance, does it happen when you try to open a text file in WinWord? If you don't get the delay in a true bare bones install, then it's likely something you are loading that is causing the problem. Best regards. TheBeagle
How would I know if I have microsoft desktop search installed? If it installed by windows update then it may be installed but I did not knowingly install such on my own. I don't have a magnifying glass icon in the tray but I do recall when installing UT2004 that it installed something I think has to do with speach rec of which I disabled. As for programs, I have tryed with just xp pro sp2, office xp and paintshop pro installed since those are the two programs I use the most, well other then games, so far just UT2004 installed, and I get the same issue. Theres nothing on this pc software wise that was not on my pc before hand other then Otheos and Core Temp. Text files open fine in winword or notepad.
Do you know where I can get this registry fix you speak of? I was aware there is one for the start menu delay, but have not heard of one to speed up opening an item.
Edit: Come to think of it I take that back, I did install comodo firewall pro instead of zonealarm pro since I lost my key and was not going ot pay for zonealarm twice. So basically thats the only program on this pc that was not on my last. I will uninstall that and see, but I am still very interested in the reg tweak and the microsoft desktop search you speak of.
Thanks for the help Beagle, I will report back after I remove comodo and run the pc for a bit.
Do you know where I can get this registry fix you speak of? I was aware there is one for the start menu delay, but have not heard of one to speed up opening an item.
Edit: Come to think of it I take that back, I did install comodo firewall pro instead of zonealarm pro since I lost my key and was not going ot pay for zonealarm twice. So basically thats the only program on this pc that was not on my last. I will uninstall that and see, but I am still very interested in the reg tweak and the microsoft desktop search you speak of.
Thanks for the help Beagle, I will report back after I remove comodo and run the pc for a bit.
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Hello Again Mr. Fire Man,
The Microsoft program is called "Windows Desktop Search" and you can find it in the Add/Remove section of Control Panel. I got rid of it since it severely bogged down my PC with repeated indexing of the hard drives (there are 8 hard drives in my system, so it takes a damn long time with 2.6 TB of storage). Things have been MUCH better without that slug slowing things down.
The Registry tweak to reduce the latency of the display is found here: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\CONTROL PANEL\Desktop\ and select MenuShowDelay. Next right-click the entry and select Modify and reduce the number to 100. Reducing the number speeds up the display time, and increasing it slows it down. I hope that's of some assistance to you. TheBeagle
The Microsoft program is called "Windows Desktop Search" and you can find it in the Add/Remove section of Control Panel. I got rid of it since it severely bogged down my PC with repeated indexing of the hard drives (there are 8 hard drives in my system, so it takes a damn long time with 2.6 TB of storage). Things have been MUCH better without that slug slowing things down.
The Registry tweak to reduce the latency of the display is found here: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\CONTROL PANEL\Desktop\ and select MenuShowDelay. Next right-click the entry and select Modify and reduce the number to 100. Reducing the number speeds up the display time, and increasing it slows it down. I hope that's of some assistance to you. TheBeagle
Thanks Beagle but still no go. Was not the firewall, dont have Windows Desktop Search installed and MenuShowDelay setting did not seem to help. Thanks for the help though. Not sure where else to look. Just went out for a couple hours, came back to the screen saver running, windows screen saver, moved the mouse to turn it off and everything was slow as a turtle. Had to reboot. This is just crasy. Alls I can say at this point is I feel like I wasted and am out 2500 bucks. 2500 bucks for a pc thats good for a hour at most before having to reboot. I really wish it was something like the ram, cpu or anything that made sence, but this is far beyond anything I have ever seen in the many years of building pc's. I have absolutly no clue at all what it can be and I am getting very tired of the whole thing, to the point of just taking it out with the trash on garbage day.
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Another Thought For Mr. CDFire Man.
Do you have access to a full version of Vista (either Ultimate or Business)? If so, install it and see what happens. You don't need to activate it right away (be sure to unclick the activation block on the screen where you enter the CD Product Key#), so it wouldn't be a problem for a temporary install. That way you can be sure that the problem isn't related to something that's being loaded on the PC from the operating system. Then load each program that you use, and let the PC sit for awhile between program installs to see if it misbehaves. If it's a software problem, that should isolate the nasty little culprit.
The other thought is to temporarily replace the boot hard drive. All your operating system files AND your program data is being drawn from the boot hard drive. If there's some kind of weird thermal problem causing a data flow slowdown (aside from something either in the motherboard itself or a memory stick) then it's likely happening on the boot hard drive. Also, temporarily take the sound card out of the PC, so that you are booting up with the bare essentials.
Through this process of elimination, you should be able to narrow down the source of this somewhat bizarre problem. Best regards and good luck! TheBeagle
Do you have access to a full version of Vista (either Ultimate or Business)? If so, install it and see what happens. You don't need to activate it right away (be sure to unclick the activation block on the screen where you enter the CD Product Key#), so it wouldn't be a problem for a temporary install. That way you can be sure that the problem isn't related to something that's being loaded on the PC from the operating system. Then load each program that you use, and let the PC sit for awhile between program installs to see if it misbehaves. If it's a software problem, that should isolate the nasty little culprit.
The other thought is to temporarily replace the boot hard drive. All your operating system files AND your program data is being drawn from the boot hard drive. If there's some kind of weird thermal problem causing a data flow slowdown (aside from something either in the motherboard itself or a memory stick) then it's likely happening on the boot hard drive. Also, temporarily take the sound card out of the PC, so that you are booting up with the bare essentials.
Through this process of elimination, you should be able to narrow down the source of this somewhat bizarre problem. Best regards and good luck! TheBeagle
Thanks again Beagle. I dont have a copy of Vista nor do I really want one untill at least the first SP is released, but I will try your other ideas and report back.
In the mean time, this may be a very dumb question but, when installing XP Pro you do not have to hit F6 and install sata drivers unless your using raid. Is this correct?
I ran a couple HD test and even though the drive is a SATA II drive its transfer speeds where actually that of SATA I. I hooked up an old SATA I hard drive as a second drive after running the transfer test on the SATA II Drive and it only scored slightly lower then the new SATA II drive. Is it possible I was to install SATA II drivers during XP Pro install even though I am not using raid? I have two of the 320gb SATA II hard drives and have tryed both, one at a time in the machine, installed XP and had the same issues. So I am thinking either A: I did not install SATA Drivers during XP Pro install of which I thought was only for raid or B: These Western Dig drives are garbage.
I have now, just for a test, put the jumper on the HD that makes the SATA II drive work at 150 SATA I, just to see if it makes any differance at all. I would asume if it does it means I did not install something during installing XP Pro or as above, these drives are junk.
In the mean time, this may be a very dumb question but, when installing XP Pro you do not have to hit F6 and install sata drivers unless your using raid. Is this correct?
I ran a couple HD test and even though the drive is a SATA II drive its transfer speeds where actually that of SATA I. I hooked up an old SATA I hard drive as a second drive after running the transfer test on the SATA II Drive and it only scored slightly lower then the new SATA II drive. Is it possible I was to install SATA II drivers during XP Pro install even though I am not using raid? I have two of the 320gb SATA II hard drives and have tryed both, one at a time in the machine, installed XP and had the same issues. So I am thinking either A: I did not install SATA Drivers during XP Pro install of which I thought was only for raid or B: These Western Dig drives are garbage.
I have now, just for a test, put the jumper on the HD that makes the SATA II drive work at 150 SATA I, just to see if it makes any differance at all. I would asume if it does it means I did not install something during installing XP Pro or as above, these drives are junk.
You should do some research regarding SATA I vs SATA II. They have about the same performance. This is because hard drives max out at about 85MB/second read speed. If you put two hard drives in Raid 0 (stripe), you can get a sustained rate of about 140MB/s. The only thing SATA II does is increase the bandwidth of the SATA lanes to 3GB/s, but this is not the right forum to be in for that type of discussion. The WD raptors are still only SATA I (150) and they are the fastest SATA hard drives tou can buy. SATA 300 AKA SATA II is mostly just a marketing ploy.
I have done a ton of reading and am really just pulling at strings at this point. I have never had a pc that when booted up ran like Indy car, yet after a little use or even just idling for a bit starts to run like a turtle whos half alseep. I am just grabbing at anything and everything and so far nothing seems to work. As far as maxing out, the drives adverage is 67mb/second. I just installed a floppie drive and am half tempted to format and install the so called SATA / Raid but since I dont use raid I dought it will make any differance. In the mean time I am going see if Gigabyte will cross ship me a new board. I don't see it being that since like I said, I had the same issue with the P965 board, but at this point it looks like I am going to spend the next year pulling out my hair trying to fix the problem, instead of enjoying the pc as I should be doing right now. This thing has been kicking my butt for three weeks now,
Get your n680sli-DQ6's:
http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__GigaByte...board,__33724720/search=ga-n680sli-dq6
Newegg: $350
Zipzoomfly: $370
Buy now and get your quad core for only $1000 more. What a deal!!! While your at it, get your Lamborghini for only $250,000 more!!
Newegg and Zipzoomfly are located in City of Industry,CA and Newark, CA respectively...so I think the boards should be stocked locally in stores also. I'm not sure about the East Coast.
I saw some guy on ebay selling one for $320 or something, but he didn't have an actual pic of the board. Just some generic pics.
http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__GigaByte...board,__33724720/search=ga-n680sli-dq6
Newegg: $350
Zipzoomfly: $370
Buy now and get your quad core for only $1000 more. What a deal!!! While your at it, get your Lamborghini for only $250,000 more!!
Newegg and Zipzoomfly are located in City of Industry,CA and Newark, CA respectively...so I think the boards should be stocked locally in stores also. I'm not sure about the East Coast.
I saw some guy on ebay selling one for $320 or something, but he didn't have an actual pic of the board. Just some generic pics.
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