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When you vote Republican you vote for your own death......... Dying from polution isn't an issue

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How can democracy not be dead when the majority of people in the country would prefer to breathe fresh air............ Science says clean the air but the petroleum industry says no through Republican politicians and appointments.

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org www.sciencemag.org

Andrew Wheeler, administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency..... You can read about this piece of shit here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_R._Wheeler

But you have to compete to get ahead in this life so who gives a fuck about others..............
 
Moonbeam said:
How can democracy not be dead when the majority of people in the country would prefer to breathe fresh air............ Science says clean the air but the petroleum industry says no through Republican politicians and appointments.

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org www.sciencemag.org

Andrew Wheeler, administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency..... You can read about this piece of shit here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_R._Wheeler

But you have to compete to get ahead in this life so who gives a fuck about others..............
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How's that swamp draining going Trump. That clown's just left being a petroleum industry lobbyist.
 
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its real.
 
I do believe the WACK-O's are fast becoming the minority. FINALLY! As they say, the squeaky wheel gets the oil, and these anti stay-at-home protesters are squeaky wheels. Their noise grants them a lot of attention yet a false sense of power. They are few in numbers, and certainly not near enough to re-elect this failure Donald Trump. Trump embraces the wack-o's only because Trump believes they will win him re-election, but they won't.
Funny.... but people don't like poor leadership or thinned skinned leadership during a pandemic. People don't like opening the economy while a president still refuses to test. People get tired of all the BS from this president and from his administration. And, people now realize the difference between the good leadership and poor leadership. The people are siding with the good leadership, and that leaves Donald Trump out of the game.
 
Why not, Americans have no problem outsourcing much of their pollution so they can enjoy cheap throwaway junk, let them lower the standards among many others so they can compete on a level playing field with countries like China, then maybe when they start choking a little they can finally understand the true costs of cheap.
 
1prophet said:
Why not, Americans have no problem outsourcing much of their pollution so they can enjoy cheap throwaway junk, let them lower the standards among many others so they can compete on a level playing field with countries like China, then maybe when they start choking a little they can finally understand the true costs of cheap.
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Why shit in your own backyard when your neighbor will let you shit in his?
 
This will almost certainly be struck down by the courts as have most of Trump’s other EPA moves.

It’s weird that the media keeps reporting on these things as if they are actually ever going to take effect.
 
I love how the people pushing these legislative agendas always cry about the bias of scientists because they took grant money to perform research...while simultaneously counting their stacks of cash in their personal treasuries given to them by industry lobbyists. Fucking hypocrites.
 
compcons said:
I love how the people pushing these legislative agendas always cry about the bias of scientists because they took grant money to perform research...while simultaneously counting their stacks of cash in their personal treasuries given to them by industry lobbyists. Fucking hypocrites.
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Nice one. Don't think I've ever had that pointed out to me so clearly.
 
compcons said:
I love how the people pushing these legislative agendas always cry about the bias of scientists because they took grant money to perform research...while simultaneously counting their stacks of cash in their personal treasuries given to them by industry lobbyists. Fucking hypocrites.
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I don't believe that I have ever seen a Trumper not argue that 2 wrongs make a right.

It should also be stressed that environmental policy isn't just a health issue but a property rights issue. Allowing pollution is a direct infringement on the property rights of those being polluted on, with numerous direct destructive consequences, such as loss of property value and enjoyment, increase in crime and poverty, etc. "Conservatives" demonstrate their subservience to corporate interests every time they argue against environmental policy that protects private property rights. Usually because it's not their property getting dumped on.
 
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I'd guess more than half are just terrified of liberals and socialism. No idea how they got that way though.
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There's ample reason to fear socialism, for anyone who has seen its true believers in action. Just as there is ample reason to fear fascism.
 
Atreus21 said:
There's ample reason to fear socialism, for anyone who has seen its true believers in action. Just as there is ample reason to fear fascism.
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If socialism means government owning the means of production, then yes.

The problem with socialism is that the term has become overloaded to the point of irrelevance, and basically everyone is guilty of equivocation here so that the term means whatever is convenient at the point in time it's uttered.

"Actual" socialists (aka. those that want something close to the traditional definition) will dishonestly point towards Scandinavian countries which in no way fit that definition and say, "Is that so bad? It looks kind of nice!" Lots of DSA folks (not necessarily the grassroots, but definitely the ones who go to conventions and call each other "comrade") are in this bucket. While on the other side people on the right, and not just the extremes but basically everyone, when anyone argues for something that looks Scandinavian but refers to themselves as a socialist, will reply "Don't you see what happened to Venezuela?"

The lack of clarity benefits everyone but those who genuinely want Scandinavian-type social welfare.

We need more exact language, and specifically we should have a term that encompasses Scandinavian-type social systems. Even then, you won't find a perfect delineation since in-between positions exist, but it would help a lot.
 
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There's ample reason to fear socialism, for anyone who has seen its true believers in action. Just as there is ample reason to fear fascism.
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I don't disagree with your point per se, the problem here is that a great many conservatives believe that "socialism," among other things, is private property owners trying to stop the govt and corporations from shitting on their property, because they believe that the corporate needs supercede those individual property rights. Which ironically, is a feature of fascism.
 
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There's ample reason to fear socialism, for anyone who has seen its true believers in action. Just as there is ample reason to fear fascism.
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That's true for democracy as well as it sure as fucking shit hasn't saved the world like it was sold as. Same with capitalism. Hell, even the supposedly successful versions of those the people that support them even have grave misgivings about them. I sure as shit do with democracy and capitalism after seeing it be bastardized and twisted into what it is in modern America.

If you haven't gotten enough evidence by now that the specific "ism" isn't the whole issue there, I don't know what to say. We have people riot over fucking made up sports that have no actual bearing on anything. Blind devotion to anything is problematic.

Blind devotion to any government, governance ideal, social construct, or literally any ideal or ideology can be problematic. Doesn't matter what it is, as literally just about every single fucking one has been twisted by twisted people.

Wanted to clarify. Some absolutely are more problematic than others. And while I believe democracy, paired with capitalism, is about the best foundation for a country/society that modern Man can get, if we don't take care of it, it rots and has all the same problems that other forms of government and economic policy have, which is what we're seeing. And it came about via the exact same means that those same problems came about elsewhere, through lies, violence, racism/bigotry, and the like. We were lousy stewards of both and now we are paying for that.
 
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