How long until a new video game console comes out and I can hook it up to my high definition TV and get like 1240x1024 resolution?
When will we have high def console games?
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Probaby not in the next generation because a higher resolution means that more computing power is needed. Since most people don't have a hdtv yet, next generation consoles are more likely to use their computing power on other things that improve visuals rather than increase the resolution.
i dont know of a tv that can even handle 1024x768 resolution. a console would have to be stronger then an fx-53, 6800 ultra, a ton of ram, and etc to be able to play new games for years to come at that resolution and at high definition.
My 32 inch Sony TV could handle 1024X768. I often hook up my computer via S-Video to play movies...at 1024x768 resolution.....no problem at all.
Widescreen 1080i is 1920x1080 (4:3 is 1440x1080). Most TVs can't display all the horizontal pixels, but a few come close.
The XBox can already play some games at 4:3 720p (~= 1024x768) and widescreen 1080i (1920x1080, although it is probably just upsampling and stretching a 480p or 540p signal). The XBox2 is supposed to support 1080i rendering for just about every game, and it should be out 12-24 months from now. I would be surprised if the PS3 (and whatever Nintendo comes out with to supplant the GCN) did not do the same.
You don't think that a system equivalent to, say, a P43.0/1GB RAM/6800GT would play games for the next few years at 1024x768, no AA, no or limited AF, and get 30+FPS? Especially if the games were tuned specifically for the card...
I think the question would be, when will most people's TVs be too crappy to properly show the high quality picture from the game?
perhaps, but i'm just more worried about gaming performances for then next few yrs if a console at these specs came out now. newer games are becoming very extreme and a console lagging at doom 3 and to even newer games like the new unreal engine wouldnt be too amusing.
even so, i'm not exactly sure if my statements will prove true or not, so time will tell.
Consoles are never going to match bleeding-edge computer systems, if only because their hardware has to be frozen at some point, and it has to cost a reasonable amount of money. There's no way that a $200-300 console produced today would match the graphical performance of a PC equipped with a $500 video card (plus $200 worth of RAM, and a $300 processor, etc, etc...), let alone one equipped with *tomorrow's* $500 video card.
However, consoles don't *have* to match PC performance. On a PC, since you output on a high-resolution multisync monitor that can display at anything from 640x480 to 1600x1200 (and beyond), and you can turn on IQ-enhancing features like AA and AF, you can always find a use for more graphical power. With consoles, your output needs are fixed (you're outputting onto either a standard-def TV or an HDTV at a fixed resolution, and support for things like AA/AF is often left out to save money), and you can design the games to fit the spec of the console. If you want to port a newer PC game to a console, you can lower the graphical features and resolution to make it 'fit' (as was done with Doom3 to run acceptably on the GeForce3-class GPU in the XBox).
Besides, since when has the quality of the graphics correlated to how fun a game is to play?
apoppin
Lifer
X-box II is due out next year . . . . should have 'everything' (except the kitchen sink). 
edit: it will be a BEAST and should BLOW-away PC gfx when it is first available.
(just like the original x-box did)
edit: it will be a BEAST and should BLOW-away PC gfx when it is first available.
(just like the original x-box did)
Originally posted by: apoppin
X-box II is due out next year . . . . should have 'everything' (except the kitchen sink).
edit: it will be a BEAST and should BLOW-away PC gfx when it is first available.
(just like the original x-box did)
Would you shut up about the damn XBox2 (which has no set release date, is using a CPU that's largely unavailable, and is using a graphics chipset with no release date and a still-unconfirmed feature set)? This is almost as bad as that "6800 is 12% faster than a 9800Pro" crap you were stuck on a few months back.
And the original XBox hardly 'blew away' PC graphics at its release. Halo looks nice and all, but it's still running at 640x480, interlaced, with obviously subpar texturing and very repetitive (and fairly bland) levels. There have been some real nice-looking games released since then, but none of the launch titles were exactly stunning if you really looked at just the graphics.
Dead or Alive 3 looked Damed good on the XBox at launch and the games just kept getting better from there.
apoppin
Lifer
And would YOU kindly shut-up - also.Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: apoppin
X-box II is due out next year . . . . should have 'everything' (except the kitchen sink).
edit: it will be a BEAST and should BLOW-away PC gfx when it is first available.
(just like the original x-box did)
Would you shut up about the damn XBox2 (which has no set release date, is using a CPU that's largely unavailable, and is using a graphics chipset with no release date and a still-unconfirmed feature set)? This is almost as bad as that "6800 is 12% faster than a 9800Pro" crap you were stuck on a few months back.
And the original XBox hardly 'blew away' PC graphics at its release. Halo looks nice and all, but it's still running at 640x480, interlaced, with obviously subpar texturing and very repetitive (and fairly bland) levels. There have been some real nice-looking games released since then, but none of the launch titles were exactly stunning if you really looked at just the graphics.
Your opinion is just that - opinion . . . same as mine.
:roll:
at least i can provide a few links to support "my" claim . . .
R500 to be ready at end of Q1 2005
R480 to be released in Q4
Fall Refreshes This Year?
I'd say a 99% probability that at least 1280x720 will be standard for next-gen and perhaps 50/50 for 1920x1080. Sony just announced last week that PS3 will use Blu-ray, so at least DVD-HD output will be at 1920x1080. The final HDKs for XBN are supposed to be getting to devs by Q1-05, so we will know then. Sony says PS3 premiere will be March. I figure we will have all of the specifics by May(E3) at the latest.
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: apoppin
X-box II is due out next year . . . . should have 'everything' (except the kitchen sink).
edit: it will be a BEAST and should BLOW-away PC gfx when it is first available.
(just like the original x-box did)
Would you shut up about the damn XBox2 (which has no set release date, is using a CPU that's largely unavailable, and is using a graphics chipset with no release date and a still-unconfirmed feature set)? This is almost as bad as that "6800 is 12% faster than a 9800Pro" crap you were stuck on a few months back.
And the original XBox hardly 'blew away' PC graphics at its release. Halo looks nice and all, but it's still running at 640x480, interlaced, with obviously subpar texturing and very repetitive (and fairly bland) levels. There have been some real nice-looking games released since then, but none of the launch titles were exactly stunning if you really looked at just the graphics.
And would YOU kindly shut-up - also.
Your opinion is just that - opinion . . . same as mine.
:roll:
Yeah, but I'm not going around in half a dozen threads saying that I think the Inq is full of crap.
Can you link to something other than Inquirer articles? Like maybe something from ATI or Microsoft, or IBM?
Someone from the Inq quoting unnamed "sources" is not fact or support for any claims, yet you're going around blathering on like all this stuff is official and definitely going to happen when they say it will.
Matthias99...
Why so uptight about apoppin mentioning the Xbox2? Speculation on future consoles is what this thread is all about... No?
Why so uptight about apoppin mentioning the Xbox2? Speculation on future consoles is what this thread is all about... No?
apoppin
Lifer
Yes . . . but can you link to anything except your own personal opinion?Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: apoppin
X-box II is due out next year . . . . should have 'everything' (except the kitchen sink).
edit: it will be a BEAST and should BLOW-away PC gfx when it is first available.
(just like the original x-box did)
Would you shut up about the damn XBox2 (which has no set release date, is using a CPU that's largely unavailable, and is using a graphics chipset with no release date and a still-unconfirmed feature set)? This is almost as bad as that "6800 is 12% faster than a 9800Pro" crap you were stuck on a few months back.
And the original XBox hardly 'blew away' PC graphics at its release. Halo looks nice and all, but it's still running at 640x480, interlaced, with obviously subpar texturing and very repetitive (and fairly bland) levels. There have been some real nice-looking games released since then, but none of the launch titles were exactly stunning if you really looked at just the graphics.
And would YOU kindly shut-up - also.
Your opinion is just that - opinion . . . same as mine.
:roll:
Yeah, but I'm not going around in half a dozen threads saying that I think the Inq is full of crap.
Can you link to something other than Inquirer articles? Like maybe something from ATI or Microsoft, or IBM?
Someone from the Inq quoting unnamed "sources" is not fact or support for any claims, yet you're going around blathering on like all this stuff is official and definitely going to happen when they say it will.
:roll:
The Inq has been surprisingly accurate - over the last year - on the future offerings from ATI and nVidia . . . unlike your ramblings. . . . can YOU point to where i said, this stuff is official and definitely going to happen when they say it will? You can't. . . . i will post rumours whenever i feel like it - as rumours.
:shocked:
Feel "free" to post in any of these current threads - besides this one - that you "think" the Inq is full of crap.
:thumbsdown:
He's been doing the same thing in half a dozen threads for the last week in the Video forum (see links he so kindly provided).
And there's a difference between speculating about the future of game consoles and posting (effectively) "DUUUUDE!!!!! The Inq says XBox2 will be out next year, and it's gonna be AWESOME!!!!!!!!!one!".
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: apoppin
X-box II is due out next year . . . . should have 'everything' (except the kitchen sink).
edit: it will be a BEAST and should BLOW-away PC gfx when it is first available.
(just like the original x-box did)
Would you shut up about the damn XBox2 (which has no set release date, is using a CPU that's largely unavailable, and is using a graphics chipset with no release date and a still-unconfirmed feature set)? This is almost as bad as that "6800 is 12% faster than a 9800Pro" crap you were stuck on a few months back.
And the original XBox hardly 'blew away' PC graphics at its release. Halo looks nice and all, but it's still running at 640x480, interlaced, with obviously subpar texturing and very repetitive (and fairly bland) levels. There have been some real nice-looking games released since then, but none of the launch titles were exactly stunning if you really looked at just the graphics.
And would YOU kindly shut-up - also.
Your opinion is just that - opinion . . . same as mine.
:roll:
Yeah, but I'm not going around in half a dozen threads saying that I think the Inq is full of crap.
Can you link to something other than Inquirer articles? Like maybe something from ATI or Microsoft, or IBM?
Someone from the Inq quoting unnamed "sources" is not fact or support for any claims, yet you're going around blathering on like all this stuff is official and definitely going to happen when they say it will.
Yes . . . but can you link to anything except your own personal opinion?
:roll:
Don't dodge the question. The burden of proof lies with the accuser (which, here, is you). Do you have anything other than vague Inquirer articles?
They haven't been *that* accurate, and I'm not claiming that I know what's going to happen, just that I think the Inq is wrong (which I'll freely admit is opinion).
. . . . can YOU point to where i said, this stuff is official and definitely going to happen when they say it will? You can't. . . . i will post rumours whenever i feel like it - as rumours.
:shocked:
Here's a few things:
These are all in a thread YOU started that's titled "R500 to be ready at end of Q1 2005 -- Xbox 2 chip UPDATED: SLI and r480 next Q ('04)!!!!!":
Do you have *anything* to back that up? ATI has traditionally gone one process step at a time (jumping 130->90nm would be 2), and tested it out on their lower-end products in the previous generation. If anything, R5XX should be on 110nm (like the X300), just as R4XX is on 130nm (like the 9600 was).
"certainly"?
Here's some more gems:
When you pepper your posts with things like this (and then quote from the Inq), you're coloring the discussion a little bit.
This looks like you're just making things up to me.
Feel "free" to post in any of these current threads - besides this one - that you "think" the Inq is full of crap.
:thumbsdown:
Oh, I do. I just don't want to deal with you, mostly.
And -- man, this is annoying -- would you stop "randomly" quoting "words" in your "posts"? In "English", quotation marks do NOT "imply" emphasis, as you seem to think they do. And what's with "using" emoticons "just" for the heck of "it"?
:disgust:And you constantly mangle quotations (you did it two or three times just in this thread). Put together, it makes it much more difficult/annoying to read your posts.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: apoppin
X-box II is due out next year . . . . should have 'everything' (except the kitchen sink).
edit: it will be a BEAST and should BLOW-away PC gfx when it is first available.
(just like the original x-box did)
Would you shut up about the damn XBox2 (which has no set release date, is using a CPU that's largely unavailable, and is using a graphics chipset with no release date and a still-unconfirmed feature set)? This is almost as bad as that "6800 is 12% faster than a 9800Pro" crap you were stuck on a few months back.
And the original XBox hardly 'blew away' PC graphics at its release. Halo looks nice and all, but it's still running at 640x480, interlaced, with obviously subpar texturing and very repetitive (and fairly bland) levels. There have been some real nice-looking games released since then, but none of the launch titles were exactly stunning if you really looked at just the graphics.
And would YOU kindly shut-up - also.
Your opinion is just that - opinion . . . same as mine.
:roll:
Yeah, but I'm not going around in half a dozen threads saying that I think the Inq is full of crap.
Can you link to something other than Inquirer articles? Like maybe something from ATI or Microsoft, or IBM?
Someone from the Inq quoting unnamed "sources" is not fact or support for any claims, yet you're going around blathering on like all this stuff is official and definitely going to happen when they say it will.
Yes . . . but can you link to anything except your own personal opinion?
:roll:
Don't dodge the question. The burden of proof lies with the accuser (which, here, is you). Do you have anything other than vague Inquirer articles?
They haven't been *that* accurate, and I'm not claiming that I know what's going to happen, just that I think the Inq is wrong (which I'll freely admit is opinion).
. . . . can YOU point to where i said, this stuff is official and definitely going to happen when they say it will? You can't. . . . i will post rumours whenever i feel like it - as rumours.
:shocked:
Here's a few things:
These are all in a thread YOU started that's titled "R500 to be ready at end of Q1 2005 -- Xbox 2 chip UPDATED: SLI and r480 next Q ('04)!!!!!":
Do you have *anything* to back that up? ATI has traditionally gone one process step at a time (jumping 130->90nm would be 2), and tested it out on their lower-end products in the previous generation. If anything, R5XX should be on 110nm (like the X300), just as R4XX is on 130nm (like the 9600 was).
"certainly"?
Here's some more gems:
When you pepper your posts with things like this (and then quote from the Inq), you're coloring the discussion a little bit.
This looks like you're just making things up to me.
Feel "free" to post in any of these current threads - besides this one - that you "think" the Inq is full of crap.
:thumbsdown:
Oh, I do. I just don't want to deal with you, mostly.
And -- man, this is annoying -- would you stop "randomly" quoting "words" in your "posts"? In "English", quotation marks do NOT "imply" emphasis, as you seem to think they do. And what's with "using" emoticons "just" for the heck of "it"?
And you constantly mangle quotations (you did it two or three times just in this thread). Put together, it makes it much more difficult/annoying to read your posts.
Then STOP reading my posts IF they annoy you.
:roll:
I take yours with a grain of salt
erikistired
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haha. awesome.
btw i have to agree xbox didn't really ~blow away~ pc graphics when it came out. imho it didn't even blow away the dreamcast graphics, but that's just my opinion.
btw i have to agree xbox didn't really ~blow away~ pc graphics when it came out. imho it didn't even blow away the dreamcast graphics, but that's just my opinion.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: fisher
haha. awesome.
btw i have to agree xbox didn't really ~blow away~ pc graphics when it came out. imho it didn't even blow away the dreamcast graphics, but that's just my opinion.
Wasn't the Xbox released at the end of '01?
(?)
. . . three years ago
Sure . . . . until the 9700p was shortly available therafter, it "blew away" ati and nVidia's high-end desktop offernings (being more advanced than the then available GF3/rad 8500).
:roll:
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