When will we get FIOS internet, or Xfinity, at 2.5Gbit/sec? Any time soon?

[mnewsham]

For instance an Intel NIC? Not factoring in any software bloat or background processes

For standard TCP/IP yes.

If you're doing LAN stuff that you want to opimize you might opt for 9000 MTU or jumbo frames, which can reduce that 5.5% overhead significantly to be under 1% overhead instead, getting speeds much closer to "true" gigabit.

But consumer WAN connections are almost always the default 1500 MTU which results in a 5.5% overhead making the maximum possible speed ~945mbps, and for most LAN use cases, 945mbps is more than enough, it's really only worthwhile chasing that last ~35mbps if you're doing LOTS of bulk LAN file transfers or similar.

 

[DaaQ]

Sorry for the necro, but I came across this today. Supposed to have WiFi 6 as well, although I have nothing to test with.
Plus my specific service area is only 1gig capable, up in Iowa they are beta testing the 2gig service.

 

[pcslookout]

Sorry for the necro, but I came across this today. Supposed to have WiFi 6 as well, although I have nothing to test with.
Plus my specific service area is only 1gig capable, up in Iowa they are beta testing the 2gig service.
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Nice!

 

[Headfoot]

Wow I am super jealous. I can't even get Comcast to give me something with more than 35 Mbps uplink without paying out the nose for business class, much less gigabit, I dont even dare to dream of 2gigabit

 

[pcslookout]

Wow I am super jealous. I can't even get Comcast to give me something with more than 35 Mbps uplink without paying out the nose for business class, much less gigabit, I dont even dare to dream of 2gigabit

I have 1 Gbps upload but I am not jealous because what is even the point of having 1 Gbps + upload.

Seems no point.

 

[Muadib]

I have 1 Gbps upload but I am not jealous because what is even the point of having 1 Gbps + upload.

Seems no point.

You haven’t had to backup your NAS to google. I would love to have my 1Gbps upload in NC. I hear that AT&T ran fiber on my street last week. Anyone know how long it takes from there?

 

[DaaQ]

You haven’t had to backup your NAS to google. I would love to have my 1Gbps upload in NC. I hear that AT&T ran fiber on my street last week. Anyone know how long it takes from there?

Should be by end of summer. Depends on how they ran it. Do you have a bunch of nodes hanging off every pole?
That's how the Telco that is running ftth did it in my area. Bad thing is we are testing 2gig symmetrical in IL/Iowa are now and I am assuming my rural ass area should go live before end of next year. And this is with hybrid fiber coax.
Amazing what they are still able to do with coax

 

[Muadib]

Should be by end of summer. Depends on how they ran it. Do you have a bunch of nodes hanging off every pole?
That's how the Telco that is running ftth did it in my area. Bad thing is we are testing 2gig symmetrical in IL/Iowa are now and I am assuming my rural ass area should go live before end of next year. And this is with hybrid fiber coax.
Amazing what they are still able to do with coax

They ran the fiber underground. I know what you mean though, as that’s how my Fios was done.

 

[mnewsham]

Bad thing is we are testing 2gig symmetrical in IL/Iowa are now and I am assuming my rural ass area should go live before end of next year. And this is with hybrid fiber coax.

Comcast offers 2gbps here(and has done so for 3+ years now), but it's pure FTTH, not HFC.

 

[Ajay]

Comcast offers 2gbps here(and has done so for 3+ years now), but it's pure FTTH, not HFC.

Same here, but @ $200300/month extra. The silly thing is 2Gb is bidirectional and 1Gb isn't - I think upload is 50Mbs. Dur.

Edit on monthly cost.

 

[mnewsham]

Same here, but @ $200/month extra. The silly thing is 2Gb is bidirectional and 1Gb isn't - I think upload is 50Mbs. Dur.

Yeah though having spoken to a few people who've gone with the service, comcast spends a LOT of money installing the service. They lay fiber up to ~1/4 mile to your house, supposedly they'll spend up to ~$15,000 for the installation on their end.
They also install a pretty expensive (multi-thousand dollar) Juniper ACX to act as a fiber switch handoff, that gives you an SFP+ drop with 2.2/2.2gbps AND an ethernet drop with 1/1gbps, both with their own static IP addresses. It up to you to provide a router capable of 2gbps SFP+ routing, cheapest option afaik was to build a PFsense or similar desktop computer with an SFP+ network card, and a 10GbE network card to handoff to a 10GbE capable switch.

At least that's how it was being installed in my area 2-3 years ago when they were rolling it out.

 

[DaaQ]

But what percentage of Comcast offers that speed?
We have 98% coverage of 1gig service nationwide (in our markets) Introductory price is $79 for 1gig down 50 up.

Now Google 42717 and see the hodunk town that has 1 gig service available to it. (it's not my zipcode btw) but I am 15 miles from our "town" and have 1 gig availability. I am rural as rural can be.

Comcast is Industry leader, and I still hear from people that are limited to 100/200 down max.

Edit: My point is, that it's pretty impressive that cable is pacing Fiber. Cable has always been asymmetrical, well they plan on symmetrical 2gig very soon, and the next bump I heard was to goto 10.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Google's new 2 Gig fiber Internet service costs $100 per month

When Google deployed its first self-built, high-speed fiber network in mid-2012, it was among the fastest consumer connections available at 1 Gbps. Heck, the option for that...

www.techspot.com

Google Fiber rolling out 2Gbit/sec down, 1Gbit/sec up, for $100/mo.

FIOS had better get moving on higher speed offerings!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Google's new 2 Gig fiber Internet service costs $100 per month

When Google deployed its first self-built, high-speed fiber network in mid-2012, it was among the fastest consumer connections available at 1 Gbps. Heck, the option for that...

www.techspot.com

Google Fiber rolling out 2Gbit/sec down, 1Gbit/sec up, for $100/mo.

FIOS had better get moving on higher speed offerings!

verizon doesn’t want to bother with fios any longer. Last few feet costs too much to install and I imagine like all tv providers they know a bunch of tv revenue will be lost to streaming.
I am confident Verizon is looking to sell fios to some crappy company.
Google fiber will never get big either, just too much money to install when we are looking at pretty fast 5G options with zero installation costs and minimal hardware costs which consumers would likely be willing to pay for.

 

[SamirD]

Yay! Faster p...err...iso downloads!

 

[DaaQ]

verizon doesn’t want to bother with fios any longer. Last few feet costs too much to install and I imagine like all tv providers they know a bunch of tv revenue will be lost to streaming.
I am confident Verizon is looking to sell fios to some crappy company.
Google fiber will never get big either, just too much money to install when we are looking at pretty fast 5G options with zero installation costs and minimal hardware costs which consumers would likely be willing to pay for.

Zero installations costs, is only to the consumer, 5G in rural areas is going to be difficult, due to the range on millimeter wave tech. Larger cities that can place alot of antennas will not be as restrictive, but when you get to rural, where you have maybe 5 homes passed per mile, yea putting 5g antennas on utility poles will be expensive.

My point is, it's all about the ROI on homes passed per mile.

 

[DaaQ]

Just curious. I want to be ready for it. (I do have another thread about my LAN upgrade, mostly for my NAS units. This thread is more about WAN speeds, and routers.)

I see that there are DOCSIS 3.1 (2x2 Down/Up OFDMA modems, that offer "multi-gig"), and there are a few routers, now, that offer 2.5GbE-T or 5GbE-T ports, for a WAN connection.

I have yet to see a router, with BOTH a 2.5GbE-T or better, WAN *and* LAN. Though one of them, a TP-Link AX6000 with MU-MIMO and 8 antennas, has a 2.5GbE-T for WAN, and 8x 1GbE-T for LAN, and I think, supports bonding. The singular review of it on Amazon from a purchaser, reports immature firmware, that they can't even get the 2.4Ghz band to function.

I'm kind of hoping for a $200-300 new FIOS router (G3100?), that has a 2.5GbE-T WAN port at least. That might signal Verizon's intent to upgrade their bandwidth on their residential service in the future. Or maybe not. Hope that it's AX too.

So to update on my original entries into this thread.

I was informed today, they are ditching the 2gig symmetrical on HFC coax.

Beta testing is underway in Quad cities for 10gig symmetrical, unless my Sup is full of shit. Because at the first of they year he was the one that said 2gig symmetrical.

 

[VirtualLarry]

See update and news article in OP - FIOS has started rollout of 2Gbit service over fiber starting in NYC.

 

[Muadib]

See update and news article in OP - FIOS has started rollout of 2Gbit service over fiber starting in NYC.

I wonder how long will it be before they offer it here? I don't need it, but it would be nice to have.

 

[mnewsham]

I wonder how long will it be before they offer it here? I don't need it, but it would be nice to have.

They said expanding to other markets later in the year, but I wouldn't be shocked if it takes some time outside of the immediate vicinity of wealthier metro areas.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I suspect VZ wants to sell fios and all wireline stuff and just concentrate on the wireless cash cow. I am certain we will see 5G home internet from VZ nearly everywhere soon.

 

[mnewsham]

I suspect VZ wants to sell fios and all wireline stuff and just concentrate on the wireless cash cow. I am certain we will see 5G home internet from VZ nearly everywhere soon.

There isn't TOO much reason to sell off the existing FiOS market in the north east, it's already in-place, millions of customers, no massive infrastructure build out needed. They've already done the hard work, so unless they think they can get a fair amount of $ for it, seems like keeping it around isn't a terrible idea, it more or less prints money at this point. They already need to upgrade the backhaul fiber to support more and faster 5G connections, upgrading the FTTH OLTs and ONTs for NGPON2 isn't all THAT much more expensive when they're already doing NGPON2 upgrades on the backhaul.

So maybe, but I doubt they'd let it go for pennies.

 

[DaaQ]

There isn't TOO much reason to sell off the existing FiOS market in the north east, it's already in-place, millions of customers, no massive infrastructure build out needed. They've already done the hard work, so unless they think they can get a fair amount of $ for it, seems like keeping it around isn't a terrible idea, it more or less prints money at this point. They already need to upgrade the backhaul fiber to support more and faster 5G connections, upgrading the FTTH OLTs and ONTs for NGPON2 isn't all THAT much more expensive when they're already doing NGPON2 upgrades on the backhaul.

So maybe, but I doubt they'd let it go for pennies.

Are you sure they are not running RFOG or are truly running PONs? RFOG would use AIM described below.

Gigabit passive optical network
Gigabit passive optical network (GPON) uses optical wavelength division multiplexing (WDM) so a single fiber can be used for both downstream and upstream data.

Ethernet Passive Optical Network
Ethernet Passive Optical Network (EPON) is based on the Ethernet standard 802.3, EPON 802.3ah specifies a similar
passive network with a range of up to 20 km. It uses WDM with the same optical frequencies as GPON and TDMA.

Analog Intensity Modulation
Analog Intensity Modulation (AIM) is a laser modulation scheme uses varying the intensity of the light in direct proportion to the analog electrical signal that is applied to the optical transmitter.

The difference in these upgrades would be quite the difference in cost.

What does the FIOS service in the Northeast offer as max? I would be pretty sure it's symmetrical, but what architecture are they using?

Here is what I quick searched on google. Which is not where my quotes above came from. https://www.broadband-forum.org/ng-pon2-council

 

[mnewsham]

They currently use GPON for gigabit service which is available almost everywhere in their network, if not everywhere at this point.

NGPON2 can work concurrently with GPON as far as I am aware, which is why they've been focusing on upgrading backhaul fiber to NGPON2 before worrying about wireline customers and considering they already offer gigabit on existing wireline GPON infrastructure, the only thing NGPON2 for residential customers would give is multi-gigabit service.

Verizon has been doing lab tests and small real-world tests on NGPON2 since 2016 at least, it's main purpose is obviously for their wireless 5G backhaul fiber, but it's relatively negligible in cost to pass those upgrades down to the wireline customers, especially when Verizon has basically stated their goal is to buy enough NGPON2 equipment that it will bring costs down in the market and allow other ISPs to also invest in NGPON2 infrastructure. They've already spent billions on this up to this point, I don't see why they'd bother selling the wireline segment now of all times unless they really needed to. They've already got all the fiber deployed, the NGPON2 upgrades only require replacing the equipment at either end of the fiber.

 

[DaaQ]

They currently use GPON for gigabit service which is available almost everywhere in their network, if not everywhere at this point.

NGPON2 can work concurrently with GPON as far as I am aware, which is why they've been focusing on upgrading backhaul fiber to NGPON2 before worrying about wireline customers and considering they already offer gigabit on existing wireline GPON infrastructure, the only thing NGPON2 for residential customers would give is multi-gigabit service.

Verizon has been doing lab tests and small real-world tests on NGPON2 since 2016 at least, it's main purpose is obviously for their wireless 5G backhaul fiber, but it's relatively negligible in cost to pass those upgrades down to the wireline customers, especially when Verizon has basically stated their goal is to buy enough NGPON2 equipment that it will bring costs down in the market and allow other ISPs to also invest in NGPON2 infrastructure. They've already spent billions on this up to this point, I don't see why they'd bother selling the wireline segment now of all times unless they really needed to. They've already got all the fiber deployed, the NGPON2 upgrades only require replacing the equipment at either end of the fiber.

Thanks for the reply, Verizon not too recently bought Bluegrass Cellular, and they have a tower next to our OTN, and was mostly curious.

I have no idea what Bluegrass has in place.

I work for a HFC network that has an established, although small 10G symmetrical service in operation.