When will we get FIOS internet, or Xfinity, at 2.5Gbit/sec? Any time soon?

[VirtualLarry]

Just curious. I want to be ready for it. (I do have another thread about my LAN upgrade, mostly for my NAS units. This thread is more about WAN speeds, and routers.)

I see that there are DOCSIS 3.1 (2x2 Down/Up OFDMA modems, that offer "multi-gig"), and there are a few routers, now, that offer 2.5GbE-T or 5GbE-T ports, for a WAN connection.

I have yet to see a router, with BOTH a 2.5GbE-T or better, WAN *and* LAN. Though one of them, a TP-Link AX6000 with MU-MIMO and 8 antennas, has a 2.5GbE-T for WAN, and 8x 1GbE-T for LAN, and I think, supports bonding. The singular review of it on Amazon from a purchaser, reports immature firmware, that they can't even get the 2.4Ghz band to function.

I'm kind of hoping for a $200-300 new FIOS router (G3100?), that has a 2.5GbE-T WAN port at least. That might signal Verizon's intent to upgrade their bandwidth on their residential service in the future. Or maybe not. Hope that it's AX too.

Edit: 2022-02-20: Good News! 2Gig is coming!

Verizon Fios begins offering multi-gig home internet speeds in NYC

The provider's fastest plan is available in select areas of the city and will be rolled out to additional markets later this year.

www.cnet.com

 

[Muadib]

Xfinity offers 2Gbit/sec here, but at 300 a month, it's crazy expensive. I think Xfinity uses the Juniper ACX2100, which has 2 10-Gigabit Ethernet SFP+ transceivers.

Fios tops out at 940mbps, so I think it will be a while before they replace the G1100.

 

[SamirD]

The Juniper doesn't surprise me. Enterprise equipment has been doing these speeds for quite a while now so it's just a matter of looking at that equipment. Most of them have sfp/sfp+ slots for 10Gb, and that's what you would need. I highly doubt consumer stuff for these speeds will be commonly available until at least 2.5Gb is commonplace.

 

[mnewsham]

Comcast offers 2gbps here as well. Though they offered it at $149.99/month locked in for 3 years instead of the $299.99/month price seen elsewhere.

Comcast also has a single apartment building in Seattle that is hooked up with 10gbps fiber for each apartment.

FiOS is upgrading their backhaul stuff to NG-PON2 for their 5G deployments, which should eventually mean we will see multi-gigabit service to home customers, but it wont be for a few more years at least.

Verizon only introduced gigabit in april of 2017 afterall, so it's only been 2+ years.

 

[SamirD]

Verizon only introduced gigabit in april of 2017 afterall, so it's only been 2+ years.

In our apartment in the NYC area, we had 500/500 available in 2013 through verizon fios and I believe the next year (we moved out shortly after moving in because of a job opportunity) full gig was available in 2014. This was probably due to having fibre directly to each unit since it was a new construction.

 

[mnewsham]

In our apartment in the NYC area, we had 500/500 available in 2013 through verizon fios and I believe the next year (we moved out shortly after moving in because of a job opportunity) full gig was available in 2014. This was probably due to having fibre directly to each unit since it was a new construction.

Verizon never officially offered more than 750/750mbps until mid-2017, what was being delivered is another issue though.

Hell, they didn't even officially start offering 750/750 until early 2017.

DSLreports forums keeps a pretty good track of what speeds are available where, and when they first were available.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Comcast offers 2gbps here as well. Though they offered it at $149.99/month locked in for 3 years instead of the $299.99/month price seen elsewhere.

Wow, that's almost worth it. It's a Metro-E connection, consumerized, as I understand it.

 

[mnewsham]

Wow, that's almost worth it. It's a Metro-E connection, consumerized, as I understand it.

They still charge a $500 install and $500 activation.

On top of you still have to provide your own router if you wish to use the full 2gbps on a single client device. Their included router only has 1gbps LAN.

 

[Muadib]

They still charge a $500 install and $500 activation.

On top of you still have to provide your own router if you wish to use the full 2gbps on a single client device. Their included router only has 1gbps LAN.

What is the model of router that is included?

 

[mnewsham]

What is the model of router that is included?

From a Redditor claiming to be a Comcast installer, they give you a Netgear nighthawk for use, but most customers opt to use Mikrotik, Ubiquiti, or some home-built solution for multigigabit.

 

[SamirD]

Verizon never officially offered more than 750/750mbps until mid-2017, what was being delivered is another issue though.

Hell, they didn't even officially start offering 750/750 until early 2017.

DSLreports forums keeps a pretty good track of what speeds are available where, and when they first were available.

I'm pretty sure our NYC apartment was off their radar. The Booklyn Nets players lived there so what was available and going on probably wasn't public info.

 

[mnewsham]

I'm pretty sure our NYC apartment was off their radar. The Booklyn Nets players lived there so what was available and going on probably wasn't public info.

Then it must have literally been a single building or block, because the way they have their network deployed, it just wouldn't make sense for them to have done gigabit back in 2014/15 like you're claiming, they had some very firm dates given when they DID go live with their gigabit tier service in 2017.


There are tons and TONS of people in new york city who didn't have more than 500mbps until jan 14th of 2017, when they turned on the 750mbps green light for NYC, and then it was upped to gigabit about 2 months later.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Wow, that's almost worth it. It's a Metro-E connection, consumerized, as I understand it.

I can do 940/880 with fios now. $80 per month, $90 per month on year #2+

 

[SamirD]

Then it must have literally been a single building or block, because the way they have their network deployed, it just wouldn't make sense for them to have done gigabit back in 2014/15 like you're claiming, they had some very firm dates given when they DID go live with their gigabit tier service in 2017.


There are tons and TONS of people in new york city who didn't have more than 500mbps until jan 14th of 2017, when they turned on the 750mbps green light for NYC, and then it was upped to gigabit about 2 months later.

Probably just our building as it was new and no one back then was running fibre right into the units. We had 500/500 service available from day one when everyone else was at the best 150 at that time. And technically we weren't in NYC itself, so maybe that made a difference on zoning or whatever. Didn't matter to us as the Empire State building looked great from our living room windows.

 

[pcslookout]

In some part of my state they have 10 Gbps download and 10 Gbps upload.

 

[VirtualLarry]

FIOS 10Gbit/sec, or another provider? I'm not talking about a Metro-E connection, so much as a consumer connection.

 

[pcslookout]

FIOS 10Gbit/sec, or another provider? I'm not talking about a Metro-E connection, so much as a consumer connection.

Another provider it is a consumer service or home service too. It is $300 a month I think but you can get it cheaper if you bundle their tv.

 

[SamirD]

In some part of my state they have 10 Gbps download and 10 Gbps upload.

I think in a part of every state they have 10Gbps--in a datacenter.

 

[DaaQ]

Just curious. I want to be ready for it. (I do have another thread about my LAN upgrade, mostly for my NAS units. This thread is more about WAN speeds, and routers.)

I see that there are DOCSIS 3.1 (2x2 Down/Up OFDMA modems, that offer "multi-gig"), and there are a few routers, now, that offer 2.5GbE-T or 5GbE-T ports, for a WAN connection.

I have yet to see a router, with BOTH a 2.5GbE-T or better, WAN *and* LAN. Though one of them, a TP-Link AX6000 with MU-MIMO and 8 antennas, has a 2.5GbE-T for WAN, and 8x 1GbE-T for LAN, and I think, supports bonding. The singular review of it on Amazon from a purchaser, reports immature firmware, that they can't even get the 2.4Ghz band to function.

I'm kind of hoping for a $200-300 new FIOS router (G3100?), that has a 2.5GbE-T WAN port at least. That might signal Verizon's intent to upgrade their bandwidth on their residential service in the future. Or maybe not. Hope that it's AX too.

Update:
Just heard today from a supervisor that had been out of town for the first half of the week. He was kinda uppity and gleeful, he said to us we're getting WiFi 6 pretty soon, along with (I can't remember which) either 2.5gbps or 2gbps SYMMETRICAL high speed data service.
This is a big deal for HFC (hybrid fiber coax) providers, as I am not aware of any non fiber providers offering symmetrical service over coax.
I questioned further thinking it would be area specific, but he insisted it would be company wide.
Speculation is mid year next year.
I have seen evidence of them making room bandwidth wise on the carrier frequencies. I thought it was for the VOD launch but alas.

How many providers nationwide currently offer 1gig service company wide?

 

[pcslookout]

Update:
Just heard today from a supervisor that had been out of town for the first half of the week. He was kinda uppity and gleeful, he said to us we're getting WiFi 6 pretty soon, along with (I can't remember which) either 2.5gbps or 2gbps SYMMETRICAL high speed data service.
This is a big deal for HFC (hybrid fiber coax) providers, as I am not aware of any non fiber providers offering symmetrical service over coax.
I questioned further thinking it would be area specific, but he insisted it would be company wide.
Speculation is mid year next year.
I have seen evidence of them making room bandwidth wise on the carrier frequencies. I thought it was for the VOD launch but alas.

How many providers nationwide currently offer 1gig service company wide?

If I had to guess like 5 or 6.

I am still waiting for 10 Gbps +

 

[DaaQ]

If I had to guess like 5 or 6.

I am still waiting for 10 Gbps +

Yea I am not sure but I know it's not alot, was kind of a hint at who the provider is.

 

[SamirD]

This is interesting to hear as our one connection just got bumped from 400/10 to 500/15 for free even though we had 300/25 in our previous location. I'd like to see symmetrical anything even if just 200/200.

 

[DaaQ]

This is interesting to hear as our one connection just got bumped from 400/10 to 500/15 for free even though we had 300/25 in our previous location. I'd like to see symmetrical anything even if just 200/200.

Yes, I am curious how they are going to handle the upstream. Traditionally it has been 3-4 carriers at what is it 28M bandwidth per carrier?
I know my co. in my area is only using 3 upstream carriers atm. Top upload speed is 50M on 1gig service. To go symmetrical they are going to need a 16 bonded OFDM block. Also move it up in frequency to isolate it from transient noise.

Edit: Last I heard we are 5th largest in country.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Yeah, I've heard that DOCSIS 4.0 is coming. (DOCSIS 3.1 FD re-named.)

It would be (IMHO, as a long-term FIOS subscriber) a shame, if cable (HFC plant) operators finally bit the bullet, and offered both speeds greater than 1Gbit/sec, AND full-duplex / symmetric connection support, before FIOS did. It's bad enough that we still don't have working IPv6 on FIOS yet. (Thankfully, no carrier-grade NAT, but they had better hurry up with IPv6 deployment IMHO too.)

 

[SamirD]

Yes, I am curious how they are going to handle the upstream. Traditionally it has been 3-4 carriers at what is it 28M bandwidth per carrier?
I know my co. in my area is only using 3 upstream carriers atm. Top upload speed is 50M on 1gig service. To go symmetrical they are going to need a 16 bonded OFDM block. Also move it up in frequency to isolate it from transient noise.

Edit: Last I heard we are 5th largest in country.

At one of my locations with a different isp, I do have a 500/50 line, but 50up was the max even on their 1gb plan. Looking at that modem, they're only using 3x upstream channels vs 24 down. I think the modems and carrier side equipment will have to change before we move to symmetrical.

Yeah, I've heard that DOCSIS 4.0 is coming. (DOCSIS 3.1 FD re-named.)

It would be (IMHO, as a long-term FIOS subscriber) a shame, if cable (HFC plant) operators finally bit the bullet, and offered both speeds greater than 1Gbit/sec, AND full-duplex / symmetric connection support, before FIOS did. It's bad enough that we still don't have working IPv6 on FIOS yet. (Thankfully, no carrier-grade NAT, but they had better hurry up with IPv6 deployment IMHO too.)

And that would make sense as it does seem like we need a change in the cable infrastructure to support 1gb symmetrical for sure.

I'm surprised you don't have symmetrical with fios. When I had that a few years back it was a very fast symmetrical 75/75 service, but we had fibre all the way to our apartment at that time.