When will Nvidia compete with the 5970 I bought December 2009?

[Skurge]

looks good on that Hilber review for those games. Curious what kind of gains you see from your added 5870 over your 5970 as far as percentages.

Still hit or miss on some I believe even with newer drivers. Someone who spent 1200 dollars on this type of setup shouldn't have to worry about this though. I think we can agree its not as consistent an experience as two single cards is CF/SLI would be. I bet your 5970+5870 is close in performance to quad 5970

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/ARES_CrossFire/3.html

Quadfire looks like its working great here, whenever it isn't CPU limited. I'd like to see this done with a highly overclocked 2600k

 

[Castiel]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/ARES_CrossFire/3.html

Quadfire looks like its working great here, whenever it isn't CPU limited. I'd like to see this done with a highly overclocked 2600k

Why doesn't that review have any 580 SLI comparo's?

 

[Aristotelian]

I went from (1)5970 to (2)580gtx's. I'd have to say the switch, although costly, was right for me. I game at 2560x1600, and I get much smoother framerates. I had nothing but problems with the 5970. Fan is way too loud, and many of the cards had a vibration issue. I still have the 5970 in my other machine that I'm going to sell to a friend here in a month. I have it paired with a Q6600 and it plays all games at max quality at 1920x1080.

If you are running x1080 or x1200 resolutions I'd say the 5970 is a good card. But once you start getting in the higher resolutions its less than impressive.

Did you just compare a 500 euro solution to a 1000 euro solution (approximately?) If you went from 2 5970s to 2 580s and had that experience that would be one thing but there should be no surprise that spending double what you originally did would produce a better gaming experience.

 

[busydude]

Why doesn't that review have any 580 SLI comparo's?

The review came out on July of last year.

 

[Jacky60]

looks good on that Hilber review for those games. Curious what kind of gains you see from your added 5870 over your 5970 as far as percentages.

Still hit or miss on some I believe even with newer drivers. Someone who spent 1200 dollars on this type of setup shouldn't have to worry about this though. I think we can agree its not as consistent an experience as two single cards is CF/SLI would be. I bet your 5970+5870 is close in performance to quad 5970

I pretty much only play Arma 2 but its a resource hog and I saw typical frame rate go up 35-45%, the main difference was fewer dips into 30fps, now it rarely drops below 60fps with 3000metre draw distance and Post processing disabled, HDR and shadows normal all the rest very high (equivalent to 16AF and 4xAA 1920/1200).
I suspect I'm actually at about 75% of quadfire as trifire scales pretty well and quadfire clearly does when not cpu limited.

 

[Rubycon]

I went from (1)5970 to (2)580gtx's. I'd have to say the switch, although costly, was right for me. I game at 2560x1600, and I get much smoother framerates. I had nothing but problems with the 5970. Fan is way too loud, and many of the cards had a vibration issue. I still have the 5970 in my other machine that I'm going to sell to a friend here in a month. I have it paired with a Q6600 and it plays all games at max quality at 1920x1080.

If you are running x1080 or x1200 resolutions I'd say the 5970 is a good card. But once you start getting in the higher resolutions its less than impressive.

I've mentioned this before but asking when there is going to be competition for the 5970 is laughable at best.

Sure if all one does is read charts and run benchmarks the 5970 may appear to be better. However when one actually sits in front of the computer and play games. Oh boy! The 5970 is stutter city. Yes I have an array of 30s and they only time they leave 2560x1600 land is the BIOS. 😀

For me the upgrade from the 5970 was the GTX480. Then I got two of them. Yes they were warm and loud under load but that's ok. The performance and experience was worth it. As mentioned the 5970 fan was quite loud but the actual gameplay experience was NOT commensurable with the numbers plastered everywhere. I had four of these cards pass through my hands and adding another did NOT make things better.

Upgrading to the 580 just proved that the 580 was everything the 480 should have been. Like comparing Win7 to Vista. 😉

I'm not sure that the dual 580 card will be another GTX295 or not. I had those two and they were decent cards. When the Dell store had them for $360 shipped in March 2009 they were nice deals indeed! :awe:

 

[evolucion8]

I've mentioned this before but asking when there is going to be competition for the 5970 is laughable at best.

Sure if all one does is read charts and run benchmarks the 5970 may appear to be better. However when one actually sits in front of the computer and play games. Oh boy! The 5970 is stutter city. Yes I have an array of 30s and they only time they leave 2560x1600 land is the BIOS. 😀

For me the upgrade from the 5970 was the GTX480. Then I got two of them. Yes they were warm and loud under load but that's ok. The performance and experience was worth it. As mentioned the 5970 fan was quite loud but the actual gameplay experience was NOT commensurable with the numbers plastered everywhere. I had four of these cards pass through my hands and adding another did NOT make things better.

Upgrading to the 580 just proved that the 580 was everything the 480 should have been. Like comparing Win7 to Vista. 😉

I'm not sure that the dual 580 card will be another GTX295 or not. I had those two and they were decent cards. When the Dell store had them for $360 shipped in March 2009 they were nice deals indeed! :awe:

Ins't Stuttering related to multi-GPU solutions? If it doesn't happen with your current setup, would means that it is related to the CF scaling on the HD 5800 series which isn't spectacular compared to the HD 6x00 series.

 

[96Firebird]

Did you just compare a 500 euro solution to a 1000 euro solution (approximately?) If you went from 2 5970s to 2 580s and had that experience that would be one thing but there should be no surprise that spending double what you originally did would produce a better gaming experience.

Who's to say he didn't spend 1000 euros on the 5970 back when it had no competition?

 

[Keysplayr]

Ins't Stuttering related to multi-GPU solutions? If it doesn't happen with your current setup, would means that it is related to the CF scaling on the HD 5800 series which isn't spectacular compared to the HD 6x00 series.

I don't see how stuttering has a whole lot to do with scaling. How is it that you do?

 

[Aristotelian]

Who's to say he didn't spend 1000 euros on the 5970 back when it had no competition?

I would think he might contradict that, if anyone was going to. Furthermore, can you supply proof that a 2GB 5970 ran for 1000 euros at launch? If you quickly search google and look at forums, people were complaining about its price, but the price was much lower than 1000 euros.

 

[96Firebird]

No, I don't care that much to research its past pricing. I was just wondering how you came to the conclusion that he paid current prices for a product a year ago...

 

[Rubycon]

Ins't Stuttering related to multi-GPU solutions? If it doesn't happen with your current setup, would means that it is related to the CF scaling on the HD 5800 series which isn't spectacular compared to the HD 6x00 series.

That's what I've read.

 

[BFG10K]

For me the upgrade from the 5970 was the GTX480. Then I got two of them. Yes they were warm and loud under load but that's ok. The performance and experience was worth it. As mentioned the 5970 fan was quite loud but the actual gameplay experience was NOT commensurable with the numbers plastered everywhere. I had four of these cards pass through my hands and adding another did NOT make things better.

Microstutter is inherent to anything that uses AFR. It’s actually mathematically provable to exist.

It also gets worse the more GPU bound you are. So if the GTX480 SLI setup has a higher framerate than a 5970 (which it undoubtedly does) then it’ll appear to have less microstutter if you’re using the same settings you were before.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/ARES_CrossFire/3.html

Quadfire looks like its working great here, whenever it isn't CPU limited. I'd like to see this done with a highly overclocked 2600k

On a chipset thats running on dual channel ram and still have the limitations of the 1156 socket. You can OC that cpu to 7ghz and it will still choke

 

[evolucion8]

With my previous cf setup, microsuttering was more notable when the gpu usage of both cards were erratic. In games where gpuusage was close to 100%, it wasnt notable. Hence, the scaling that I was talking about keys, that was my experience 🙄

 

[evolucion8]

With my previous cf setup, microsuttering was more notable when the gpu usage of both cards were erratic. In games where gpuusage was close to 100%, it wasnt notable. Hence, the scaling that I was talking about keys, that was my experience 🙄

 

[Keysplayr]

With my previous cf setup, microsuttering was more notable when the gpu usage of both cards were erratic. In games where gpuusage was close to 100%, it wasnt notable. Hence, the scaling that I was talking about keys, that was my experience 🙄

Ok because usually, when talking about scaling in regards to multi GPU setups whether SLI or Crossfire, is what percentage of gain can be had in % (percent) over and above a single GPU. Still has NOTHING to do with microstutter. Saying that you "meant" this or "meant" that, doesn't change that. I was just "trying" to get some clarification, and I got it.

 

[Jacky60]

Who's to say he didn't spend 1000 euros on the 5970 back when it had no competition?

I'm to say I didn't spend 1000 Euros on the 5970. The 5970 did not cost 1000 euros at launch-I live in England, it cost £530 as previously stated.

If you'd bothered to read my post (I don't blame you if you didn't or can't) you'd see that. 🙂

 

[Aristotelian]

No, I don't care that much to research its past pricing. I was just wondering how you came to the conclusion that he paid current prices for a product a year ago...

I had researched the prices before making that post. Also, what Jacky60 said. Here in Germany a 5970 is more expensive than a 580, but it's not as if there have been significant price drops on the 5970 (here, probably generalizable to all of Europe) since its launch.

 

[Keysplayr]

I had researched the prices before making that post. Also, what Jacky60 said. Here in Germany a 5970 is more expensive than a 580, but it's not as if there have been significant price drops on the 5970 (here, probably generalizable to all of Europe) since its launch.

According to Jacky60, he paid 853.85 U.S. for the 5970 when he bought it. I'm almost certain that MSRP on the 5970 was 699.00 at one point. In May 2010 there were various price ranges for this card as it was in short supply at that time. from 699 to near 800.00 if gouged. But I don't ever remember it advertised for 1000.00 US. Ever.

 

[Qbah]

For me a single parameter (performance) is not the a final thing of a comparison when talking about competition. The GTX580 is a bit slower than a HD5970, but in no game is the difference game-breaking. However, it offers a lot more extra things that people may value more:

1. it's quieter
2. it's cheaper (at least here in Denmark)
3. no driver / scaling issues
4. CUDA / PhysX / 3D Vision

Since the performance is so close, for me the noise it makes would most likely be the key factor when determining which card is better. Another thing is, why would anyone buy a card that may or may not have scaling problems if there's a competing card with a very similar performance level that doesn't have this issue? Seriously, it's like asking for trouble on purpose. Reminds me a bit of HD5870 vs GTX295 too - blind fanboys were saying the green card is a better buy LOL! Though that one was a bit more extreme (power usage, DX11).

 

[Aristotelian]

According to Jacky60, he paid 853.85 U.S. for the 5970 when he bought it. I'm almost certain that MSRP on the 5970 was 699.00 at one point. In May 2010 there were various price ranges for this card as it was in short supply at that time. from 699 to near 800.00 if gouged. But I don't ever remember it advertised for 1000.00 US. Ever.

Jacky60 lives in the UK. My GTX580s were 510 euros each, while they are around 500 USD in the states. For this comparison to make sense we need to confine it to the relevant region, I think it's obvious that these parts are more expensive (across the board) in Europe.

My initial point was that, even if he bought a 5970 on release date (in the USA - so Jacky's price doesn't apply as he bought it in the UK) he certainly paid more for 2x 580s when they were released, and therefore he should not be surprised to have a better gaming experience on the two 580s. I'm not sure why a meal is being made out of a truism.

 

[evolucion8]

Ok because usually, when talking about scaling in regards to multi GPU setups whether SLI or Crossfire, is what percentage of gain can be had in % (percent) over and above a single GPU. Still has NOTHING to do with microstutter. Saying that you "meant" this or "meant" that, doesn't change that. I was just "trying" to get some clarification, and I got it.

Have it your way :biggrin:

Usually scaling and GPU usage on both cards goes hand to hand. Like I said before, I only noticed microstuttering in games that didn't use both GPU's near 100%. Singularity stuttered a lot and the GPU usage averaged at 45%, I used RadeonPRO tool and changed the CF profile and got a near twice performance gains and no microstuttering, the same thing happened with Splinter Cell Conviction, which couldn't load both GPU's higher than 50%, but RadeonPRO tool didn't work.

 

[digitaldurandal]

The human eye can only see up to 60fps. That sounded like they had driver issues which is a problem for Amd with their top cards.

I really really get tired of seeing this uneducated drivel. Please post any evidence, any at all, that the human eye only can see 60 fps.

You realize that your eyes and brain are not digital correct? That it is not a video camera with some type of out dated refresh rate...

Just link to one scientific source that furthers this claim.

 

[SirPauly]

Ins't Stuttering related to multi-GPU solutions? If it doesn't happen with your current setup, would means that it is related to the CF scaling on the HD 5800 series which isn't spectacular compared to the HD 6x00 series.

Improved scaling may help to some degree and may be less GPU limited, but it was issues with inter frame delays that some perceive usually in GPU limited ares.