When will Nvidia compete with the 5970 I bought December 2009?

[Jacky60]

I bought a 5970 over a year ago and supplemented it with a 5870 last April. When will I see a single card beat it?
It was my first dual GPU card after seeing how long the 4870x2 kicked ass.
When will AMD or Nvidia release a card to beat the fastest graphics card in the world.

 

[badb0y]

Maybe this month or next month they are releasing the dual GF110 card.

 

[Baasha]

the NVidia GTX-590/GTX-595 should be faster than the AMD 5970 but their 6990 will compete with the GTX-590/595 anyway.

At super high resolutions, AMD will win I think. However, they are dogged by poor CrossFire drivers; especially if people go QuadFire with triple monitor setups.

 

[Skurge]

Before the end of this month for AMD and this month or the next for nV, ofcourse these are just rumours.

 

[SolMiester]

The GTX580 is allegedly already a better card, while it is pipped for fastest rates a number of games, it has better minimum frame rates according to Kyle @ [H]...
The next dual contenders are both out Q1 2011

 

[3DVagabond]

The GTX580 is allegedly already a better card, while it is pipped for fastest rates a number of games, it has better minimum frame rates according to Kyle @ [H]...
The next dual contenders are both out Q1 2011

I just looked at [H] review of the Asus ENGTX580. It was the most recent review I found for a 580 there. They tested 5 games. In the apples to apples charts the 5970 had higher framerates, min, avg, and max, in 3 of the 5 games. The 580 was higher in all three measurements in one game (Lost Planet 2). In one game (civ 5) it was a virtual draw. That review was done Dec 20th. Was there a more recent review there that I missed? Or maybe it was an older review, possibly with older drivers, you were refering to?

 

[SolMiester]

I just looked at [H] review of the Asus ENGTX580. It was the most recent review I found for a 580 there. They tested 5 games. In the apples to apples charts the 5970 had higher framerates, min, avg, and max, in 3 of the 5 games. The 580 was higher in all three measurements in one game (Lost Planet 2). In one game (civ 5) it was a virtual draw. That review was done Dec 20th. Was there a more recent review there that I missed? Or maybe it was an older review, possibly with older drivers, you were refering to?

No, that not it...i believe it was from Kyle in the forums, but in all fairness, i was only repeating 2nd hand comments.

 

[3DVagabond]

No, that not it...i believe it was from Kyle in the forums, but in all fairness, i was only repeating 2nd hand comments.

Fair enough. What's that old saying? "Believe none of what you read and only half of what you see."

 

[Spike]

the NVidia GTX-590/GTX-595 should be faster than the AMD 5970 but their 6990 will compete with the GTX-590/595 anyway.

At super high resolutions, AMD will win I think. However, they are dogged by poor CrossFire drivers; especially if people go QuadFire with triple monitor setups.

All I have heard so far is good things regarding the new crossfire drivers with the 6 series, are you seeing something else? Or is that just with quadfire? I have not seen any reviews of the new 6 series in quadfire. I had assumed they would show the same great increase the xfire results have shown.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

why? the 580 is enough what will be the use of it?

 

[Keysplayr]

I just looked at [H] review of the Asus ENGTX580. It was the most recent review I found for a 580 there. They tested 5 games. In the apples to apples charts the 5970 had higher framerates, min, avg, and max, in 3 of the 5 games. The 580 was higher in all three measurements in one game (Lost Planet 2). In one game (civ 5) it was a virtual draw. That review was done Dec 20th. Was there a more recent review there that I missed? Or maybe it was an older review, possibly with older drivers, you were refering to?

From Sunday , November 14, 2010 GTX580 vs 5970 article at H

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/11/14/geforce_gtx_580_vs_radeon_hd_5970_2gb_performance/3

"The Bottom Line

The HD 5970 delivers faster gaming framerates compared to the GeForce GT 580. However, if you look at the actual usability of those frame the picture is a bit different. The GeForce GTX 580 allows a consistently higher level of the gameplay experience compared to the Radeon HD 5970. We were able to game at higher settings with the GTX 580 than we were with the Radeon HD 5970. The most important factor, beyond framerates, is the visual quality and experience returned by the product. The GeForce GTX 580 allows a more immersive, smoother, and consistent quality of gameplay.

The Radeon HD 5970 is a tad less expensive at $469.99 after $30 MIR (and supports Eyefinity) versus the GeForce GTX 580 at $499 currently. If you already have a Radeon HD 5970, keep it, it is a great card and you already know that if you own one. If you are on a lesser generation, and looking to upgrade right now, no question, get the GeForce GTX 580 if you have the cash. The extra money spent will pay off with its higher VRAM capacity, and higher level of consistent gameplay experience. Plus, you can always hook up two GTX 580 cards in SLI that will surely blow the 5970 away, if you have happen to be independently wealthy."

So, pic and choose your review. Whichever suits you. I believe your next procedural course of action is to bring up pricing?

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

The human eye can only see up to 60fps. That sounded like they had driver issues which is a problem for Amd with their top cards.

 

[Dark Shroud]

Has Nvidia even confirmed the 590/595 yet? Because the HD 6990 is confimed and has even been shown as real.

 

[3DVagabond]

From Sunday , November 14, 2010 GTX580 vs 5970 article at H

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/11/14/geforce_gtx_580_vs_radeon_hd_5970_2gb_performance/3

"The Bottom Line

The HD 5970 delivers faster gaming framerates compared to the GeForce GT 580. However, if you look at the actual usability of those frame the picture is a bit different. The GeForce GTX 580 allows a consistently higher level of the gameplay experience compared to the Radeon HD 5970. We were able to game at higher settings with the GTX 580 than we were with the Radeon HD 5970. The most important factor, beyond framerates, is the visual quality and experience returned by the product. The GeForce GTX 580 allows a more immersive, smoother, and consistent quality of gameplay.

The Radeon HD 5970 is a tad less expensive at $469.99 after $30 MIR (and supports Eyefinity) versus the GeForce GTX 580 at $499 currently. If you already have a Radeon HD 5970, keep it, it is a great card and you already know that if you own one. If you are on a lesser generation, and looking to upgrade right now, no question, get the GeForce GTX 580 if you have the cash. The extra money spent will pay off with its higher VRAM capacity, and higher level of consistent gameplay experience. Plus, you can always hook up two GTX 580 cards in SLI that will surely blow the 5970 away, if you have happen to be independently wealthy."

So, pic and choose your review. Whichever suits you. I believe your next procedural course of action is to bring up pricing?

You must not have read the post I was responding to.

 

[Aristotelian]

The human eye can only see up to 60fps. That sounded like they had driver issues which is a problem for Amd with their top cards.

Your first statement is rather general, don't you think? Further, do you mean that minimum fps (say, you could run all games at 50fps minimum and 60fps maximum) is better than having jumps between 20fps and 110 fps? If so, I agree wholeheartedly.

When I look at this post of yours coupled with your other post in this thread, I wonder if you are you trying to say that there's no need for cards faster than the 580 (single card) and 5970? If so, there are plenty of people who need more power. People play at different resolutions and the higher the resolution the more power you need to render the frames at decent framerates.

When I have gamed for lengthy periods in the past there is a very noticeable improvement in the quality of that experience when minimum fps drops are rendered nonexistent. This is why some people pay extra for 'way more than is needed' (subjective-external judgement, typically), because from their viewpoint tri-sli 580s is a) within their budget and b) enables them to play at very high resolutions without much (if any) fps dips below the subjective threshold of that individual.

If there was a card right now with a single gpu on it that had 4x the performance of a single 580 but costed 3000 usd, do you think people would buy it? I do. And they'd likely overclock it, put it under water, and try to eke every tidbit of performance out of the card that they can. There's so much of this "but you don't 'need' x, y, z" that I'm seeing lately, and I truly don't understand it.

On the topic of this thread, the 580 already competes nicely with a 5970 (in addition to being cooler and quieter - historical note, I'm making a positive comment about an Nvidia product!). Which is the better buy, today? I went with 580s, because I couldn't wait for the dual gpu cards (and I think the 580 is, overall, a better card than the 5970, though not always faster). I'd bet the dual AMD solution and the dual Nvidia solution will both be good reference cards, with a performance crown likely being decided by one of the vendors' custom solutions (core/memory clocks, amount of memory for high resolutions etc.). We'll find out soon.

 

[imaheadcase]

The human eye can only see up to 60fps. That sounded like they had driver issues which is a problem for Amd with their top cards.

Stop spreading that myth. Sheesh its been debunked already get over it.

 

[Borealis7]

The human eye can only see up to 60fps. That sounded like they had driver issues which is a problem for Amd with their top cards.

that is so wrong in more ways than there are atoms in the universe.
pick up a 120Hz screen sometime and tell me you cant see more than 60FPS.

back on topic, if nVidia does pull out a dual-GPU card it'll have to be a dual-460 or similar due to power and heat constraints, and probably down clocked as well like the 5970. (clocked at 5850 speeds instead of 5870)

 

[Skurge]

From Sunday , November 14, 2010 GTX580 vs 5970 article at H

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/11/14/geforce_gtx_580_vs_radeon_hd_5970_2gb_performance/3

"The Bottom Line

The HD 5970 delivers faster gaming framerates compared to the GeForce GT 580. However, if you look at the actual usability of those frame the picture is a bit different. The GeForce GTX 580 allows a consistently higher level of the gameplay experience compared to the Radeon HD 5970. We were able to game at higher settings with the GTX 580 than we were with the Radeon HD 5970. The most important factor, beyond framerates, is the visual quality and experience returned by the product. The GeForce GTX 580 allows a more immersive, smoother, and consistent quality of gameplay.

The Radeon HD 5970 is a tad less expensive at $469.99 after $30 MIR (and supports Eyefinity) versus the GeForce GTX 580 at $499 currently. If you already have a Radeon HD 5970, keep it, it is a great card and you already know that if you own one. If you are on a lesser generation, and looking to upgrade right now, no question, get the GeForce GTX 580 if you have the cash. The extra money spent will pay off with its higher VRAM capacity, and higher level of consistent gameplay experience. Plus, you can always hook up two GTX 580 cards in SLI that will surely blow the 5970 away, if you have happen to be independently wealthy."

So, pic and choose your review. Whichever suits you. I believe your next procedural course of action is to bring up pricing?

To be fair he read a different article that was done a month later. I didn't read either so I might just have a look, but if the min and average was higher or equal, I don't see how the 2 cards can be very different.

 

[themodernlife]

i've been a 5970 owner for about a year now, it overclocks about 30% so you can say that it's 30% faster then a gtx 580, which is an entire release generation of gfx cards typically. This spring when i build a new rig i will simply add a 5850 or 5870 to it for another 30% more performance. trifire 5870 is similar to say 580gtx sli, so it is still quite the beast.

One downside is the drivers haven't been working since the 10.5a release last may or june. AMD has literally given up ALL SUPPORT for their flagship card. I will not be buying a product like this ever again simply based on the fact that AMD doesn't even support it. I'd gladly pay a premium a few years down the line for NVIDIA since they will atleast support their entire line of new products for a refresh or two.

.02$

 

[Arkadrel]

Still... 5970 has lasted you a year+ time and its still the fastest single card on the market, and has cheap alternative upg route via a extra 5870, vs 2x 580s in SLI.

Its hard to dislike that... that card probably has another year left in it before it ll need a upg. Unless they radically change tess amounts or add something new to games.

 

[-Slacker-]

The HD 5970 delivers faster gaming framerates compared to the GeForce GT 580. However, if you look at the actual usability of those frame the picture is a bit different. The GeForce GTX 580 allows a consistently higher level of the gameplay experience compared to the Radeon HD 5970. We were able to game at higher settings with the GTX 580 than we were with the Radeon HD 5970. The most important factor, beyond framerates, is the visual quality and experience returned by the product. The GeForce GTX 580 allows a more immersive, smoother, and consistent quality of gameplay.

The hell does that even mean?

If the hd5970 is the faster card, then how does the gtx 580 deliver "a consistently higher level of gameplay experience compared to the radeon hd 5970"?

The 580 allows "a more immersive, smoother, and consistent quality of gamepley" based on what? If this was an argument for the games where it's faster, I could understand, but what about the many more games where it's slower?

Meh, I guess the 5970's 1 year long spotlight was long enough, and they have to advertise the new card on the block. Or whatever.

 

[Arkadrel]

-slacker-

Its a nvidia thingy, like the bad drivers thingy fanbois claim, but they do have a point, in some games nvidia cards have better minimum fps than ati alternatives. Which means even if the ATI card has higher avg, your not as annouyed by that when you play on the nvidia card because you dont notice the minimum fps dip as badly.

But from what Ive seen of avg and min fps, the 5970 > 580.
It is just a faster card,... which is when people start saying.. yeah but its a dual card, 580 SLI will be faster, yes but Crossfire 5970 will still be faster than 580 SLI.



anyways 6990 and the 595 will change this, 580 and the 5970 wont stay the top dogs.

 

[Aristotelian]

-slacker-

Its a nvidia thingy, like the bad drivers thingy fanbois claim, but they do have a point, in some games nvidia cards have better minimum fps than ati alternatives. Which means even if the ATI card has higher avg, your not as annouyed by that when you play on the nvidia card because you dont notice the minimum fps dip as badly.

But from what Ive seen of avg and min fps, the 5970 > 580.
It is just a faster card,... which is when people start saying.. yeah but its a dual card, 580 SLI will be faster, yes but Crossfire 5970 will still be faster than 580 SLI.



anyways 6990 and the 595 will change this, 580 and the 5970 wont stay the top dogs.

You think Crossfired 5970s are faster than 580s SLId? I just looked up the benchmarks on Guru3d and the results directly contradict what you said (but I'm in a hurry and can't post the graphs). Care to back up that claim?

 

[-Slacker-]

Yeah, quadfire 5970 would be slower than 580 sli, obviously, but why is this even an issue?

We compare cards according to their price/performance ratio, not how many dyes they have on a pcb.

 

[n0x1ous]

-slacker-

Its a nvidia thingy, like the bad drivers thingy fanbois claim, but they do have a point, in some games nvidia cards have better minimum fps than ati alternatives. Which means even if the ATI card has higher avg, your not as annouyed by that when you play on the nvidia card because you dont notice the minimum fps dip as badly.

But from what Ive seen of avg and min fps, the 5970 > 580.
It is just a faster card,... which is when people start saying.. yeah but its a dual card, 580 SLI will be faster, yes but Crossfire 5970 will still be faster than 580 SLI.



anyways 6990 and the 595 will change this, 580 and the 5970 wont stay the top dogs.

5970 quad would not be faster than 580sli....quadire barely works and even makes framerates worse than trifire or crossfire in some cases. 4way sli sucks too. 3 is the max that you can get a reasonable return on.