When Will IE Get with The Program?

[Ichinisan]

No it looks horrible. AA just masks the problem of low PPI displays. Fix the hardware problem not use a software band aid that ultimately makes it worse particularly with those that have near perfect vision up close.

I have no problem with this faulty feature as long as they don't mandate it on everyone. It's no different than the music loudness war. Once that garbage is compressed there's no way to fix it. Put compressors in cars, etc. and let the end user ultimately decide how they want to listen, not shove crap down everyone's throat like Nazis...

Even high-PPI displays use some kind of filtering / interpolation / anti-aliasing.

 

[Rubycon]

Cleartype on a low PPI display looks horrible. Comparing that to so-called "retina" displays is hardly the same. Displays should quadruple in pixels if not more and use scaling because it would look better. Later when the hardware can catch up (at least the case with games) they can run 1:1. For text however it would look fantastic.

Cleartype on a typical 1366x768 laptop display is a smeared mess. D:
Allow users to turn it off and there would be no point in this discussion!

 

[Ichinisan]

Cleartype on a low PPI display looks horrible. Comparing that to so-called "retina" displays is hardly the same. Displays should quadruple in pixels if not more and use scaling because it would look better. Later when the hardware can catch up (at least the case with games) they can run 1:1. For text however it would look fantastic.

Cleartype on a typical 1366x768 laptop display is a smeared mess. D:
Allow users to turn it off and there would be no point in this discussion!

I thought you said ClearType was meant for low-PPI displays?

 

[Rubycon]

Clear type is a MS name for font smoothing.
I'd rather see the individual pixels than have a half assed attempt at making them appear smoother honestly.

It's not just MS either. Apple does it and there also is no way to completely turn it off. Theirs looks softer and typically does not produce color fringing around characters. I'd still prefer to have the option to completely turn it off, however.

When I boot into Win7 on my MBP with options set to best performance (effectively killing cleartype within the OS) the text looks super sharp as it should.

I have an hp netbook with a very low resolution display (1024x600) and cleartype (Win7) actually looks better! However IE9 still looks like crap on it.

 

[alkemyst]

Disabling cleartext is possible.

First I would use the cleartype tuner in Windows to make sure it can't be tweaked out...if not then go to this thread: http://social.technet.microsoft.com...r/thread/01c447b1-5c78-4d2f-9968-6eeabc04a68b

look for Roodyster's post.

 

[Dulanic]

My company still uses ie7... Makes me want to throw the computer out the window sometimes. They were supposed to go to 9 this year but they cut the upgrade budget and delayed till 2014 now for the windows 7 & ie upgrade.

 

[olds]

My company still uses ie7... Makes me want to throw the computer out the window sometimes. They were supposed to go to 9 this year but they cut the upgrade budget and delayed till 2014 now for the windows 7 & ie upgrade.

Work is the only place I use IE.

 

[xSauronx]

Oh God...IE7 was the worst browser in the history of browser-dom. It had so many security and performance problems that MS basically said "Sorry...please install IE8 as quickly as possible!:

Why wouldn't they go directly to 8?

6 was worse

a healthcare system around here uses 7, they upgrade from 6 ~ 18 months ago, iirc. their issues are with their software vendors who relied on 6 for certain things. medical software vendors, in my experience, are horrible about updates and standards compliance.

the healthcare system has some medical software they just arent up to date on for one reason or another, but there is also a lot of software they want updated but the vendors are so far behind on things. i remember a guy calling last year about an update to a blood glucose monitoring program...the vendor still requires it to be manually installed and configured on each machine. the software has pretty much zero network awareness. its such a pain in the ass.

 

[Crono]

Even at work I have Firefox Portable installed in My Documents.

IE6 is the default browser installed on my station, but I refuse to use that.

 

[Ichinisan]

I still use Microsoft's Java VM.

No. Not really.

 

[Slew Foot]

They should just change the name to Internet Ad Server

 

[dagamer34]

It's really sad because IE9 is... decent and IE10 is rather standards compliant, but because it will take EONs to appear on most people's computers, they will continue to consider it a turd.

Good lord, software vendors should stop building web apps against specific versions of a browser!!! ARG.

 

[Train]

Good lord, software vendors should stop building web apps against specific versions of a browser!!! ARG.

They did, when IE7 came out.

 

[conehead433]

Chrome, Firefox, Opera > Any flavor of IE I can't can't believe anyone would choose to actually use IE.

 

[TheSlamma]

Work is the only place I use IE.

Here are some reasons Chrome doesn't' make sense in many work environments and frankly it sucks these issues have not been addressed

1: Try to set your cache size in the GUI (sure there is a crappy command line but that blows in mass PC environments)
2: Try to set cache location in the GUI (see above)
3: Make it wipe that cache on close every time
4: By default it installs the browser into your local profile under local settings, anyone who knows anything about profiles (roaming and folder redirection in an enterprise is especially effected) should know this is a miserable location, you have to make sure to download the version for all users but this is not the default option for the Chrome web installer.
5: No group policies

At home I don't use the Google installer either, it's just horrid install location, I use the version from Portable Apps instead to make it tolerable.

 

[bradley]

IE9 is a mess with major website compatibility problems, and compatibility view comes nowhere close to fixing them.

For instance, sometimes clicking open a new tab either never resolves to anywhere or is blank. There's a glitch that won't allow your browsing history to be saved. etc.

I can understand why Chrome recently overtook IE in the global browser race. Although IE still has the most robust overall security.

 

[mmntech]

I find IE9 is noticeably slower than Chrome and Firefox on older hardware. It also lacks the robust addons the other two have.

It also has one small thing that bugs me is the way it caches images. I monitor a lot of webcams for work. When I click a camera link, Firefox and Chrome refresh to the latest image. IE doesn't. It will pull old stills from the cache unless you reload the entire page.

 

[Ichinisan]

Here are some reasons Chrome doesn't' make sense in many work environments and frankly it sucks these issues have not been addressed

1: Try to set your cache size in the GUI (sure there is a crappy command line but that blows in mass PC environments)
2: Try to set cache location in the GUI (see above)
3: Make it wipe that cache on close every time
4: By default it installs the browser into your local profile under local settings, anyone who knows anything about profiles (roaming and folder redirection in an enterprise is especially effected) should know this is a miserable location, you have to make sure to download the version for all users but this is not the default option for the Chrome web installer.
5: No group policies

At home I don't use the Google installer either, it's just horrid install location, I use the version from Portable Apps instead to make it tolerable.

1) Use incognito mode at work.
2) Use incognito mode at work.
3) Use incognito mode at work.
4) It goes to that directory by default specifically so some computers with software restrictions can still allow Chrome. It also auto-updates with no user prompt or vague/confusing UAC pop-up.
5) OK.

 

[IronWing]

Dear IE Development Team,

When I close a browser window with a webpage that is offering up a plethora of malware or other bad behavior it is because I want the window to close. When I use the task manager to kill the application or process to close the offending window it is because I want the window to close. I sure as fuck do not want the ever-helpful IE to restore the window that closed abnormally. Having to shut down windows as the only method of closing the browser window in the face of IE's steadfast determination to be of assistance is rather annoying.

Thank you for your consideration of this issue.
Ironwing

PS: The algorithm Microsoft developed to predicatively select the wrong text when the user attempts to select text works flawlessly.

 

[Ichinisan]

Dear IE Development Team,

When I close a browser window with a webpage that is offering up a plethora of malware or other bad behavior it is because I want the window to close. When I use the task manager to kill the application or process to close the offending window it is because I want the window to close. I sure as fuck do not want the ever-helpful IE to restore the window that closed abnormally. Having to shut down windows as the only method of closing the browser window in the face of IE's steadfast determination to be of assistance is rather annoying.

Thank you for your consideration of this issue.
Ironwing

PS: The algorithm Microsoft developed to predicatively select the wrong text when the user attempts to select text works flawlessly.

Here you go. I added some extra spaces, tabs, and newlines for you. I hope you like them.

Yup.

 

[Born2bwire]

Somebody owes me an apology.

I'm sorry that you had to put up with Alkemyst.

 

[alkemyst]

Somebody owes me an apology.

Sorry for assing up your mom bro. She wanted it that way though.

Seriously though, those 'clearing their browser history' with IE realize most of it is still saved in NTUSER.DAT right?

 

[TheSlamma]

1) Use incognito mode at work.
2) Use incognito mode at work.
3) Use incognito mode at work.
4) It goes to that directory by default specifically so some computers with software restrictions can still allow Chrome. It also auto-updates with no user prompt or vague/confusing UAC pop-up.
5) OK.

1-3) If it was as easy as telling everyone to do that it would be done already, but that is not how it works when deploying to hundreds/thousands of computers. As you can see here http://support.google.com/chromeos/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=187202 that option cannot be controlled. I'm glad they have some GPO's but they need more options here like the ability to force incognito and/or set cache size/limit and location. IMO if they add more GPO options to this their browser will be in a ton more enterprise environments. Personally I'd love to see that. and the -incognito option you can add to the shortcut is not enough, links or other shortcuts will ignore this switch.

4) I know why it goes there, but IMO it's still a bad location. Appdata/Roaming would be better for the browser then all the update files and cache can stay in appdata/local.

 

[Rubycon]

Disabling cleartext is possible.

First I would use the cleartype tuner in Windows to make sure it can't be tweaked out...if not then go to this thread: http://social.technet.microsoft.com...r/thread/01c447b1-5c78-4d2f-9968-6eeabc04a68b

look for Roodyster's post.

Access is blocked here (site protected by password?)

The best way to "tune" this "feature" is to turn it off completely.

 

[alkemyst]

Your ship must be firewalling microsoft forums.

Best way is to tune Cleartype. If that doesn't work then turn it off.

That thread I mentioned shows you how. Use your phone if your ship PC is blocked.