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MagnusTheBrewer

MagnusTheBrewer

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skyking said:
I don't need any outside validation.
"I believe to be meaningful , our standards and perception must come from something outside beyond ourselves."
I don't feel that way at all.
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If you want to be a better human, you can not rely on yourself because we're all flawed individuals. I have many regrets over the decisions I've made in my own but, I've never regretted the choices I've made following God's word. No man is an island.
 
sandorski

sandorski

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MagnusTheBrewer said:
If you want to be a better human, you can not rely on yourself because we're all flawed individuals. I have many regrets over the decisions I've made in my own but, I've never regretted the choices I've made following God's word. No man is an island.
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You have relied on yourself. Taking advice from a book to improve your life was a choice You made. Your choice of book and how you view it I take issue with, but the people who wrote it had good intentions and were even right about some things, so if one separates the wheat from the chaff some guidance can be gleaned from it.
 
MagnusTheBrewer

MagnusTheBrewer

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sandorski said:
You have relied on yourself. Taking advice from a book to improve your life was a choice You made. Your choice of book and how you view it I take issue with, but the people who wrote it had good intentions and were even right about some things, so if one separates the wheat from the chaff some guidance can be gleaned from it.
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Sorry, that's not relying on yourself, that's recognizing good ideas and following them.
 
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whm1974

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I take issue with the Carm article on several points. For one Atheist are not asking theists to change atheists minds to accept a subjective belief, but for actual evidence that shows your god actually exist. And what experiments were performed and repeated to provide the evidence?
 
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OccamsToothbrush

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MagnusTheBrewer said:
ALL of your so called "broken promises and failures" are within people's ability to solve. If God stepped in to solve your problems on a daily basis, there would be no free will.
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GOD PROMISED TO DO THOSE THINGS. He didn't leave it up to us, he promised to provide those services to the idiots who follow him and he doesn't. Read your own fairy tales.
 
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OccamsToothbrush

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JEDIYoda said:
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So you want something for nothing in return?
Sounds like you are terified to admit that we have a responsibility to feed the hungry and comfort the hurting....etc.....
To take care of the less fortunate...…
It`s to easy and by the way a total cop out to say -- there is no Jesus because all these bad things are happenning in the world....
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Your pathetic impotent mass murderer struck a bargain with humanity. He never offered something for nothing. He offered specific services to those who follow him, love him, spread his word of hatred and exclusion and commit atrocities in his name. But HE RENEGED ON THAT DEAL. Try to get that through your head. God proposed that bargain and god punked out like the little bitch he is. The people like you who pretend to believe when it's convenient and when what he wants doesn't get in the way of what you want DON'T GET ANYTHING FROM HIM. I spit in his face, call him a murderer, a delusion of the feeble minded, a liar, a criminal and useless and he gives me the same thing he gives to his followers. NOTHING.
 
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whm1974 said:
Near Death Experiences are very common and what or who you see is very cultural specific. Atheist are simply folks who lack any god beliefs, nothing more.
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See, I disagree with that. Even the blowhard wannabelievers are atheists. In the last 4000 years or so of "modern" humans with some sort of written record people have invented about 10,000 gods, demigods and other divine, immortal beings who supposedly control humanity and the entire universe. If you followed that back to pre-history over hundreds of thousands of years it's probably millions of gods, people huddled around a fire worshiping the wind the stars and the sun and the green gunk growing in their beards. The people who *claim* to believe in god once they either find or invent one who lets them do exactly what they were going to do anyway and mandates that they hate the people they were going to hate anyway, those people disbelieve in all those other gods. Do the braindead believers who pretend to follow Christ also follow Odin, Zeus, Ra, Zoroaster and Ganesh? Of course not. They look at 9,999 gods and say "what a load of rubbish!! Who can possibly believe in a god with a giant hammer or a blue elephant. Give me somebody that walks on water and rises from the dead and is one third of a single being that includes a Holy Ghost because that makes perfect sense!!".

We're all atheists. You and I and reasonable people say all 10,000 of those gods are utter bullshit. The easily manipulated sheep say 9,999 of those gods are utter bullshit, but that theirs is real. We agree that 99.99% of gods are fictional products of delusional minds. We just disagree on that last .01%

But unlike them, I'm open minded. I don't care about flunkies and I loathe people who claim that THEY speak for god. I'm willing to believe in god if he takes time away from his busy schedule of DOING NOTHING AT ALL and sends me a personal message of what he wants and what he expects of me. So go ahead god, make yourself known right now!! Gee, nothing? What a shock.
 
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OccamsToothbrush

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sandorski said:
I did, it isn't.

You do not follow "God", you follow the Ideas of Ancient People. Some of their ideas are still useful, but many were wrong and harmful.
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Remember that those ancient people were the least sane of the ancients. If a person now sits on a street corner screaming out that the voice in his head demands that we burn cattle, take slaves and commit mass murder we would assume that he's sick, schizophrenic and dangerous. If a person did that 2000 years ago in the middle east Magnus calls him a prophet of the lord and lives his life according to the nonsense that spewed forth.

THAT is who wrote the religious books. It wasn't the wise, the educated, the most intelligent cream of the crop of humanity. It was psychopaths with voices in their heads.
 
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OccamsToothbrush said:
Remember that those ancient people were the least sane of the ancients. If a person now sits on a street corner screaming out that the voice in his head demands that we burn cattle, take slaves and commit mass murder we would assume that he's sick, schizophrenic and dangerous. If a person did that 2000 years ago in the middle east Magnus calls him a prophet of the lord and lives his life according to the nonsense that spewed forth.
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John Bolton and other Neo-Cons exist, so not all crazy people look crazy. Well, Homeless Crazy anyway.
 
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whm1974

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OccamsToothbrush said:
See, I disagree with that. Even the blowhard wannabelievers are atheists. In the last 4000 years or so of "modern" humans with some sort of written record people have invented about 10,000 gods, demigods and other divine, immortal beings who supposedly control humanity and the entire universe. If you followed that back to pre-history over hundreds of thousands of years it's probably millions of gods, people huddled around a fire worshiping the wind the stars and the sun and the green gunk growing in their beards. The people who *claim* to believe in god once they either find or invent one who lets them do exactly what they were going to do anyway and mandates that they hate the people they were going to hate anyway, those people disbelieve in all those other gods. Do the braindead believers who pretend to follow Christ also follow Odin, Zeus, Ra, Zoroaster and Ganesh? Of course not. They look at 9,999 gods and say "what a load of rubbish!! Who can possibly believe in a god with a giant hammer or a blue elephant. Give me somebody that walks on water and rises from the dead and is one third of a single being that includes a Holy Ghost because that makes perfect sense!!".

We're all atheists. You and I and reasonable people say all 10,000 of those gods are utter bullshit. The easily manipulated sheep say 9,999 of those gods are utter bullshit, but that theirs is real. We agree that 99.99% of gods are fictional products of delusional minds. We just disagree on that last .01%

But unlike them, I'm open minded. I don't care about flunkies and I loathe people who claim that THEY speak for god. I'm willing to believe in god if he takes time away from his busy schedule of DOING NOTHING AT ALL and sends me a personal message of what he wants and what he expects of me. So go ahead god, make yourself known right now!! Gee, nothing? What a shock.
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Which part do disagree with? NDE are commonplace or that atheists lack any god beliefs? This definition of atheist also includes a good number of agnostics since they take the position that God is unknowable. Agnostics can be either atheist or theist depending whither or not they they lack a god belief or don't.
 
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OccamsToothbrush

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whm1974 said:
Which part do disagree with? NDE are commonplace or that atheists lack any god beliefs? This definition of atheist also includes a good number of agnostics since they take the position that God is unknowable. Agnostics can be either atheist or theist depending whither or not they they lack a god belief or don't.
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Only the part that atheists are the ones that lack belief in gods. Theists are perhaps even more vehement in their scorn of gods as imaginary, evil and only worshiped by complete idiots. Somehow they fail to see the irony in that.
 
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JEDIYoda

JEDIYoda

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OccamsToothbrush said:
Only the part that atheists are the ones that lack belief in gods. Theists are perhaps even more vehement in their scorn of gods as imaginary, evil and only worshiped by complete idiots. Somehow they fail to see the irony in that.
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Atheism is, in the broadest sense, an absence of belief in the existence of deities. Less broadly, atheism is a rejection of the belief that any deities exist. In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which, in its most general form, is the belief that at least one deity exists.
 
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