When drafted.....will you choose Iraq or North Korea?

[Mill]

Originally posted by: TheEvil1
I can spell. Typing is my issue. That and i just dont give a sh!t what you think about my spelling. you obviously understoon what i was saying.

and IIRC in this country i have freedom of choice and i choose NOT to be in the army. End of story

*Buzz* Incorrect. As far as the draft is concerned you DO NOT have a choice. End of story.

 

[woodie1]

..... and peopel should NEVER be obligated to fight for something they dont beleive in

I guess we all can just pick and choose which war we want to fight in. To hell with the country.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Mellineum - <<Now I don't want to jump the gun and invade Iraq without more proof right now. I do want us to build up troops, map targets and prepare a war plan. When Iraq decides to expel the Weapon Inspectors I want bombs to rain down on Baghdad that night. If Iraq continues to allow inspections and no evidence of any kind is found of a program to develop WMD is found then we can stop rattling sabers in the direction of Iraq and focus on those pesky N. Koreans.>>

This is a statement that I agree with most whole-heartedly. I'm afraid, however, that even if the inspectors don't find anything...we'll find some reason to go in. I'm curious to know what your opinion is on that. I'm curious to know what your opinion is of people refusing to fight if our government sends the troops in without any evidence recovered by the inspectors.

That is something that we will have to wait and see about. I firmly believe that Saddam is developing WMD but they could easily be moved about the country or to Syria. It would be very hard for the Inspectors to cover every square inch and all Saddam's bunkers and especially Syria without getting a new UN resolution. Now as for attacking without proof I personally wouldn't like it but I wouldn't be upset about it either. I feel that Saddam is a threat not only with WMD but also with conventional weapons such as SCUDS aimed and Israel. Saddam could make a very bad Middle East situation go even worse. As for those that refuse to fight if evidence isn't find I don't really care. There is not going to be a draft, but if they were I would still go and serve because Lord knows most people didn't want to go to Vietnam and I am no better than them. Those who "choose" to dodge the draft(if there was one) they should be tried and convicted just like those from Vietnam(although did most of them not get pardoned?) and not allowed to reenter the country.

 

[Soybomb]

Originally posted by: Millennium

First of all I never advocated killing or bombing civilians. Baghdad is Saddam's C&C and nerve center. It has to be hit first with surgical strikes. Don't twist my word and imply that I said something that I did not. Secondly Mutual Assured Destruction means nothing to Saddam as he does not care about his people nor us. We can prevent Iraq from getting WMD by having Weapons Inspectors and a military presence is the region. Saying they will get them eventually might be probable or inprobable but I would rather reduce the risk right now while we have the chance. As far the countries such as India, China, or Pakistan that have WMD it is not as much of a threat because they believe in diplomacy and tend to not use WMD on their on people.

There was no attempted twisting or words, just what I thought of when I about raining bombs. Doesn't bring to mind images of surgical precision to me.

And I think MAD does play a role here because while he may not care about his people, he has nothing if there are no people left to fight for him. He can hide, but if he has no army and no country, he's gotten no where. Using them against his own people is one thing, using them again someone who will strike back in a severe fashion is a different.

I still don't feel there is enough evidence to support an attack, and if there is I don't see why the US should be the one responsible for dealing out all of the hurt.

While there are some legitimate issues to look at here don't you think we're also trying to pick a fight?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Soybomb

Originally posted by: Millennium

First of all I never advocated killing or bombing civilians. Baghdad is Saddam's C&C and nerve center. It has to be hit first with surgical strikes. Don't twist my word and imply that I said something that I did not. Secondly Mutual Assured Destruction means nothing to Saddam as he does not care about his people nor us. We can prevent Iraq from getting WMD by having Weapons Inspectors and a military presence is the region. Saying they will get them eventually might be probable or inprobable but I would rather reduce the risk right now while we have the chance. As far the countries such as India, China, or Pakistan that have WMD it is not as much of a threat because they believe in diplomacy and tend to not use WMD on their on people.

There was no attempted twisting or words, just what I thought of when I about raining bombs. Doesn't bring to mind images of surgical precision to me.

And I think MAD does play a role here because while he may not care about his people, he has nothing if there are no people left to fight for him. He can hide, but if he has no army and no country, he's gotten no where. Using them against his own people is one thing, using them again someone who will strike back in a severe fashion is a different.

I still don't feel there is enough evidence to support an attack, and if there is I don't see why the US should be the one responsible for dealing out all of the hurt.

While there are some legitimate issues to look at here don't you think we're also trying to pick a fight?

If we wanted to pick a fight we could overrun the entire continent of Africa in about 20 minutes. Iraq isn't the easiest person to "pick on" nor do I think MAD even crosses Saddam's mind.

 

[Soybomb]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Soybomb

Originally posted by: Millennium

First of all I never advocated killing or bombing civilians. Baghdad is Saddam's C&C and nerve center. It has to be hit first with surgical strikes. Don't twist my word and imply that I said something that I did not. Secondly Mutual Assured Destruction means nothing to Saddam as he does not care about his people nor us. We can prevent Iraq from getting WMD by having Weapons Inspectors and a military presence is the region. Saying they will get them eventually might be probable or inprobable but I would rather reduce the risk right now while we have the chance. As far the countries such as India, China, or Pakistan that have WMD it is not as much of a threat because they believe in diplomacy and tend to not use WMD on their on people.

There was no attempted twisting or words, just what I thought of when I about raining bombs. Doesn't bring to mind images of surgical precision to me.

And I think MAD does play a role here because while he may not care about his people, he has nothing if there are no people left to fight for him. He can hide, but if he has no army and no country, he's gotten no where. Using them against his own people is one thing, using them again someone who will strike back in a severe fashion is a different.

I still don't feel there is enough evidence to support an attack, and if there is I don't see why the US should be the one responsible for dealing out all of the hurt.

While there are some legitimate issues to look at here don't you think we're also trying to pick a fight?

If we wanted to pick a fight we could overrun the entire continent of Africa in about 20 minutes. Iraq isn't the easiest person to "pick on" nor do I think MAD even crosses Saddam's mind.

Seems like a pretty easy country to me given army sizes, technology differences, citizens that want to over throw the government there, etc. He may be a little crazy but I don't think he's dumb enough to not consider what could take him out of power completely.

edit: I'm going to go exercise my freedom of choice over the applebee's menu, I'll be back this evening

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: TheEvil1
I can spell. Typing is my issue. That and i just dont give a sh!t what you think about my spelling. you obviously understoon what i was saying.

and IIRC in this country i have freedom of choice and i choose NOT to be in the army. End of story

Yeah, who gave you the oppertunity to enjoy all these freedoms and how was it acheived? Aside from that, I can understand you being to afraid or spoiled to be able to tolerate military life and as I said, and has been said frquently, the possibility of a draft is so remote that disscusing it is mute at this point. The military, all branches have all the manpower the need right now from men and women whom do feel like giving something back to the country which has given them and their families so much and, there will be, as there always is, the influx of thousands of men and women should a campaign begin. So no, you're not needed, it's just sad to hear from people like myself whom served, and especially for all those whom gave their lives in Vietnam, Korea, WWII, WWI, and so on. I was at my local VFW Post before X-Mas and talked with several older vetrans whom were discussing exactly this and one hit the nail right on the button, he said "none of todays kids have ever had to live through hard times or threats, everything they have is taken for granted. Most of them have no idea how hard things were and how it's like to do without and have most of the men in your family gone defending the very country we live in not knowing if they will ever return." I agree, it's been so long ago nowsince times have been REALLY hard or there has been a major conflict that most kids have no idea why those men and women gave their lives or how hard the people of this country worked and suffered to assure we would continue to have all that we have.

You do what you want, just try to remember what it took to give you all that you have!

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Soybomb

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Soybomb

Originally posted by: Millennium

First of all I never advocated killing or bombing civilians. Baghdad is Saddam's C&C and nerve center. It has to be hit first with surgical strikes. Don't twist my word and imply that I said something that I did not. Secondly Mutual Assured Destruction means nothing to Saddam as he does not care about his people nor us. We can prevent Iraq from getting WMD by having Weapons Inspectors and a military presence is the region. Saying they will get them eventually might be probable or inprobable but I would rather reduce the risk right now while we have the chance. As far the countries such as India, China, or Pakistan that have WMD it is not as much of a threat because they believe in diplomacy and tend to not use WMD on their on people.

There was no attempted twisting or words, just what I thought of when I about raining bombs. Doesn't bring to mind images of surgical precision to me.

And I think MAD does play a role here because while he may not care about his people, he has nothing if there are no people left to fight for him. He can hide, but if he has no army and no country, he's gotten no where. Using them against his own people is one thing, using them again someone who will strike back in a severe fashion is a different.

I still don't feel there is enough evidence to support an attack, and if there is I don't see why the US should be the one responsible for dealing out all of the hurt.

While there are some legitimate issues to look at here don't you think we're also trying to pick a fight?

If we wanted to pick a fight we could overrun the entire continent of Africa in about 20 minutes. Iraq isn't the easiest person to "pick on" nor do I think MAD even crosses Saddam's mind.

Seems like a pretty easy country to me given army sizes, technology differences, citizens that want to over throw the government there, etc. He may be a little crazy but I don't think he's dumb enough to not consider what could take him out of power completely.

You don't think invading Kuwait, shooting SCUDS at Tel Aviv, or using gas on the Kurds and Iran was a tad bit INSANE to you? These are not the acts of a sane man. Funny, but almost all of Saddam's attack have been directed at Civilians. The Iraqi army is much smaller than 12 years ago but it is a battle hardened army that will be fighting in their own country to repulse invaders. They have been doing that for thousands of years.

 

[Gaard]

Thanks for thr reply M. Although there are certain points that we disagree on, it's refreshing to see someone without the I think we should nuke 'em because P Bush and the TV says they're bad mentality.

IMO, proof and evidence are the key ingredients to this conflict (can we call it a conflict yet?). You can't have proof without evidence, and it's my opinion that you can't have evidence without proof. If we have both, I'd support anything our government decided to do (within reason), but I'll never support an attack when our government simply tells us that they are in possession of both, without telling/showing me what it is.

 

[nickname1]

darn it..

 

[nickname1]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

there's the voice of reason. besides, Canada doesn't start stupid wars every other year, and you can have pot delivered right to your front door. i'd rather be smoking a philly than getting shot and murdered. anyone with me?

Well if everyone felt that way, we'd all be speaking German and wearing swastikas professing our loyalty to the Nazi party. I mean, everyone knows that people join the military because getting shot and killed is near the top of everyone's list of favorite things to do; there are NO other reasons one might join the military, such as service to one's country, protecting one's freedom, defeating oppressive regimes, or any frivolous things like that.

Thank goodness not all men are lacking a pair. Go to Canada, they don't seem to mind cowards (since they have us to protect them).

The Germans were going to lose that war before we ever crossed the English Channel with American troops. Hitler was not only a Nutjob, but a huge military moron as well, and that government communicated even less between departments than our own government does today. Their technology was very superior at the start of the war, but since each branch of the govt fought each other for funding programs like jet technology and the V2 were put of and never really a factor for the Germans.

Iraq learned alot by their losses in the Gulf war. Saddam has NO intention of fighting any American troops out on open terrain where our more advanced technology will shred the Iraqi army. This war will be fought in the cities, building by building and will just be a nightmare.

If I was Israel I would be afraid, because Iraq can't touch America with any WMD through balistic missile technology, the only WMD they could bring to the USA they would have to ship over or carry over, and a nuclear warhead is pretty damn large. NK is in a similar situation, they could hit Alaska with a nuke, but thats it, and Alaska isn't a very big strategic target *yet*. Tokyo and Seoul should definately be worried. NK is China's problem, rather than talk nasty and threaten war with NK, we (and the other Asian theater nations) should press China to clean up their damn mess, or at least lead the charge to invade.

If you take out Saddam you have to get BOTH of his sons too, because one is a crazy psycho who would already be fighting many wars, and the other one is very smart, quiet, and as dangerous as daddy.

 

[StageLeft]

I'll be 25 in January and I'm a citizen of Canada. Who's gonna draft me?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I'll be 25 in January and I'm a citizen of Canada. Who's gonna draft me?

Satan drafted you a long time ago to be in his dark army.

 

[BarneyFife]

You don't think invading Kuwait, shooting SCUDS at Tel Aviv, or using gas on the Kurds and Iran was a tad bit INSANE to you? These are not the acts of a sane man. Funny, but almost all of Saddam's attack have been directed at Civilians. The Iraqi army is much smaller than 12 years ago but it is a battle hardened army that will be fighting in their own country to repulse invaders. They have been doing that for thousands of years.

I don't think it was insane. He was protecting himself from losing power. Tossing nerve gas into another country would be insane.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I'll be 25 in January and I'm a citizen of Canada. Who's gonna draft me?

Being 25 wont keep you from being drafted, it may keep you from being first in line.

 

[Ylen13]

being 25 u will get draft.However im 21 never registered and will never do se and will never get drafted.So good luck to everyone that did registered because the law said u have to.Good luck.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

You don't think invading Kuwait, shooting SCUDS at Tel Aviv, or using gas on the Kurds and Iran was a tad bit INSANE to you? These are not the acts of a sane man. Funny, but almost all of Saddam's attack have been directed at Civilians. The Iraqi army is much smaller than 12 years ago but it is a battle hardened army that will be fighting in their own country to repulse invaders. They have been doing that for thousands of years.

I don't think it was insane. He was protecting himself from losing power. Tossing nerve gas into another country would be insane.

Umm he did do that. Iran.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Ylen13
being 25 u will get draft.However im 21 never registered and will never do se and will never get drafted.So good luck to everyone that did registered because the law said u have to.Good luck.

Good you are committing a crime. THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT anyway. As for you I hope the Feds catch up with you and you go to jail.

 

[BarneyFife]

Isn't it a bit hypocritical that Bush doesn't enroll his daughters or his nephews in the army? How come the rich kids get excused but if a poor kid doesn't want to go he's satan and should be shipped to Yemen. Many parents feel the same way. Why should I send my son to some remote jungle in Korea, yet Jeb Bush isn't sending his son there? I wish more people would see through this instead of the rah rah rah go USA go USA BS we typically here.

 

[Ylen13]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Ylen13
being 25 u will get draft.However im 21 never registered and will never do se and will never get drafted.So good luck to everyone that did registered because the law said u have to.Good luck.

Good you are committing a crime. THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT anyway. As for you I hope the Feds catch up with you and you go to jail.

im sure my lawyers will be abel to keep me out of jail.After all that is what they get paid for .

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Isn't it a bit hypocritical that Bush doesn't enroll his daughters or his nephews in the army? How come the rich kids get excused but if a poor kid doesn't want to go he's satan and should be shipped to Yemen. Many parents feel the same way. Why should I send my son to some remote jungle in Korea, yet Jeb Bush isn't sending his son there? I wish more people would see through this instead of the rah rah rah go USA go USA BS we typically here.

What in the hell are you talking about? This is a thread about the draft. Females cannot be drafted and what are the ages of Bush's relatives again?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Ylen13

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Ylen13
being 25 u will get draft.However im 21 never registered and will never do se and will never get drafted.So good luck to everyone that did registered because the law said u have to.Good luck.

Good you are committing a crime. THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT anyway. As for you I hope the Feds catch up with you and you go to jail.

im sure my lawyers will be abel to keep me out of jail.After all that is what they get paid for .

Get them to teach you English while you are at it. You wouldn't be able to stay out of jail and even if you could you would never find gainful employment again. Why am I arguing with an idiot anyways? He will take me to his level and beat me with experience.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: Ylen13

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Ylen13
being 25 u will get draft.However im 21 never registered and will never do se and will never get drafted.So good luck to everyone that did registered because the law said u have to.Good luck.

Good you are committing a crime. THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT anyway. As for you I hope the Feds catch up with you and you go to jail.

im sure my lawyers will be abel to keep me out of jail.After all that is what they get paid for .

I doubt you'll go to jail because I'm willing to bet their are thousands who haven't. I filled out my card when I was 18 like a good little boy

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Ylen13

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Ylen13
being 25 u will get draft.However im 21 never registered and will never do se and will never get drafted.So good luck to everyone that did registered because the law said u have to.Good luck.

Good you are committing a crime. THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT anyway. As for you I hope the Feds catch up with you and you go to jail.

im sure my lawyers will be abel to keep me out of jail.After all that is what they get paid for .

I doubt you'll go to jail because I'm willing to bet their are thousands who haven't. I filled out my card when I was 18 like a good little boy

If you don't fill out your selective service card the government knows. I had a friend that just kept forgetting. He was sent a certified letter that said he had have his registration done in 48 hours or he was going to be arrested.

 

[kami333]

You lose out on stuff like federal grants and loans too.