When drafted.....will you choose Iraq or North Korea?

[Wadesan]

The true American spirit would be questioning the government's decisions before blinding following along. It would be unwise to just always think because the governemnt says so that its a good idea.

Perhaps, but if everyone were to question everything they dont agree with, would anything ever get done? At some point you have to just grin and bear it, be right and be pissed at the same time so to speak. I do agree that blindly following is foolish, but for this thread I wouldn't be blindly following. I agree with what the government is doing and since I agree EVERYONE SHOULD AGREE When something is blatantly wrong, to question is in order, but for me, not in this situation. Good point though.

 

[Amused]

You know, I wonder how many of these low post count, no profile, no rating clones are really just the alter-egos of the people they are agreeing with and parroting?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: MrLondon

How can we fight wars when we are trillions in debt as it is.

Why do you think Bush want war?...

... to get the economy going again.

Typical US Imperialism.

And ignorance prevails yet again!

Yeah its more than obvoius Iraq is gonna become the 51st state, we always occupy the countries we invade. We can call it "America 2.0"

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Amused
You know, I wonder how many of these low post count, no profile, no rating clones are really just the alter-egos of the people they are agreeing with and parroting?

"One IP to source them all, and from the Mod console ban them."

Who will I go fight? No one. I'm not getting drafted - I'm Canadian.
People here seem to be more than a little trigger-happy.

- M4H

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Amused
You know, I wonder how many of these low post count, no profile, no rating clones are really just the alter-egos of the people they are agreeing with and parroting?

"One IP to source them all, and from the Mod console ban them."

Who will I go fight? No one. I'm not getting drafted - I'm Canadian.
People here seem to be more than a little trigger-happy.

- M4H

Oooooooh....AT smurf accounts...cool!!!!

Chiz

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Who will I go fight? No one. I'm not getting drafted - I'm Canadian.
People here seem to be more than a little trigger-happy.

- M4H

But wait, I thought you were for hire?

I'm suing for false advertising, dammit. :|

 

[monckywrench]

As an experienced NCO I oppose the draft except in times of dire emergency. Modern weapon systems don't need cannon fodder, and the cost of a draft would soak up hundreds of millions of dollars we could instead use for better things.
We need skilled, trained, professional troops who are in for the long term, and we should simply pay enough to compete against the other careers available. Patriotism may get a first-termer in the door but since so many troops get married the tremendous stress service puts on young troops with new families drives many out. (The safety net is actually quite good, but any employer must compete against the perception that the grass is greener elsewhere.)
Conscription does diddly squat to address second-term and career troop retention. I enlisted in '81, and the horror stories of folks scared into the Air Force by fear of ending up in the Army (the AF never drafted) were still common among the senior NCOs. Unmotivated people are not who you want working on large, flammable objects that fly over your house.
Finally, the volunteer force is highly effective. No military organisation is perfect, but we are powerful and adaptable in large part because our folks want to be part of the team.
Those who don't volunteer can go about their civilian business and not get in the way of expedient use of force, because without fear of personal participation it need not concern them. Dropping the draft was key in ending political activism by the young, who promptly lost interest once risk to self was eliminated.
As long as force trumps absolutely every other method of international and intranational power relationship adjustment, we need to be able to kill people and break their stuff. (I guess bursting into tears and losing is an option, but I no likee that one.)
I really don't see a draft happening for the same reason we didn't need one when I came in during the Cold War.
As the economy tanks the recruiters office will fill back up.

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: Amused
You know, I wonder how many of these low post count, no profile, no rating clones are really just the alter-egos of the people they are agreeing with and parroting?

Post count don't mean jack, just means that you've been on this board for a long time, so what. Troll is a troll is a troll whether you have 12,000+ posts or 12 posts.

I have lot of post counts on other boards, again don't mean jack.......what matter is individual's attitude, sense of humor, and ability to have an intellectual discussion.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Slowss

Originally posted by: Amused
You know, I wonder how many of these low post count, no profile, no rating clones are really just the alter-egos of the people they are agreeing with and parroting?

Post count don't mean jack, just means that you've been on this board for a long time, so what. Troll is a troll is a troll whether you have 12,000+ posts or 12 posts.

I have lot of post counts on other boards, again don't mean jack.......what matter is individual's attitude, sense of humor, and ability to have an intellectual discussion.

Low post count wasn't the only thing I pointed out, dipsh!t.

 

[Wadesan]

monkywrench, couldnt have said it better.

 

[Wadesan]

You know, I wonder how many of these low post count, no profile, no rating clones are really just the alter-egos of the people they are agreeing with and parroting?

Then what are you saying?

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Slowss

Originally posted by: Amused
You know, I wonder how many of these low post count, no profile, no rating clones are really just the alter-egos of the people they are agreeing with and parroting?

Post count don't mean jack, just means that you've been on this board for a long time, so what. Troll is a troll is a troll whether you have 12,000+ posts or 12 posts.

I have lot of post counts on other boards, again don't mean jack.......what matter is individual's attitude, sense of humor, and ability to have an intellectual discussion.

Low post count wasn't the only thing I pointed out, dipsh!t.

Oooohhhh....another internet tough guy.....guys like you make me laugh.

 

[Balthazar]

I would not go to either.
I love this country dearly, but I REFUSE to fight a war for oil led by the same pr!cks who are stripping away all of our freedoms. I also wholeheartedly disagree with the Korean bit, Bush says "lets cut off the oil" they say, ok, fine we see we cannot rely on you to keep up this attempt at peace, we NEED electricity. And while we are at it we may as well do something with the plutonium, because we sure as sh!t don't trust you to not bully us around (with the ever so sluggishly dwindling stock of nukes, wonder when the hell we or anyone else really planned on having them all dismantled? 2203?).

He gave flowery speeches in the months after 9/11, But since he has been in office has provoked renewed vigor in the middle east, both between Isreal and their enemies, and Iraq, then this bit with Korea (again Korea involves oil, funny isn't it). We have by and large lost more of our rights and our privacy than even Mr. Clinton dished out.

And right now if you told me that "for my country" I would be forced to go overseas and kill other people for THESE reasons, to hell with you, to hell with all of you. What a sick joke "here go to Iraq and kill so Mr. Cheneys former employer and still contributor can get rights to the pipeline there" and "goto Korea so we can justify doing away with them because we decided the oil we send to them should come here instead".

As for the complete RETARD who started this thread and all of you so gun ho to go killing pople, have fun, you sick freaks....You can certainly tell who has, and who has not, been involved in war before.

I doubt I have much to worry about between the injuries incurred in childhood (too much wreckless fun on bikes and seeing the bone of my kneecaps too often) and my crappy as heck eyesight, I don't think they would get so desperate as to draft me. If they indeed draft anyone.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Slowss

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Slowss

Originally posted by: Amused
You know, I wonder how many of these low post count, no profile, no rating clones are really just the alter-egos of the people they are agreeing with and parroting?

Post count don't mean jack, just means that you've been on this board for a long time, so what. Troll is a troll is a troll whether you have 12,000+ posts or 12 posts.

I have lot of post counts on other boards, again don't mean jack.......what matter is individual's attitude, sense of humor, and ability to have an intellectual discussion.

Low post count wasn't the only thing I pointed out, dipsh!t.

Oooohhhh....another internet tough guy.....guys like you make me laugh.

No, if I was being a "tough guy" I would have threatened you. I just insulted you.

You really need help with reading comprehension. Amy I suggest a remedial class?

 

[Balthazar]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Slowss

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Slowss

Originally posted by: Amused
You know, I wonder how many of these low post count, no profile, no rating clones are really just the alter-egos of the people they are agreeing with and parroting?

Post count don't mean jack, just means that you've been on this board for a long time, so what. Troll is a troll is a troll whether you have 12,000+ posts or 12 posts.

I have lot of post counts on other boards, again don't mean jack.......what matter is individual's attitude, sense of humor, and ability to have an intellectual discussion.

Low post count wasn't the only thing I pointed out, dipsh!t.

Oooohhhh....another internet tough guy.....guys like you make me laugh.

No, if I was being a "tough guy" I would have threatened you. I just insulted you.

You really need help with reading comprehension. Amy I suggest a remedial class?

Hahahaha, that's good to know, that to be a tough guy you have to THREATEN people, not just bully them around verbally by insulting them in childish fashions like a country bumpkin loser with an IQ somewhere equated to a turnip with root-rot.

 

[Keego]

I'll most likely want to go to North Korea since I have friends in the air force near there.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: MrLondon

How can we fight wars when we are trillions in debt as it is.

Why do you think Bush want war?...

... to get the economy going again.

Typical US Imperialism.

And ignorance prevails yet again!

Yeah its more than obvoius Iraq is gonna become the 51st state, we always occupy the countries we invade. We can call it "America 2.0"

What was the last state we aquired by invasion?

 

[Wadesan]

Arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics, even though you win, your still a retard.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Balthazar

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Slowss

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Slowss

Originally posted by: Amused
You know, I wonder how many of these low post count, no profile, no rating clones are really just the alter-egos of the people they are agreeing with and parroting?

Post count don't mean jack, just means that you've been on this board for a long time, so what. Troll is a troll is a troll whether you have 12,000+ posts or 12 posts.

I have lot of post counts on other boards, again don't mean jack.......what matter is individual's attitude, sense of humor, and ability to have an intellectual discussion.

Low post count wasn't the only thing I pointed out, dipsh!t.

Oooohhhh....another internet tough guy.....guys like you make me laugh.

No, if I was being a "tough guy" I would have threatened you. I just insulted you.

You really need help with reading comprehension. Amy I suggest a remedial class?

Hahahaha, that's good to know, that to be a tough guy you have to THREATEN people, not just bully them around verbally by insulting them in childish fashions like a country bumpkin loser with an IQ somewhere equated to a turnip with root-rot.

I just called it as I saw it. I pointed out a combination of factors, and he threw a hissy fit over just one of them.

By the way, Kettle, meet Pot.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Wadesan
your still a retard.

The irony is killing me...

 

[EndGame]

Well, personally, I'd go wherever they needed me just as I did when called up for D.S.. Wouldn't "wuss out" and wouldn't avoid signing up for selective service if I were several years younger again. It's your choice though and quite frankly I couldn't care less what you choose to do, just remember you have to live with the results of that decision the rest of your life. It's not so much fighting someone elses war as it is fulfilling your obligation to your country if called upon. I doubt though that we will ever see the need for a draft in the forseeable future so don't worry, you're safe!

 

[Balthazar]

Originally posted by: Wadesan

signed up for Selective Service when I was 18 (the draft). If I'm called, I'll go and serve. My father before me served, and I'll do the same if called up.

Good to know there are still some REAL Americans out there. Anyone who isnt willing to take up arms and defend our nation or those who cant defend themselves need to make a bee-line right out of America. Perhaps many dont realize that its YOUR US MILITARY that provides this safe haven. If thats not worth defending, then by all means go live in Iraq or North Korea and enjoy the easy lifestyle they provide, I'm sure tree bark (thats what common folk in north koreans mix in they're meager portions of rice for roughage) makes a tasty meal.

And you, you are an even bigger schmuck....
Like so many others who so brilliantly think that anything the military does is defense of our country....as I said before, I WILL NOT kill another man because Cheneys billionaire oil boss wants back the rights to their precious pipeline over there, Bush and Cheney are the biggest f'ing jokes of all, I just love hearing people say how good they are (especially older people), my boss was one of them, even has a picture of the fruitcake up over his desk at work, finally I got sick of it and printed up copies of some of the bills he's past, some of the background information on Cheney and his "interests", which are about as far from the peoples as you could possibly conceive. And the next time he started in on it I tossed 10 sheets of paper down on his desk, outlining his, and cheneys, relationship to oil, the bills they have pushed, the government policies they have adopted. Not another single word was said. Came in the next day, no more picture of Bush up there.

If people would stupid and put 2+2+2+2+2+2 together and look at the whole picture, they would be ENRAGED at what those two have done. The flowery speeches he gave us after 9/11 have lulled so many people, to let him do so many things it's not funny. And once they are done, they cannot be undone easily if at all.

And then we have people like you, ready to jump on a carrier and head off to slaughter other people, hell you probably don't even know 50% of the details surrounding the events over there, probably don't care either, easier to say "it for our protection!!!!".

What a disgrace.

 

[Balthazar]

Originally posted by: EndGame
Well, personally, I'd go wherever they needed me just as I did when called up for D.S.. Wouldn't "wuss out" and wouldn't avoid signing up for selective service if I were several years younger again. It's your choice though and quite frankly I couldn't care less what you choose to do, just remember you have to live with the results of that decision the rest of your life. It's not so much fighting someone elses war as it is fulfilling your obligation to your country if called upon. I doubt though that we will ever see the need for a draft in the forseeable future so don't worry, you're safe!

My obligation to my country????
THAT is not my d@mned obligation to my country!
Believe me, if this country was ever threatened by more than higher gas-prices I WOULD defend it, but I WILL not go to war for the reasons those two have deemed. Thats a pretty twisted sense of obligation.

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: Balthazar

Originally posted by: EndGame
Well, personally, I'd go wherever they needed me just as I did when called up for D.S.. Wouldn't "wuss out" and wouldn't avoid signing up for selective service if I were several years younger again. It's your choice though and quite frankly I couldn't care less what you choose to do, just remember you have to live with the results of that decision the rest of your life. It's not so much fighting someone elses war as it is fulfilling your obligation to your country if called upon. I doubt though that we will ever see the need for a draft in the forseeable future so don't worry, you're safe!

My obligation to my country????
THAT is not my d@mned obligation to my country!
Believe me, if this country was ever threatened by more than higher gas-prices I WOULD defend it, but I WILL not go to war for the reasons those two have deemed. Thats a pretty twisted sense of obligation.

Tough crap, don't like it, don't read it! I can't do anything to aid your twisted sense of moral obligation as it applies here or elsewhere. just think, if the US had said what the heck, why should we go help out Europe back in WWII? You know, if you think your so high and mighty, why not come up with a better solution to the worlds problems? Real easy to just comment on how "wrong" everything is from in front of your little monitor isn't it? My guess is you're also the one bitching about the high gas prices when they occur and everything else that isn't right by your agenda. Well wake up pretty boy, the world isn't easy, isn't pretty, and doesn't revolve around you or your beliefs. It's real and decisions have to be made, right wrong, or inbetween, sometimes they're grat and have wonderful benefit, other times they are difficult and hard to understand, but until someone such as you seem to see yourself as, with all the answers comes along, we do what we have done since the days of George Washington and follow those whom lead our country.

 

[Wadesan]

Balthazar, you do what want. Leave the burden of America to Americans then. I hope you can sleep well at night while your fellow Americans put they're life on the line for your family, for whats right, while you sit here and cast your stones at those of us who have take an OATH of enlistment. I doubt you've ever seen the face of sacrifice or know what it means to be a part of something larger than yourself. But you have your opinion and I have mine. We'll leave it at that.