When does the NDA lift for R600?

[yacoub]

When does the NDA lift for R600?

 

[Regs]

You won't get a review until it's released. Though a preview is possible.

I'm thinking April 22 or 23rd when AMD said they'll display them to the press.

 

[Wreckage]

I'm hoping it's not a paper launch. AMD has already publicly claimed that the card is up and running. So there would be absolutely no reason for a paper launch unless they are intentionally trying to mislead people.

 

[Arkaign]

Looks really bad, if it were actually any good, they would have previewed it to the public already, showing the performance, in order to stall the purchase of more 8800s. The silence speaks volumes ..

 

[yacoub]

It sure would be funny if someone kept a catalogue of the nay-sayers and their comments and then pasted them all into one giant thread after the R600's official reviews are posted.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: yacoub
It sure would be funny if someone kept a catalogue of the nay-sayers and their comments and then pasted them all into one giant thread after the R600's official reviews are posted.

What would be even funnier is someone cataloging every time you made a comment on how R600 was going to be a beast (based on the same unconfirmed reports) and it turned out to be nothing more than a 8 month late 8800GTX.

Now that would be funny.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: yacoub
It sure would be funny if someone kept a catalogue of the nay-sayers and their comments and then pasted them all into one giant thread after the R600's official reviews are posted.

There is no logic to this statement .. there are only 3 possibilities :

(1)- The card is released, and is worse than 8800 series
(2)- The card is released, and is about equal to 8800 series
(3)- The card is released, and is better than 8800 series

Given that we have pretty much nothing to go on, other than delays and a deafening silence from AMD/ATI, it doesn't look good.

IF it turns out to be great, then WHY in the name of (insert preferred deity here) don't they SHOW how good it is, as that would keep more customers from slipping into Nvidia's camp. IF it were great, surely they wouldn't be so stupid as to not capitalize on it's superiority.

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: yacoub
It sure would be funny if someone kept a catalogue of the nay-sayers and their comments and then pasted them all into one giant thread after the R600's official reviews are posted.

There is no logic to this statement .. there are only 3 possibilities :

(1)- The card is released, and is worse than 8800 series
(2)- The card is released, and is about equal to 8800 series
(3)- The card is released, and is better than 8800 series

Given that we have pretty much nothing to go on, other than delays and a deafening silence from AMD/ATI, it doesn't look good.

IF it turns out to be great, then WHY in the name of (insert preferred deity here) don't they SHOW how good it is, as that would keep more customers from slipping into Nvidia's camp. IF it were great, surely they wouldn't be so stupid as to not capitalize on it's superiority.

:thumbsup:

Agreed, there at least should be some more "leaked" benchmarks claiming R600s superiority to the G80. That would stop the ever-growing number of 8800 purchases... :|

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: yacoub
It sure would be funny if someone kept a catalogue of the nay-sayers and their comments and then pasted them all into one giant thread after the R600's official reviews are posted.

There is no logic to this statement .. there are only 3 possibilities :

(1)- The card is released, and is worse than 8800 series
(2)- The card is released, and is about equal to 8800 series
(3)- The card is released, and is better than 8800 series

Given that we have pretty much nothing to go on, other than delays and a deafening silence from AMD/ATI, it doesn't look good.

IF it turns out to be great, then WHY in the name of (insert preferred deity here) don't they SHOW how good it is, as that would keep more customers from slipping into Nvidia's camp. IF it were great, surely they wouldn't be so stupid as to not capitalize on it's superiority.

This is what I have been saying all along. Leak some benchmarks if it's so great. I have to believe that if they had a superior product, they would let the world know. Every day they sit on their "monster" GPU they lose a couple of potential buyers to Nvidia.

If that's the way they're going to conduct business under AMD, then I may as well buy some Nvidia stock.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: yacoub
It sure would be funny if someone kept a catalogue of the nay-sayers and their comments and then pasted them all into one giant thread after the R600's official reviews are posted.

There is no logic to this statement .. there are only 3 possibilities :

(1)- The card is released, and is worse than 8800 series
(2)- The card is released, and is about equal to 8800 series
(3)- The card is released, and is better than 8800 series

Given that we have pretty much nothing to go on, other than delays and a deafening silence from AMD/ATI, it doesn't look good.

IF it turns out to be great, then WHY in the name of (insert preferred deity here) don't they SHOW how good it is, as that would keep more customers from slipping into Nvidia's camp. IF it were great, surely they wouldn't be so stupid as to not capitalize on it's superiority.

This is what I have been saying all along. Leak some benchmarks if it's so great. I have to believe that if they had a superior product, they would let the world know. Every day they sit on their "monster" GPU they lose a couple of potential buyers to Nvidia.

If that's the way they're going to conduct business under AMD, then I may as well buy some Nvidia stock.

I dont get this either, but then again, Nvidia did it with the 8800 when the x1950 was the best card in the market... They could have leaked some info to keep people from buying x1950s but didnt until the actual release day... I dont see why companies are so agaisnt leaks... It only helps them steal buys from the competition

 

[AnotherGuy]

It definitly is true.... Theres no monster to come out now..... maybe after a couple of months.... but this release just slightly better than a gtx.... at a lower price point.... im sure not under $450 though.... street price about $500 for first couple of weeks.... put this line in ur catalogue coz im 99% sure about it

 

[Regs]

The die shrink conspiracy seems to me the most accurate. For whatever reason otherwise, we know that it's not to our benifit and that is 100% certain .

 

[soybeast]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Looks really bad, if it were actually any good, they would have previewed it to the public already, showing the performance, in order to stall the purchase of more 8800s. The silence speaks volumes ..

To infer that a product is inferior based on lack of evidence is misguided at best. There's many reasons why companies are so secretive about their product, with satisfying the few who can afford to buy the high-end probably low on their list.

In any case, we will all find out soon enough whether AMD is holding any Aces, or simply a folded hand.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: soybeast

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Looks really bad, if it were actually any good, they would have previewed it to the public already, showing the performance, in order to stall the purchase of more 8800s. The silence speaks volumes ..

To infer that a product is inferior based on lack of evidence is misguided at best. There's many reasons why companies are so secretive about their product, with satisfying the few who can afford to buy the high-end probably low on their list.

In any case, we will all find out soon enough whether AMD is holding any Aces, or simply a folded hand.

Well, to be fair, I didn't infer that it would be inferior in direct terms, just that there's equally zero evidence that it will be any good. Silence on benches is pretty uninspiring, particularly at this extremely late hour in the game.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: yacoub
It sure would be funny if someone kept a catalogue of the nay-sayers and their comments and then pasted them all into one giant thread after the R600's official reviews are posted.

There is no logic to this statement .. there are only 3 possibilities :

(1)- The card is released, and is worse than 8800 series
(2)- The card is released, and is about equal to 8800 series
(3)- The card is released, and is better than 8800 series

Given that we have pretty much nothing to go on, other than delays and a deafening silence from AMD/ATI, it doesn't look good.

IF it turns out to be great, then WHY in the name of (insert preferred deity here) don't they SHOW how good it is, as that would keep more customers from slipping into Nvidia's camp. IF it were great, surely they wouldn't be so stupid as to not capitalize on it's superiority.

This is what I have been saying all along. Leak some benchmarks if it's so great. I have to believe that if they had a superior product, they would let the world know. Every day they sit on their "monster" GPU they lose a couple of potential buyers to Nvidia.

If that's the way they're going to conduct business under AMD, then I may as well buy some Nvidia stock.

I dont get this either, but then again, Nvidia did it with the 8800 when the x1950 was the best card in the market... They could have leaked some info to keep people from buying x1950s but didnt until the actual release day... I dont see why companies are so agaisnt leaks... It only helps them steal buys from the competition

yeah but the scenario is a little different, nvidia didnt release any info because they really didnt need to. everyone knew the new architecture was gonna pound all before it, you would of expected it too as well had you not been given any info at all....due to the fast rate of progress you expect a much faster product from a new architecture.

the two cards before the G80 (G71 and R580) were pretty much at a stale mate. the only way was up

here, we are all waiting on ATi's answer to that new tech from nvidia. NV have been happily rounding up all but the most loyal enthusiasts for the last 6months, ATi are fashionably late to the party again, losing custom in the process.

before we had enthusiasts going both ways...nvidia or ati. now with the G80, there really is only one path to choose if you want to upgrade your enthusiast card....and thats nvidia. unless you just love Ati to itty bitty pieces.

the difference is they are losing customers the longer they wait. no good releasing a product with no one to buy it is there?

however..... given what we are dealing with here....an enthusiast card, i actually dont think it matters one jot. the money isnt made there anyway, so a few lost customers on the high end isnt as painful as losing the masses who buy the mid-range parts.

and in the current situation niether ATi nor Nvidia have any form of midrange card out, nor do either have any rock solid numbers and benchies for them. you cant release info claiming to beat on the competition when the competition hasnt set out any goal posts can you?

theyre just waiting for one another to make the first move.


i agree though, if R600 was sooo unbelievably amazing i think we'd of heard about it by now. my bets is, its roughly the same as a 8800, sometimes faster, sometimes slower, sometimes with better IQ sometiems with worse IQ. it'll be neck n neck, and there'll be microscopic improvements made with drivers over the life of the cards.

only problem is, Nvidia have a the jump time wise on ATi, and im pretty sure something is shelved in anticipation for that rainy day when ATi finally release R600. i mean they must of been doing something for the last 6 months.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
yeah but the scenario is a little different, nvidia didnt release any info because they really didnt need to. everyone knew the new architecture was gonna pound all before it, you would of expected it too as well had you not been given any info at all....due to the fast rate of progress you expect a much faster product from a new architecture.

the two cards before the G80 (G71 and R580) were pretty much at a stale mate. the only way was up

here, we are all waiting on ATi's answer to that new tech from nvidia. NV have been happily rounding up all but the most loyal enthusiasts for the last 6months, ATi are fashionably late to the party again, losing custom in the process.

before we had enthusiasts going both ways...nvidia or ati. now with the G80, there really is only one path to choose if you want to upgrade your enthusiast card....and thats nvidia. unless you just love Ati to itty bitty pieces.

the difference is they are losing customers the longer they wait. no good releasing a product with no one to buy it is there?

however..... given what we are dealing with here....an enthusiast card, i actually dont think it matters one jot. the money isnt made there anyway, so a few lost customers on the high end isnt as painful as losing the masses who buy the mid-range parts.

and in the current situation niether ATi nor Nvidia have any form of midrange card out, nor do either have any rock solid numbers and benchies for them. you cant release info claiming to beat on the competition when the competition hasnt set out any goal posts can you?

theyre just waiting for one another to make the first move.


i agree though, if R600 was sooo unbelievably amazing i think we'd of heard about it by now. my bets is, its roughly the same as a 8800, sometimes faster, sometimes slower, sometimes with better IQ sometiems with worse IQ. it'll be neck n neck, and there'll be microscopic improvements made with drivers over the life of the cards.

only problem is, Nvidia have a the jump time wise on ATi, and im pretty sure something is shelved in anticipation for that rainy day when ATi finally release R600. i mean they must of been doing something for the last 6 months.

Insert generic driver joke here

Well said Otis, I was going to respond to shadow myself, but I think you pretty much summed it up.

I dont have high expectations from R600 and I think everyone on this board is in for a huge disappointment.

I just dont understand people like yacoub who are taking it for granted that the R600 is going to blow G80 out of the water. they make a huge deal about how all the leaked info is BS and the "nay-sayers" are going to be wrong, but they are putting so much hype into this card based off the same unconfirmed info.

 

[soybeast]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: yacoub
It sure would be funny if someone kept a catalogue of the nay-sayers and their comments and then pasted them all into one giant thread after the R600's official reviews are posted.

There is no logic to this statement .. there are only 3 possibilities :

(1)- The card is released, and is worse than 8800 series
(2)- The card is released, and is about equal to 8800 series
(3)- The card is released, and is better than 8800 series

Given that we have pretty much nothing to go on, other than delays and a deafening silence from AMD/ATI, it doesn't look good.

IF it turns out to be great, then WHY in the name of (insert preferred deity here) don't they SHOW how good it is, as that would keep more customers from slipping into Nvidia's camp. IF it were great, surely they wouldn't be so stupid as to not capitalize on it's superiority.

This is what I have been saying all along. Leak some benchmarks if it's so great. I have to believe that if they had a superior product, they would let the world know. Every day they sit on their "monster" GPU they lose a couple of potential buyers to Nvidia.

If that's the way they're going to conduct business under AMD, then I may as well buy some Nvidia stock.

I dont get this either, but then again, Nvidia did it with the 8800 when the x1950 was the best card in the market... They could have leaked some info to keep people from buying x1950s but didnt until the actual release day... I dont see why companies are so agaisnt leaks... It only helps them steal buys from the competition

yeah but the scenario is a little different, nvidia didnt release any info because they really didnt need to. everyone knew the new architecture was gonna pound all before it, you would of expected it too as well had you not been given any info at all....due to the fast rate of progress you expect a much faster product from a new architecture.

the two cards before the G80 (G71 and R580) were pretty much at a stale mate. the only way was up

here, we are all waiting on ATi's answer to that new tech from nvidia. NV have been happily rounding up all but the most loyal enthusiasts for the last 6months, ATi are fashionably late to the party again, losing custom in the process.

before we had enthusiasts going both ways...nvidia or ati. now with the G80, there really is only one path to choose if you want to upgrade your enthusiast card....and thats nvidia. unless you just love Ati to itty bitty pieces.

the difference is they are losing customers the longer they wait. no good releasing a product with no one to buy it is there?

however..... given what we are dealing with here....an enthusiast card, i actually dont think it matters one jot. the money isnt made there anyway, so a few lost customers on the high end isnt as painful as losing the masses who buy the mid-range parts.

and in the current situation niether ATi nor Nvidia have any form of midrange card out, nor do either have any rock solid numbers and benchies for them. you cant release info claiming to beat on the competition when the competition hasnt set out any goal posts can you?

theyre just waiting for one another to make the first move.


i agree though, if R600 was sooo unbelievably amazing i think we'd of heard about it by now. my bets is, its roughly the same as a 8800, sometimes faster, sometimes slower, sometimes with better IQ sometiems with worse IQ. it'll be neck n neck, and there'll be microscopic improvements made with drivers over the life of the cards.

only problem is, Nvidia have a the jump time wise on ATi, and im pretty sure something is shelved in anticipation for that rainy day when ATi finally release R600. i mean they must of been doing something for the last 6 months.

Hopefully you would think they've been doing something for the last 6 months, but look at AMD. After the huge success of the K8 they sat on their asses for what was how long? 2 years or so? Then Intel finally came with the Core 2 and now AMD seems to be in pretty bad shape, in both the CPU and GPU segments. I really hope they prove me wrong because if they don't, it's the consumers who will pay in the long run.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

I dont have high expectations from R600 and I think everyone on this board is in for a huge disappointment.

I just dont understand people like yacoub who are taking it for granted that the R600 is going to blow G80 out of the water. they make a huge deal about how all the leaked info is BS and the "nay-sayers" are going to be wrong, but they are putting so much hype into this card based off the same unconfirmed info.

Neither do I, and I tend to lean towards Ati, but this is just too much... Even if Ati comes out with a OMG8800OWN4GE card, its so late that it guarantees everyone that bought the 8800 during the last six months made the right decision, while people that kept waiting have been left with a lack luster card for all that time...

This said, I think theres really nothing to be excited about this card, unless you are one of those who has been holding off, since the pricing looks very competitive, but if you are a true high end enthusiast of the kind that always buys the best, Nvidia will obviously have something better at the same time, which then also means the R600 will be pointless... I guess all thats left for AMD is the midrange, which isnt bad by itself

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

IF it turns out to be great, then WHY in the name of (insert preferred deity here) don't they SHOW how good it is, as that would keep more customers from slipping into Nvidia's camp. IF it were great, surely they wouldn't be so stupid as to not capitalize on it's superiority.

because then all the nvidiots would scream paper launch, or, worse, vaporware

 

[Ackmed]

Looking forward to the AT review? They're way down on my list anymore. They need to change how they review, and keep up with the times.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Arkaign

IF it turns out to be great, then WHY in the name of (insert preferred deity here) don't they SHOW how good it is, as that would keep more customers from slipping into Nvidia's camp. IF it were great, surely they wouldn't be so stupid as to not capitalize on it's superiority.

because then all the nvidiots would scream paper launch, or, worse, vaporware

Then AMD should keep their mouths shut PERIOD. They shouldn't send henchmen like Vijay Sharma to spout off about how great their product is and then leave us hanging without a product. They shouldn't tell us that they "could ship R600 today" and then not do it.

In many ways this is worse than a paper launch. At least with a paper launch we know what we're going to get.

 

[Cooler]

Only people that know when the NDA is up are people under NDA.

 

[yacoub]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: yacoub
It sure would be funny if someone kept a catalogue of the nay-sayers and their comments and then pasted them all into one giant thread after the R600's official reviews are posted.

What would be even funnier is someone cataloging every time you made a comment on how R600 was going to be a beast (based on the same unconfirmed reports) and it turned out to be nothing more than a 8 month late 8800GTX.

Now that would be funny.

Funny, I've never stated such things as fact but thanks for trying to push me into a label that makes you feel better.

 

[5150Joker]

For what it's worth, Kyle (owner of HardOCP) thinks the R600 is going to be a huge flop based on insider information he's received from people in the industry. He thinks despite the lower price, it's power requirements are going to hold it back from being successful and he doesn't believe R600's flagship card will outperform the 8800 GTX by much if at all.

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
For what it's worth, Kyle (owner of HardOCP) thinks the R600 is going to be a huge flop based on insider information he's received from people in the industry. He thinks despite the lower price, it's power requirements are going to hold it back from being successful and he doesn't believe R600's flagship card will outperform the 8800 GTX by much if at all.

Normally I'd be happy that my video card isn't outdated by the competition. But seriously, 6 months to come up with something that only competes and takes up more power to boot? :disgust:

I've always liked NVIDIA's solutions more, they seemed more "elegant" in their implementation in regards to efficiency and power consumption.