When does life begin?

[werepossum]

You 2 can be cell mates.

Oh, wait. This is P&N. You already are.





I'm across the hall.

Why do you hate women, Nehalem?

Tell us about the woman that hurt you

And be really specific. Was she wearing leather? Did she have a whip? Were there midgets involved?

 

[highland145]

And be really specific. Was she wearing leather? Did she have a whip? Were there midgets involved?

Yo, Mike, my cell is very nice.......cushy and all.

Sincerely,
The Spider

ps ....pics of nehalem256's traama...in color...lots of traama.

 

[nehalem256]

Do you recognize that men and women have different Life Courses regarding reproduction?

You do realize we were discussing a theoretical future in which there were artificial wombs and there life courses were therefore basically the same?

 

[LunarRay]

You do realize we were discussing a theoretical future in which there were artificial wombs and there life courses were therefore basically the same?

To the extent there exists a difference (even among robots) there is a difference... and that difference must be considered.

 

[Baked]

When it resembles a living thing in the womb.

 

[LunarRay]

When it resembles a living thing in the womb.

Some would say, 'So, when you can see an Acacia tree in the womb... life begins.'

 

[Mursilis]

This, in a nutshell. (See, not all nutshells are bad.)

As long as the baby can survive only in the mother's body, the mother's preferences rule, even though if someone else causes that baby to be harmed they can be held accountable. Much as the state cannot force a mother to give a kidney to her child, the state cannot force a mother to bring a child to term. I also agree that the health of the mother outweighs the health of the child, given proportionality. If the mother is at serious risk of dying or suffering grave physical damage, she should be free to have them take or destroy the baby at any stage. She should however not free to kill a baby because she is depressed.

The bolded statements seem incompatible. Could you elaborate?

 

[nehalem256]

To the extent there exists a difference (even among robots) there is a difference... and that difference must be considered.

But apparently it must only be considered in ways that benefit the woman.

 

[LunarRay]

But apparently it must only be considered in ways that benefit the woman.

As seen by the courts and a reasonable assessment of the facts, those aspects that relate solely to the woman ought to and do recognize the clear Life Course difference and, therefore, from the perspective of the man, benefit the woman.
We are not speaking to anything other than the choice to carry a fetus to term or abort it. The financial aspects that attach for BOTH parties is mutual in most all jurisdictions should a child be produced and to neither if one is not.

The motive for the decision to abort or not, which rests with the woman - her life course - is irrelevant.

The motive for having sexual intercourse which resulted in the pregnancy is also irrelevant... The only thing that is relevant is; only the woman gets pregnant and because of that difference only she should be empowered to decide the issue.

I've not given much thought to a situation where the man is raped by the woman, litigated in court and found to be true and any subsequent financial responsibility that may arise related to the victim of that event.
I'd think the man in this case should have no say in the abortion and no financial responsibility for the child BUT if he seeks parental rights he also assumes parental responsibiltiy....