Question When do we get a 1080ti replacment? Summer this year (2019)?

[moonbogg]

Well, what's your take? For the 2 or 3 of you who might suggest that the 2080ti is worth considering, I'll remind you that it is not worth considering. With that out of the way, Nvidia has to replace the 1080ti at some point. Its been nearly 2 years and no signs of a replacement. They know they need to offer something with a similar price and way better performance or people just won't ditch their 1080ti's, so when do you expect that to happen? GTX 1180ti this summer maybe?

 

[Arkaign]

Nope. Not until 20xx refresh, probably spring 2020+. AMD has Vega 7 @ $699, looks like a rough 1080ti equal, but it's not enough to compete with 2080ti, nor press Nvidia to lower prices on their own 1080ti rough equal in the 2080.

The only way for them to launch a $699 1180ti that is ~35% faster than 1080ti would be to completely abandon 20xx/RTX and call it a failure publicly, which won't happen.

We're in a REDACTED limbo for another year I'm afraid, and no reasonable hope otherwise. Only Navi or 2nd gen RTX will perhaps move things forward.

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[LTC8K6]

Well, what's your take? For the 2 or 3 of you who might suggest that the 2080ti is worth considering, I'll remind you that it is not worth considering. With that out of the way, Nvidia has to replace the 1080ti at some point. Its been nearly 2 years and no signs of a replacement. They know they need to offer something with a similar price and way better performance or people just won't ditch their 1080ti's, so when do you expect that to happen? GTX 1180ti this summer maybe?

How can they release a card with the same price as the 1080ti and way better performance? That would kill sales of the 2080 and 2080ti.

I can see some logic in releasing non-RTX turing cards below the 2070, since those cards lack the horsepower for RTX anyway.

I can't see any way to market high end non-RTX cards without throwing out the baby and the bath water.

 

[moonbogg]

Nvidia would have no issue screwing over RTX buyers who spent $1300 on a 2080ti. I was hoping they'd just release a GTX version of the 2080ti and have it even be a little faster and charge $700. They can justify the price difference by saying it doesn't have special RT cores and all that crap. So you guys think a whole year until 1080ti people get something viable. That's a 3 year cycle and would be unprecedented I think. Nvidia pulled the rug out from under 1080ti people because very few will spend $1200+ on a 2080ti, so that means Nvidia is willing to go 3 years without a purchase from all those initial 1080ti buyers? Bad move if true. They should release something by summer this year to get us off these 1080ti's.
I'm hoping they do it, but if they creep the price up to $800, then they can kiss my flesh cakes. I won't buy it.
980ti = $650
1080ti = $700
1180ti = $800 = return to sender

 

[Arkaign]

Nvidia drew their line in the sand with RTX. They couldn't afford to abandon it or cross compete with themselves without destroying their stock price even further. What I do believe is possible if RTX implementation continues to be uninspiring and not worth the performance hit is a 'soft' reboot on next series of RTX cards. Branding remains same, but tensor cores potentially reduced in combo with higher clocks to maintain 1:1 in that area, whole focusing all advantages from new process and die area into improved shader performance. This would give a substantial increase in practical performance that would inspire upgrades. I don't even believe a 300w 7nm RTX2 flagship could really do justice to raytracing in any respectable manner. Not even if you had an entire extra 300w card full of tensor cores.

Too ambitious by far I believe. But a soft reboot of it that remains niche in use but not further murdering standard perf/$ metrics could help them save face. It's only pure luck for them that AMD has nothing out the door that really exposes them that it's not far worse for Nvidia. As I've noted before, their own 10xx lineup owners have nothing to buy unless they spend dump truck full of gold bars for 2080ti.

 

[davidgreams]

First of all, all 1080ti's come with at least two fans, unless your getting the founders edition.

Second of all, by that time, the GTX 10-series would have been two generations old, making it cheaper on the market to buy.

For example look at the GTX 780, an enthusiast card from two generations ago. It can still provide high-end gaming but might not get the highest framerate. The 780 is still very powerful. But newer cards are usually even more capable and at the same time draws less power.

Also some 1080ti's aftermarket cooler sport 3 fans.

 

[Arkaign]

First of all, all 1080ti's come with at least two fans, unless your getting the founders edition.

Second of all, by that time, the GTX 10-series would have been two generations old, making it cheaper on the market to buy.

For example look at the GTX 780, an enthusiast card from two generations ago. It can still provide high-end gaming but might not get the highest framerate. The 780 is still very powerful. But newer cards are usually even more capable and at the same time draws less power.

Also some 1080ti's aftermarket cooler sport 3 fans.

What does this really have to do with RTX/1080ti?

Good AIB 1080ti are a shade better than RTX 2080, yet have 11GB vs 8GB and power is roughly the same. This is why RTX is disappointing, unless RTX features come on strong and become worth the premium. Thus far it's a big miss, but I won't say it's impossible.

 

[Indus]

Well, what's your take? For the 2 or 3 of you who might suggest that the 2080ti is worth considering, I'll remind you that it is not worth considering. With that out of the way, Nvidia has to replace the 1080ti at some point. Its been nearly 2 years and no signs of a replacement. They know they need to offer something with a similar price and way better performance or people just won't ditch their 1080ti's, so when do you expect that to happen? GTX 1180ti this summer maybe?

I used to think like.. upgrade video card every 2 years with the GeForce 2, GF 4 Ti4200, GT 6600, GT 8600, gtx 260.

Then nvidia raised prices so the gtx 260 lasted till a gtx 660.

Then finally 2 years ago I shelled out insane money for a top of the line video card or so I thought at the time..

Along comes RTX and its even more insane price.

After that.. I'm done buying upgrades every 2 years.. or 2 cycles.. now it has to last a minimum of 5 years with the money they are charging.

So for us 1080ti buyers.. I'm guessing 5 years.. After 1.5 years its still holding up nice. Only 3.5 years to go.

 

[DownTheSky]

Imagine what monster they could have made if didn't go for raytracing. All those sweet sweet rtx and tensor cores for CUDA cores tmus and rops.

 

[KentState]

Doubt you will see anything. The 1080 Ti can run pretty much anything right now and the percent of the market running 1440p, let alone 4k is so small.

 

[Newbian]

Until there is a demand or competition why would they care about a previous gen card?

Either upgrade to rtx like they want you to or wait until newer stuff comes out and suffer with a great gpu until then.

 

[Arkaign]

Until there is a demand or competition why would they care about a previous gen card?

Either upgrade to rtx like they want you to or wait until newer stuff comes out and suffer with a great gpu until then.

That's one way to look at it, though I do feel this case is somewhat unique.

The 10xx series was very good. It offered upgrades at every price point (disregarding the miner wars, ugh). Someone who had bought in at a particular price point a year or two previously had new choices at the same price point worth considering.

20XX is, so far, mostly a wash at the same price points. What this means is that Nvidia is by default in competition with its own past. A buyer of a 1080, 1080ti, 1060, 1050ti, etc have no choices in new cards that offer a compelling reason to do so. Given how lengthy the 10xx shelf life was, further enhanced by great AIB models for the majority of that time, this is a massive swath of their consumer base that has no reason to look at RTX.

Ditto owners of RX470/480/570/580/590/Vega56/Vega64. Unless they are jumping up in budget considerably, there is nothing new on offer that gives them more than what they already have.

These factors are going to hurt Nvidia sales until something changes. Extreme .1% type gamers and all new builds with beefy budgets are not enough to meet their expectations in regards to sales. RTX features were apparently supposed to be the lynchpin for getting those wider-market buyers on board, but so far that is a big zero, and the prospects of that changing seem extremely bleak.

It's a weird situation, and Nvidia doesn't really have many good options other than plan for a good 7nm jump with less die space pushed for tensor as soon as reasonably possible, which is likely to be at least spring 2020 if not later.

 

[ozzy702]

We won't see any movement from NVIDIA until 2020 and likely not until at least summer of 2020. 7nm 3080/3080TI is the earliest GPU I'll consider and even then I may skip it if the jump in performance from the 2080 isn't very high. Kicking myself for selling my 1080TIs but oh well. Hopefully GDDR6 is mature by then with lower pricing and higher performance and we see a solid jump from the 7nm process. I still can't push 1440p @ 144hz in plenty of titles and down the road would love to run 4k 144hz in ~ 2021 when price and technology is more mature.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Ditto owners of RX470/480/570/580/590/Vega56/Vega64. Unless they are jumping up in budget considerably, there is nothing new on offer that gives them more than what they already have.

Exactly. I owned a 1070ti for like 3-4, maybe 5 months, for mining purposes (sold it for what I had paid for it). Never gamed on it.

My main gaming-oriented rigs, I've got a pair of RX 570 8GB cards in it. Mostly for mining though, although the bottom has dropped out of that. If I didn't need to heat my apt. (electric heat, anyways), then I wouldn't be doing it.

I've run some (older, Skyrim Vanilla) games on 4K, but I mostly don't game. Even if I did, in my price range (under $200), there's precious few upgrade options. What, jumping from an RX 570 to a 580 or 590? You must be joking..

I was toying with an RTX 2060, although if the 1660 (ti) is most of what that card is, without the RTX BS, and at a cheaper price ($300 or below), I might consider it.

I do like the 2D image quality of these AMD RX cards, for my 4K UHD TV (40" Avera). When I've hooked up an NVidia card-based rig, I didn't get nearly the color depth, even when the NVidia card supposedly had a "true" HDMI2.0 connection on it. Something's wrong there, with NVidia's detection and this display. So I'm mostly sticking with AMD cards for the near future.

 

[Mopetar]

It's a weird situation, and Nvidia doesn't really have many good options other than plan for a good 7nm jump with less die space pushed for tensor as soon as reasonably possible, which is likely to be at least spring 2020 if not later.

They might wait a while. The economics of 7nm right now aren't favorable for large consumer GPUs, so even though they get a good shrink, the cost per GPU likely increases due to the wafer costs being disproportionately higher.

Since there's no real pressure from AMD, it's more profitable for them to make a large die on the existing, more mature node while waiting for yields to increase and prices to drop.

 

[Guru]

Well, what's your take? For the 2 or 3 of you who might suggest that the 2080ti is worth considering, I'll remind you that it is not worth considering. With that out of the way, Nvidia has to replace the 1080ti at some point. Its been nearly 2 years and no signs of a replacement. They know they need to offer something with a similar price and way better performance or people just won't ditch their 1080ti's, so when do you expect that to happen? GTX 1180ti this summer maybe?

RTX 2080ti IS the replacement. Just because you don't like it and think its too expensive doesn't change reality.

The next Nvidia GPU's are going to be 7nm and probably come Q4 2019 or Q1 2020.

 

[happy medium]

Imagine what monster they could have made if didn't go for raytracing. All those sweet sweet rtx and tensor cores for CUDA cores tmus and rops.

Imagine if we have not had any graphical enhancements in our games since the gtx580/6870 and we just packed our 7nm chips/cards with 8000 shaders and 24gb of vram how fast our games would run @ 8k?
no thanks.

 

[Head1985]

Well, what's your take? For the 2 or 3 of you who might suggest that the 2080ti is worth considering, I'll remind you that it is not worth considering. With that out of the way, Nvidia has to replace the 1080ti at some point. Its been nearly 2 years and no signs of a replacement. They know they need to offer something with a similar price and way better performance or people just won't ditch their 1080ti's, so when do you expect that to happen? GTX 1180ti this summer maybe?

Probably never(at the same price).RX590/vega7/ whole RTX line.All those are overpriced crap cards with same/worse performance/price than 2years ago.

EDIT: pascal launch was also pretty bad.Only GTX1060 was decent because AMD have competetion with cheap rx480.
1080 launched at 700USD(GTX980 launched at 550)+27% price and 60% performance
1070 launched at 450(GTX970 launched at 330)+36% price and 40-50% performance

Way later 1080TI at high-end was pretty good buy at 700USD(GTX980TI launched at 650usd)+7% price and 80% performance.But 1080/1070 was pretty bad.
The chance is that NV will do it again with TI card- +7% price but +80% performance is very low.Almost zero.

 

[Qwertilot]

The semi obvious route would be dropping the 2080ti chip down from Titan pricing (at present) to ~2080 pricing. That would be roughly equivalent to their previous release of an xxti so definitely not an impossibly surprising act. Or maybe it'll have to wait for the next generation, no idea.

Meanwhile the 2080 is a little bit faster, just not really enough to spur a single generation upgrade. A lot of people have already been waiting multiple generations between upgrades anyway of course. Things are slowing down as they approach the limits.

 

[maddie]

The semi obvious route would be dropping the 2080ti chip down from Titan pricing (at present) to ~2080 pricing. That would be roughly equivalent to their previous release of an xxti so definitely not an impossibly surprising act. Or maybe it'll have to wait for the next generation, no idea.

Meanwhile the 2080 is a little bit faster, just not really enough to spur a single generation upgrade. A lot of people have already been waiting multiple generations between upgrades anyway of course. Things are slowing down as they approach the limits.

The limits are way farther away than you think. This pricing is Nvidia trying to be like Apple, the company that Jensen Huang likes.

Quite interesting that both are seeing their continously increasing margin business model collapse at the same time.

 

[mopardude87]

RTX 2080ti IS the replacement. Just because you don't like it and think its too expensive doesn't change reality.

This.I can accept the fact that the RTX2080 is also my 1070ti replacement. Shame on pricing but luckily for now my 1070ti destroys everything i currently play.I haven't been this content with a card since i bought my gtx280 back in 2008.Any other card since till the 1070ti had me dropping textures or settings to get the 60fps minimums i enjoy.

Honestly i feel like the RTX 2080TI is there for the 144hz/4k/everything on kind of people .Its going to offer the 1080/1440p 60hz gamers really nothing minus RT. Would be hard for me to justify dropping in a 2080 . Perhaps the next BF title?

 

[Midwayman]

Probably depends a lot on how much Navi holds their feet to the fire. I wouldn't expect anything new this summer.They'll probably be filling out the product stack downwards. In q3-4 or whenever navi is ready they might have a refresh in the wings to respond.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

That's one way to look at it, though I do feel this case is somewhat unique.

The 10xx series was very good. It offered upgrades at every price point (disregarding the miner wars, ugh). Someone who had bought in at a particular price point a year or two previously had new choices at the same price point worth considering.

20XX is, so far, mostly a wash at the same price points. What this means is that Nvidia is by default in competition with its own past. A buyer of a 1080, 1080ti, 1060, 1050ti, etc have no choices in new cards that offer a compelling reason to do so. Given how lengthy the 10xx shelf life was, further enhanced by great AIB models for the majority of that time, this is a massive swath of their consumer base that has no reason to look at RTX.

Ditto owners of RX470/480/570/580/590/Vega56/Vega64. Unless they are jumping up in budget considerably, there is nothing new on offer that gives them more than what they already have.

These factors are going to hurt Nvidia sales until something changes. Extreme .1% type gamers and all new builds with beefy budgets are not enough to meet their expectations in regards to sales. RTX features were apparently supposed to be the lynchpin for getting those wider-market buyers on board, but so far that is a big zero, and the prospects of that changing seem extremely bleak.

It's a weird situation, and Nvidia doesn't really have many good options other than plan for a good 7nm jump with less die space pushed for tensor as soon as reasonably possible, which is likely to be at least spring 2020 if not later.

Even as a 970 owner I can't convince myself to spend $350 on a 6GB card in 2019. RTX? What a joke. It's in one game and even in the first months of service you can't run it in that game (Battlefield V) and get 60 fps at 1080p. What is Shadow of the Tomb Raider going to run like on that card with RTX? So RTX is going to be for 1080p30 gaming or 720p60 gaming over the lifetime of the card since I don't run a GSync or FreeSync monitor? No thanks. I'm just praying Navi offers a compelling upgrade for a good price, because this RTX garbage as well as them lying about the GTX 970's specs make me ready to leave Nvidia.

 

[Dannar26]

I agree, the mat has been rolled out for AMD. I'm hoping Navi's release will see them gaining back mindshare, rather than people perceiving it as a way to get discounted RTX gear.

I'm still gaming on a R9 290. To get a true upgrade would cost me the same amount of money that I built my entire computer for. Pass. This industry needs to reel in prices.

 

[Qwertilot]

The limits are way farther away than you think.

I really don’t care what people want to say about companies, but lets be real about how hard the job that silicon engineers are doing is getting can we?

They’ve been fighting the laws of physics for us for a long time now and it is very obviously getting much harder.

Intel had one very delayed process and now in the middle of a *hugely* delayed one.

AMD just die shrunk Vega 64 all the way from 14nm to 7nm doubled its memory bandwidth or something. A while back doing that would have *destroyed* the old cards, now its just meh.