Question When do we get a 1080ti replacment? Summer this year (2019)?

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moonbogg

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Well, what's your take? For the 2 or 3 of you who might suggest that the 2080ti is worth considering, I'll remind you that it is not worth considering. With that out of the way, Nvidia has to replace the 1080ti at some point. Its been nearly 2 years and no signs of a replacement. They know they need to offer something with a similar price and way better performance or people just won't ditch their 1080ti's, so when do you expect that to happen? GTX 1180ti this summer maybe?
 
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Jaskalas

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It’s called the 2080ti no matter what you like so it’s already out. Time to face reality

Names do not really concern us, so much as price / performance ratio. An increase at the same price point. That's what an upgrade / replacement is for anyone not selling a kidney for a GPU.
 
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ozzy702

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Man... I had an EVGA 2080TI XC Ultra in cart last night and was so close to doing it...


I work 50-60 hours a week and am taking 3 college courses, my wife works nights and weekends, and we have a 6yo, 5yo, 3yo and newborn, so my free time is limited to 8:30pm to around 11pm these days which means I've been gaming way more than I used to, probably 15hrs a week. Come on NVIDIA... 2020 is a LONG time out and the current RTX cards are selling poorly.

Hopefully they bring the 3000 series to market on 7nm soon because I'm ready to plop down a wad of cash for some 1440p 144hz goodness.
 
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I really doubt I'll see a reasonable upgrade to my 2080 Ti until 2H 2020 at the earliest. Big dies on 7nm can't be cheap. Even at the $999 I paid for it, the RTX 2080 Ti is a bad value. $1200+? Atrocious value. I've never used the RTX features either.

The first manufacturer to cut the fat and make gaming-focused 7nm dies that target perf/area and perf/$ for the mainstream will make a killing. Hopefully that's what AMD is targeting with Navi, because those of us buying $700+ cards are in the tiny minority. Mainstream GDDR6 cards with good perf/$ is what people want, not raytracing.
 

Qwertilot

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That is almost certainly what Navi is, AMD's problem is likely to be that they won't be ahead of NV's stripped down 12nm mainstream cards which are seemingly due quite soon.

Well then they price themselves into obsolescence and they will go out of business just like 3DFX. AMD APU's and Intel's new innovations will meet market demand easily. Good riddance I say.

Nothing they've done with the 2080ti's prices is new. Sticking to their previous price lists that massive die would only be available as Titan Tu or something, at, guess what? Precisely the same price the current 2080ti is at.

The difference is that the relatively minimal performance uptick from Pascal to Turing means the 2080 isn't meaningfully ahead of the 1080ti. Shrug.
 

DrMrLordX

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The first manufacturer to cut the fat and make gaming-focused 7nm dies that target perf/area and perf/$ for the mainstream will make a killing.

Killing relative to what? Have you seen how much an old compute card can cost second-hand? Consider AMD's mi25 (Vega10). If you want one of those, you'd better be prepared to pay over $8k for one of those. Buying one new from amd.com will set you back $10k.

Deep learning is hot right now, and for the foreseeable future, dGPUs will provide the best AI deep learning performance. So if I am spending my R&D dollars on a next-gen dGPU, my first target is AI. Not gaming.
 

ozzy702

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Killing relative to what? Have you seen how much an old compute card can cost second-hand? Consider AMD's mi25 (Vega10). If you want one of those, you'd better be prepared to pay over $8k for one of those. Buying one new from amd.com will set you back $10k.

Deep learning is hot right now, and for the foreseeable future, dGPUs will provide the best AI deep learning performance. So if I am spending my R&D dollars on a next-gen dGPU, my first target is AI. Not gaming.

^ This. Gaming is way down the list of priorities for AMD, NVIDIA and even INTEL. There's just WAY more money to be had elsewhere.
 

Innokentij

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Names do not really concern us, so much as price / performance ratio. An increase at the same price point. That's what an upgrade / replacement is for anyone not selling a kidney for a GPU.

Yes that's fine, but for us that have money. We dont care. See it goes both ways.
 

Arkaign

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Killing relative to what? Have you seen how much an old compute card can cost second-hand? Consider AMD's mi25 (Vega10). If you want one of those, you'd better be prepared to pay over $8k for one of those. Buying one new from amd.com will set you back $10k.

Deep learning is hot right now, and for the foreseeable future, dGPUs will provide the best AI deep learning performance. So if I am spending my R&D dollars on a next-gen dGPU, my first target is AI. Not gaming.

This is true, but it's not an unlimited market, nor is it enough to make up for the volume involved with mass market gaming or mining that they previously enjoyed.

The 'everything AND the kitchen sink' approach with RTX so far is both really expensive to the consumer, and not even all that profitable for Nvidia.

It's a weird choice, because it seems like having massive dies with Tensor/RT would have been sellable to the pro market (AI, Deep Learning, etc) for actually much much higher pricing. Like perhaps $12k-$20k for a slightly enhanced 2080ti.

On the flip side, a conventional 12nm gaming focused die the size of 2060 could have sold for $399 but been beyond 1080ti performance, and a true 1060 replacement could have been $249 with between 1070ti-1080 performance, both with reduced power draw/heat, and smaller PCB and HSF, further increasing profit.

In a world where mining didn't crash and every (above minimally effective) GPU sold, doing the single big RTX plan made sense to a point. Cheaper to not have to develop a pro and a consumer lineup. But with 10xx living so long, and mining losing the maniacal hype levels, they're left with a much reduced market willing to pay these prices, and investors are going to start asking questions soon unless sales really pick up. 2060 is moving alright, 2070+ are pretty much sitting on shelves and in warehouses, because even at a value to certain extremely specific markets the demand just isn't there, and for almost everyone who bought a GPU since 2016, there is no reason for them to buy a new one that's anything less than a 2080ti UNLESS they are prepared to spend a lot more.

I think it will all settle out, though the current situation is a weird and less than ideal one for almost everyone including Nvidia themselves, though for specific professional fields, these RTX cards and even the Vega 7 match well.
 
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pj-

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It's crazy to me that 30 months after buying a Titan X, the best performance upgrade I can get for the same (or even slightly MORE) money is 20-30% depending on res. Plus I'd lose a GB of memory.

It will be depressing if I have to wait upwards of another year to get something 50%+ better.

Theoretically, I don't even mind buying into gimmicks like RTX but the difference it makes in everything I've seen so far is much too subtle to give a crap about.
 

Arkaign

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It's crazy to me that 30 months after buying a Titan X, the best performance upgrade I can get for the same (or even slightly MORE) money is 20-30% depending on res. Plus I'd lose a GB of memory.

It will be depressing if I have to wait upwards of another year to get something 50%+ better.

Theoretically, I don't even mind buying into gimmicks like RTX but the difference it makes in everything I've seen so far is much too subtle to give a crap about.

Yeah, the new Metro came out, and the RTX is both a huge penalty on performance as well as a mixed bag in visuals. If anything, the only nicer portions of the game with RTX simply look like they nerfed the lighting, and the RTSS just looks like a blurry compromise. Sigh. 0 for 2 in RTX games so far.
 
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jpiniero

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Yeah, the new Metro came out, and the RTX is both a huge penalty on performance as well as a mixed bag in visuals. If anything, the only nicer portions of the game with RTX simply look like they nerfed the lighting, and the RTSS just looks like a blurry compromise. Sigh. 0 for 2 in RTX games so far.

Yeah, I imagine unless the game is designed around RT it's going to be gimmicky.
 
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