When California goes bankrupt, will you flee that state?

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Flee and move to a s***hole like Texas? No thanks

Yup, because it is SO HORRIBLE to live in place with low taxes, a budget SURPLUS and an economy that is thriving, not dying.

:roll:

Stay in California, please. Except now the rest of the nation has to bail out the failed great socialist experiment.

:thumbsdown:

Do any of you people have the slightest idea what socialism is? Please provide the definition, and then explain how California is socialist.

Oh and yes, Texas is a shithole. Not only is the state itself nasty, but it's filled with some of the fattest people on earth. (Texas is the 6th fattest state, California is the 31st)

You know for a liberal, you're awfully intolerant.

But, you don't get it. Liberals are only tolerant as long as you agree with everything they say. Otherwise, they will rip you to shreds.

So, let's see here...eskimospy hates Texas, hates LA...apparently, the only good thing in this country is San Diego! :roll:

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Most (not all) of your arguments are SUBJECTIVE opinions. It is your OPINION that Texas has bad weather, no culture, etc.

"the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism

Using the dictionary is hard! :roll:

In plain English for you, since you obviously have very poor reading comprehension:

Tax the producers (working taxpayers) and redistribute the wealth to the non-producers (social services, AKA welfare).

Hahaha. Nice job taking the #3 definition to the word, editing it to remove the fact that it was referring to Marxist theory, and not even mentioning the #1 definition of community ownership of the means of production. That is unless you are attempting to claim that the US operates under Marxist theory.

All that dishonesty and selective quoting aside, I can still beat you up the same way I was going to. I've already showed you how your previous statement was stupid but you still haven't put two and two together. If California is a 'socialist experiment', then what is Texas? Texas has welfare and social programs too, you know. Since Texas' economy is still growing, I guess the great socialist experiment there has succeeded!

I should have not even wasted my time. Any response I would have provided would have been immediately insulted and discredited. It's a typical tactic from the left, and I fell for the bait. That's my bad.

You have already shown your true colors. Please, stay in California.

Hahahaha. You're right, your response was discredited.

It's not my fault you said something dumb. If I were to complain about a state having welfare, I would be damn sure that the state I was holding up as a counterexample for what we should be doing DIDN'T have welfare.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Most (not all) of your arguments are SUBJECTIVE opinions. It is your OPINION that Texas has bad weather, no culture, etc.

"the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism

Using the dictionary is hard! :roll:

In plain English for you, since you obviously have very poor reading comprehension:

Tax the producers (working taxpayers) and redistribute the wealth to the non-producers (social services, AKA welfare).

Hahaha. Nice job taking the #3 definition to the word, editing it to remove the fact that it was referring to Marxist theory, and not even mentioning the #1 definition of community ownership of the means of production. That is unless you are attempting to claim that the US operates under Marxist theory.

All that dishonesty and selective quoting aside, I can still beat you up the same way I was going to. I've already showed you how your previous statement was stupid but you still haven't put two and two together. If California is a 'socialist experiment', then what is Texas? Texas has welfare and social programs too, you know. Since Texas' economy is still growing, I guess the great socialist experiment there has succeeded!

I should have not even wasted my time. Any response I would have provided would have been immediately insulted and discredited. It's a typical tactic from the left, and I fell for the bait. That's my bad.

You have already shown your true colors. Please, stay in California.

Hahahaha. You're right, your response was discredited.

It's not my fault you said something dumb. If I were to complain about a state having welfare, I would be damn sure that the state I was holding up as a counterexample for what we should be doing DIDN'T have welfare.

/sigh

If you're seriously implying that Texas has the same level of handouts as California, I honestly don't know what to say to you...

Then again, I should probably say nothing to you any more, since it's very obviously a waste of time.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: TehMac
California should go bankrupt. Get the morons in charge out of there. These assclowns can't see past their high and might welfare ideas that got us in this shit storm anyway. California is one of the highest tax-leveraging states in the United States...look where all that money went.

Down one big sink hole. Californians that give a shit are beginning to realize the best government is one that provides for civic services and gets the fuck out of everyone's way.

Let's hear it for Kentucky, Mississippi, and Alabama! Our problem is the 2/3 requirement that lets Republicans harm the state.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Do any of you people have the slightest idea what socialism is? Please provide the definition, and then explain how California is socialist.

Oh and yes, Texas is a shithole. Not only is the state itself nasty, but it's filled with some of the fattest people on earth. (Texas is the 6th fattest state, California is the 31st)

You know for a liberal, you're awfully intolerant.

But, you don't get it. Liberals are only tolerant as long as you agree with everything they say. Otherwise, they will rip you to shreds.

So, let's see here...eskimospy hates Texas, hates LA...apparently, the only good thing in this country is San Diego! :roll:

Being tolerant doesn't mean you can't dislike things, genius.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TehMac
California should go bankrupt. Get the morons in charge out of there. These assclowns can't see past their high and might welfare ideas that got us in this shit storm anyway. California is one of the highest tax-leveraging states in the United States...look where all that money went.

Down one big sink hole. Californians that give a shit are beginning to realize the best government is one that provides for civic services and gets the fuck out of everyone's way.

Let's hear it for Kentucky, Mississippi, and Alabama! Our problem is the 2/3 requirement that lets Republicans harm the state.

Passing the buck is like second nature for the left.

Blame the 2/3 law, blame the Republicans, but in no way, shape or form are the Democrats responsible for ANYTHING bad that has happened! Everything else is the problem BUT them!

:roll:

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Do any of you people have the slightest idea what socialism is? Please provide the definition, and then explain how California is socialist.

Oh and yes, Texas is a shithole. Not only is the state itself nasty, but it's filled with some of the fattest people on earth. (Texas is the 6th fattest state, California is the 31st)

You know for a liberal, you're awfully intolerant.

But, you don't get it. Liberals are only tolerant as long as you agree with everything they say. Otherwise, they will rip you to shreds.

So, let's see here...eskimospy hates Texas, hates LA...apparently, the only good thing in this country is San Diego! :roll:

Being tolerant doesn't mean you can't dislike things, genius.

Uh, actually, that's EXACTLY what it's supposed to mean, according to the left. If you are against or dislike anything, you're automatically labeled a hateful bigot by the left!

Apparently you didn't get the talking points memo. I guess you're just not high enough on the chain.

It's okay...keep it up, and maybe someday, somebody will notice and you can be in the loop!

:laugh:

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Flee and move to a s***hole like Texas? No thanks

Yup, because it is SO HORRIBLE to live in place with low taxes, a budget SURPLUS and an economy that is thriving, not dying.

:roll:

Stay in California, please. Except now the rest of the nation has to bail out the failed great socialist experiment.

:thumbsdown:

Do any of you people have the slightest idea what socialism is? Please provide the definition, and then explain how California is socialist.

Oh and yes, Texas is a shithole. Not only is the state itself nasty, but it's filled with some of the fattest people on earth. (Texas is the 6th fattest state, California is the 31st)

You know for a liberal, you're awfully intolerant.

But, you don't get it. Liberals are only tolerant as long as you agree with everything they say. Otherwise, they will rip you to shreds.

So, let's see here...eskimospy hates Texas, hates LA...apparently, the only good thing in this country is San Diego! :roll:

Don't forget eskimospy. Eskimospy loves eskimospy! :heart:

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

I should have not even wasted my time. Any response I would have provided would have been immediately insulted and discredited. It's a typical tactic from the left, and I fell for the bait. That's my bad.

You have already shown your true colors. Please, stay in California.

Hahahaha. You're right, your response was discredited.

It's not my fault you said something dumb. If I were to complain about a state having welfare, I would be damn sure that the state I was holding up as a counterexample for what we should be doing DIDN'T have welfare.

/sigh

If you're seriously implying that Texas has the same level of handouts as California, I honestly don't know what to say to you...

Then again, I should probably say nothing to you any more, since it's very obviously a waste of time.

I never said that Texas had the same level of welfare and social services as California. So some welfare is ok, other levels of it are suddenly socialism? Please describe to me the differences between the California and Texas welfare systems and why one makes California socialist, and the other does not make Texas so.

Don't get mad at me because someone is calling you on your bullshit.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: OogyWaWa
legalize pot, tax the shit out of it. problem solved and everyone is high. i like it.

Don't forget prostitution and gambling. We could get some serious cash out of those, too.

we should take over the indian casinos. their sovereign ground is bullsh*t. they are leeches on our economy.

Damn bastards invaded us and stole our reservations. Leeches, I say, forcing us onto their reservations. You are a poster child for the idiot right.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Uh, actually, that's EXACTLY what it's supposed to mean, according to the left. If you are against or dislike anything, you're automatically labeled a hateful bigot by the left!

Apparently you didn't get the talking points memo. I guess you're just not high enough on the chain.

It's okay...keep it up, and maybe someday, somebody will notice and you can be in the loop!

:laugh:

Uhmm, no it doesn't. Who is this 'the left' that you speak of? Tolerance is about accepting other things, specifically things you dislike.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Baked
I got my registration renewal from DMV last week. $219. LOL, gay... This is for a 2006 model car.

In Texas, that would be $49 + $1 theft prevention fee.

Yeah but you got to live with Texans:thumbsdown:

I think it's legal in Texas to hold a block party to lure the neighborhood into your back yard and shoot them all.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Uh, actually, that's EXACTLY what it's supposed to mean, according to the left. If you are against or dislike anything, you're automatically labeled a hateful bigot by the left!

Apparently you didn't get the talking points memo. I guess you're just not high enough on the chain.

It's okay...keep it up, and maybe someday, somebody will notice and you can be in the loop!

:laugh:

Uhmm, no it doesn't. Who is this 'the left' that you speak of? Tolerance is about accepting other things, specifically things you dislike.

:laugh:

That's the great thing about liberals...let them run their mouth, and they will inevitably trip themselves up with their lies and spin and make themselves look like a fool (AKA Nancy Pelosi).

You seem pretty ah...unwilling to be "accepting" towards Texas and LA there, chief.

:laugh:

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: mrkun
We've earned a Fed bailout. Our taxes subsidize all the Southern states.

It's funny how the lefties are all for redistribution of wealth until it's their wealth.

Zing!!! :thumbsup:

Ya, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, millionare politicians from the Kennedys to Kerry all demanding exemptions for their own wealth from the taxes on the wealthy they support.

Oh, wait, they are happy to pay the higher taxes they support and Bobberfett is a liar, and you are thumbs upping his lie.

Now, higher taxes are one thing; redistributing wealth from productive blue states to whiny backwards red states is another thing.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

:laugh:

That's the great thing about liberals...let them run their mouth, and they will inevitably trip themselves up with their lies and spin and make themselves look like a fool (AKA Nancy Pelosi).

You seem pretty ah...unwilling to be "accepting" towards Texas and LA there, chief.

:laugh:

How am I not accepting of Texas? Do you see me trying to get rid of it or something? Limit what goes on in Texas? Affect it in any way? If you don't see how you can dislike something but still be tolerant of it, you're stupid.

So, are you going to show us how California's welfare system is socialist but Texas' isn't? I'm still waiting.

EDIT: By the way, I've noticed that you started off in this talking about how people should just stick to 'facts' and things like that, but the more I clobber you, the more your posts get filled up with laugh-y faces and descriptions of what 'the left' and liberals think.

I said that Texas is fat and poorly educated. I can back that up with facts. You said some things about California, why don't you back them up?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I don't think many people here understand the way California's budgets work.

It's easy for people who shriek and whine about how terrible California's politicians are, how they should all be kicked out for being so bad with money, etc. What most people don't realize is that it is the proposition system that is largely at fault here. Idiotic things like Proposition 98, which forces the legislature to spend about 40% of the state budget on education each year, and even worse sets the previous year's spending as the floor for the next year. When your economy grows education spending goes up but when it shrinks education spending doesn't come back down, blowing huge holes in the budget. Not to mention that the money being thrown to education isn't being given to it for a program that justified its use, it's just being given first... find a use later.

This is why the proposition system is bad. People don't think of the consequences of their actions, they enact foolishly overbroad policies (Prop 98, Prop 13), and then they wonder why the legislature has a hard time balancing the budget.

Ths proposition system is great in theory - many state legislatures were corrupt at the turn of the 20th century, and the ballot initiatives were a progressive reform by Gov. Hiram Johnson to let the citizens overrule the legislature's corruption. They were a pro-democracy reform.

They're also a way for the legislature to have more direct democracy by having voters decide some controversial issues. Instead of just approving a $100 high speed rail program, the voters voted on it directly (and thankfully passed it). That's not such a terrible thing.

The law of unintended consequences unfortunately turns the table when the legislature is better, and lets the corrupt interests then override it to get *bad* bills passed, because the big-money ad campaigns are able to to fool 'most of the people some of the time'. So some reform of the ballot system might make sense, but I'd keep it for its democratic qualities, with some reform for the big money problem.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Flee and move to a s***hole like Texas? No thanks

Yup, because it is SO HORRIBLE to live in place with low taxes, a budget SURPLUS and an economy that is thriving, not dying.

:roll:

Stay in California, please. Except now the rest of the nation has to bail out the failed great socialist experiment.

:thumbsdown:

Do any of you people have the slightest idea what socialism is? Please provide the definition, and then explain how California is socialist.

Oh and yes, Texas is a shithole. Not only is the state itself nasty, but it's filled with some of the fattest people on earth. (Texas is the 6th fattest state, California is the 31st)

What's with the hate for fat people? Sheesh. Nasty makes sense, fat doesn't, as an attack.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Ths proposition system is great in theory - many state legislatures were corrupt at the turn of the 20th century, and the ballot initiatives were a progressive reform by Gov. Hiram Johnson to let the citizens overrule the legislature's corruption. They were a pro-democracy reform.

They're also a way for the legislature to have more direct democracy by having voters decide some controversial issues. Instead of just approving a $100 high speed rail program, the voters voted on it directly (and thankfully passed it). That's not such a terrible thing.

The law of unintended consequences unfortunately turns the table when the legislature is better, and lets the corrupt interests then override it to get *bad* bills passed, because the big-money ad campaigns are able to to fool 'most of the people some of the time'. So some reform of the ballot system might make sense, but I'd keep it for its democratic qualities, with some reform for the big money problem.

I agree that the proposition system is great in theory. I completely disagree that it should be kept around. More democracy is not always better, there's a reason why our country is a representative democracy. Just because people can occasionally pass propositions I agree with isn't a good reason for it to exist, because it's screwing up our state. How many of California's 400 odd amendments came in the form of some simple majority ballot proposition without significant legislative support? I don't know, but I bet it's a lot.

California needs a constitutional convention that starts over from scratch and eliminates the proposition system.

 

[JSt0rm]

jesus christ you retards. Flee the state? Heres what I'm going to do. I'm going to cover my car in mat black sheet metal, wear leather pants, football shoulder pads and a feather boa and terrorize the highways leading my gang through the burnt out shell that was once california. yee haa.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Craig234
What's with the hate for fat people? Sheesh. Nasty makes sense, fat doesn't, as an attack.

Fat is a choice.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: her209
http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/Stat...0/6110/department.html

It says there are approximate 6.3 million kids. The Department of Education's budget is $56.8 billion. That means it costs approximately $9,000 dollars a year per kid.

:Q

That's pretty close to the national average. That's also a lot more than Japan and South Korea spend per student. We're not getting much of a return on that investment.

In Rochester, NY it's in the low teens per student. Want to know what the highschool graduation rate is? 39%.

Seriously?!? :Q That's just a stunning number.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TehMac
California should go bankrupt. Get the morons in charge out of there. These assclowns can't see past their high and might welfare ideas that got us in this shit storm anyway. California is one of the highest tax-leveraging states in the United States...look where all that money went.

Down one big sink hole. Californians that give a shit are beginning to realize the best government is one that provides for civic services and gets the fuck out of everyone's way.

Let's hear it for Kentucky, Mississippi, and Alabama! Our problem is the 2/3 requirement that lets Republicans harm the state.

Passing the buck is like second nature for the left.

Blame the 2/3 law, blame the Republicans, but in no way, shape or form are the Democrats responsible for ANYTHING bad that has happened! Everything else is the problem BUT them!

:roll:

Why would I blame the party that has the right policies, and not the party causing the problems?

Democrat Gray Davis repealed the car license suspension that was passed in the dot com boom, when it ended; his policy had a balanced budget.

Republicans reversed his policy and brought us big defcits over the objection of Democrats;
they abused their power to hold the budget hostage.

They've at times even been quoted admitting that they're pretty happy to throw a monkey wrench and hurt things to 'prove a point' about the 'bad democrats'.

They seem to have a vew that they're doing so badly politically that the worse they can make the conditions in the state the more it helps them to get to blame Democrats.

You have shown yourself to have some real defects with your logic. In this case, your argument is simply that there's *nothing* wrong with Democrats' policies?

Well, that's not what I said, that there's 'nothing' wrong they've done, but they're a lot better than the Republicans - so your post said nothing, really.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Uh, actually, that's EXACTLY what it's supposed to mean, according to the left. If you are against or dislike anything, you're automatically labeled a hateful bigot by the left!

Apparently you didn't get the talking points memo. I guess you're just not high enough on the chain.

It's okay...keep it up, and maybe someday, somebody will notice and you can be in the loop!

:laugh:

No surprise that you're clueless what liberals believe.

It's not that liberals don't dislike some things - it's *why*.

Opposing interracial marriage is rooted in racism - disliking people for race is not liberal.

Disliking the racists who *do* oppose interracial marriage is disliking people hurting others - and that's perfectly consistent with liberalism.

 

[JeepinEd]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: her209
http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/Stat...0/6110/department.html

It says there are approximate 6.3 million kids. The Department of Education's budget is $56.8 billion. That means it costs approximately $9,000 dollars a year per kid.

:Q

That's pretty close to the national average. That's also a lot more than Japan and South Korea spend per student. We're not getting much of a return on that investment.

In Rochester, NY it's in the low teens per student. Want to know what the highschool graduation rate is? 39%.

Seriously?!? :Q That's just a stunning number.

California's graduation rate is at 50%. Not much better for a state that spends more money on education than the entire GDP of some countries.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: Craig234
What's with the hate for fat people? Sheesh. Nasty makes sense, fat doesn't, as an attack.

Fat is a choice.

Not nearly as much of a choice as your stupidity.