When are they going to send this Cindy Sheehan to Jail...

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Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Actually, I do have more right to complain about it because personal flames are not supposed to be permissable in this forum. ATP&N is not Crawford and TLC is not Cindy Sheehan. There are different rules here.

Since you seem to think it's ok to personally flame others in many threads on this forum, that argument holds absolutely no water. Oh, but you never flame first... right.
Oh, that right, I forgot. It's my fault for responding in kind to those that flame me. Kind of like claiming that it's not the fault of the burglar that broke into some guys house. It's the guy's own fault for not having better windows. :roll:

 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Actually, I do have more right to complain about it because personal flames are not supposed to be permissable in this forum. ATP&N is not Crawford and TLC is not Cindy Sheehan. There are different rules here.
Since you seem to think it's ok to personally flame others in many threads on this forum, that argument holds absolutely no water. Oh, but you never flame first... right.
Oh, that right, I forgot. It's my fault for responding in kind to those that flame me. Kind of like claiming that it's not the fault of the burglar that broke into some guys house. It's the guy's own fault for not having better windows. :roll:
:laugh:
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Sure she is. That must be why the Right is pulling out all stops to try and shut her up.

Last time I checked, the right has done absolutely nothing to take away this woman's freedom of speech...what the right has done, which they are quite effective at, is attacking the credibility of the messenger, and therefore the political viability of the message.

Then again, her message is little beyond an attention grabbing media circus, that will quickly and quietly fade once the next big story hits...she has at most a couple of hundred supporters standing by her side...if the protestors numbered in the thousands, perhaps it would have the weight of credility.

Take notice how your sensible response gets no attention. Much easier to rant and argue with extreme points of view than discuss things intelligently. :(

That's a good point, and yet look at the OP that started this whole thing: "When are they going to send this Cindy Sheehan to Jail... for being nothing more than a STALKER to the president?"

That doesn't strike you as a bit harsh for some mom of a dead soldier? Now we're going to lock her up for protesting? And see, that's just the kind of over-the-top BS the right is throwing at this lady. Go visit freerepublic.com and take notice of some of the vicious, slanderous things the right is saying about this woman. Not to mention some of the vitriol spewed in this thread alone.

So let's discuss things intelligently, but with the tone set by the OP I doubt that's going to happen.

I think I've made it perfectly clear how I feel about this thread and the OP's postion and attitude - hence the reason I've tried to stay mostly out of it. To blast the OP is like shooting fish in a barrel - and many "liberals" here enjoying it as if it's a real sport.
 

RadiclDreamer

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Originally posted by: Necrosaro420
for being nothing more than a STALKER to the president?


WAHHHH You Killed my son! Your son VOLENTEERED for the ARMY, this is what ARMY's do, your son KNEW what could HAPPEN, your son KNEW there were GUNS, EXPLOSIONS envolved. They showed a clip where you had got on TV 3 years ago, you LOVED Bush then...Go home you stalker.

Typical republiCRAP
 

arsbanned

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Crawford protest moves nearer to Bush
Neighbor lets demonstrators use land
The landowner is a relative of the rancher who fired shots into the air Sunday, saying he was preparing for dove season, said Cindy Sheehan, the California woman who has maintained a vigil outside Bush's ranch since August 6. (Full story)

Fred Mattlage, 52, said he's offering the site to Sheehan as "an act of compassion for a parent that's lost a son in combat."


http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/17/crawford.protest/index.html

Now there's a human being. He'd better watch it, his relative might use him for target practice, by accident of course. ;)
 

Necrosaro420

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I just loved how they had a clip of this moron from a few year's ago how she was saying that she supports the war in Iraq and how her son is protecting our freedom, and now she has done a 180 and is 100% against it. I bet she's related to Kerry.
 

KarenMarie

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mother of fallen soldier meets the president.... says... he is a man of faith, he made me laugh for the first time in ages, he gave me peace.

meets michael moore and the radical left and says... you murdered my son, i wont pay taxes, you are a creep.

this is such a non-issue... please! her son not only served his time, but he decided to re-enlist. he was a grown man and made this decision. He died a hero... no question.

she is either a moron who is being led around by the left wing radicals for pubicity, or she is a lunatic mother so engulfed in grief that she cannot see that her whole family has denounced her, and her husband is divorcing her cause she is out of her mind.

either way... she is a non issue for this war.
 

montanafan

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Cindy Sheehan aside, or maybe not completely aside, but not the main focus, does anyone else of a certain age feel something familiar about what seems to be taking place in the country in regards to the growing anti-Iraq sentiment? Does anyone else remember the way the tide slowly turned during the Vietnam War? Not that I think that it'll get to the intensity of those times, but I've been noticing on the local news and in the local papers more and more parents of soldiers killed in Iraq and veterans of prior wars speaking out about their opposition to the war or showing sympathy and support for protestors of the war like the veteran in Crawford offering his land to the protestors.

Remember how at first it was doves versus hawks and you're either with us or against us, "love it or leave it" and how polarizing that was and really accomplished nothing; and then more mothers and parents and veterans started to sympathize with the protestors and then join with them in calling for and end to the war? It made it seem more respectable or less radical to oppose the war.

I don't see Cindy Sheehan as "the Rosa Parks of the protest movement" as some have called her, but I do see this protest in Texas as bringing more attention to the real loss and suffering being felt by a growing number of American families as a result of this war. It's something that a lot of people can relate to and sympathize with regardless of their politics.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Necrosaro420
I just loved how they had a clip of this moron from a few year's ago how she was saying that she supports the war in Iraq and how her son is protecting our freedom, and now she has done a 180 and is 100% against it. I bet she's related to Kerry.

Link to clip. Hmmm.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: KarenMarie
mother of fallen soldier meets the president.... says... he is a man of faith, he made me laugh for the first time in ages, he gave me peace.

meets michael moore and the radical left and says... you murdered my son, i wont pay taxes, you are a creep.

this is such a non-issue... please! her son not only served his time, but he decided to re-enlist. he was a grown man and made this decision. He died a hero... no question.

she is either a moron who is being led around by the left wing radicals for pubicity, or she is a lunatic mother so engulfed in grief that she cannot see that her whole family has denounced her, and her husband is divorcing her cause she is out of her mind.

either way... she is a non issue for this war.

I suggest you read some of the links that show your paraphrasing of her quotes, making up quotes, and quotes being taken out of context is laughable. In particular, The Reporter . Even more laughable is your feeble attempt to paint her husbands divorce filing as something you perceive it to be even though you have NO proof of your asinine allegations. Funniest of all is your stating that her WHOLE family = a sister in law who has always been a strong Republican who saw Casey at best once a year who won't allow herself to be interviewed.

I would love to see YOUR links where you got this information you are posting here... better yet... save it.

And it might come as a shock to you but not all people that re-enlist in the service do so because they believe in war, some do it for the money, some do it to get more schooling and training, some do it because of the camaraderie. If THAT is all you have as PROOF that he supported the war a'la Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly you need to go back to square one.

Also looking for proof of your allegation of some meeting with Michael Moore, Furthermore that said meeting changed her stand on the war and Bush. Funny, all I can find are internet know-it-alls (only a handful) who are making this claim. Talk about your conspiracy theories!

:roll:

 

sandorski

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At one time many thought Saddam was months away from Nuking the US and a real threat. Now that it has ben proven he was nowhere near a threat to anyone(not even all those within his own borders), you bet people are changin their minds about supporting this War. They'd be stupid not to.
 

arsbanned

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Originally posted by: KarenMarie
mother of fallen soldier meets the president.... says... he is a man of faith, he made me laugh for the first time in ages, he gave me peace.

meets michael moore and the radical left and says... you murdered my son, i wont pay taxes, you are a creep.

this is such a non-issue... please! her son not only served his time, but he decided to re-enlist. he was a grown man and made this decision. He died a hero... no question.

she is either a moron who is being led around by the left wing radicals for pubicity, or she is a lunatic mother so engulfed in grief that she cannot see that her whole family has denounced her, and her husband is divorcing her cause she is out of her mind.

either way... she is a non issue for this war.

Many people across the country disagree with you. She's providing focus to those who disagree with this war. Your personal attacks don't surprise me since they are representative of the character assasination Republicans unleash on people who disagree with them. Sheehan changed her mind. That's not a bad thing to some of us who don't see everything in black and white. Only thick-headed fools are unable to change course even in the face of the most obvious evidence they should.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: sandorski
At one time many thought Saddam was months away from Nuking the US and a real threat. Now that it has ben proven he was nowhere near a threat to anyone(not even all those within his own borders), you bet people are changin their minds about supporting this War. They'd be stupid not to.
:thumbsup:

In the court of public opinion, Bush's invasion was doomed from the start. The invasion was an act of agression. The American public's support for it was built on lies. Those lies taint everything about it (even the good things like the ouster of Hussein). As those lies are exposed, loss of public support is inevitable.

The people attacking Cindy Sheehan are shooting the messenger. Bush lacked the honor and integrity to be straight with America about his reasons for attacking Iraq. He was then too stubborn and short-sighted to plan for securing the peace. This growing anti-war backlash is his responsibilty, not hers.
 

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Originally posted by: Necrosaro420
for being nothing more than a STALKER to the president?


WAHHHH You Killed my son! Your son VOLENTEERED for the ARMY, this is what ARMY's do, your son KNEW what could HAPPEN, your son KNEW there were GUNS, EXPLOSIONS envolved. They showed a clip where you had got on TV 3 years ago, you LOVED Bush then...Go home you stalker.


Bawhahaha,a stalker? Protesting this NAZI administration is now stalking? Jesus,QUIT watching FOX and get informed. Yeah,alot of kids sign up for service to PROTECT OUR COUNTRY-no to be LIED to for months about WMD which we ALL know now was nothing but Bush lieing out his ass to get us into Iraq. Cindy supported her son and Chimps war when she was drinking the kool-aid and really believed all the WMD bulls##t. She now knows over a year after the death of her son that it was all LIES. Hell,do you blame her? If you lost a loved one in a put-up,nothing but BS lies type of phony War you'd be pissed at Bush also.

Doesn't matter the rough,tough George Bush "cut and run" for Idaho where he could find someone/anyone who agrees with him on this lies based War.

 

oslama

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Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Let me kill a loved one of yours for absolutely no reason whatsoever. We'll see how "irrational" you become.

Ditto
 

catnap1972

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Originally posted by: sandorski
At one time many thought Saddam was months away from Nuking the US and a real threat. Now that it has ben proven he was nowhere near a threat to anyone(not even all those within his own borders), you bet people are changin their minds about supporting this War. They'd be stupid not to.

BU...BU...BUT we need somebody with RESOLVE...somebody who will STAY THE COURSE!

Like when you realize you're on a path to drive your car off a cliff or into a building, you don't turn, you ACCELERATE!
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: catnap1972
Originally posted by: sandorski
At one time many thought Saddam was months away from Nuking the US and a real threat. Now that it has ben proven he was nowhere near a threat to anyone(not even all those within his own borders), you bet people are changin their minds about supporting this War. They'd be stupid not to.

BU...BU...BUT we need somebody with RESOLVE...somebody who will STAY THE COURSE!

Like when you realize you're on a path to drive your car off a cliff or into a building, you don't turn, you ACCELERATE!

Hey, it's Toonces!!!
 

ExpertNovice

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Originally posted by: Necrosaro420
I just loved how they had a clip of this moron from a few year's ago how she was saying that she supports the war in Iraq and how her son is protecting our freedom, and now she has done a 180 and is 100% against it. I bet she's related to Kerry.

Supporting the President didn't pay as well.
 

RightIsWrong

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Just something that I have been wondering about.....

Did they file those formal charges against Delay, Frist, the FRC and all of the others that were "stalking" that Schiavo woman? I mean, the way they crept around outside of her residence and wouldn't leave.....deplorable.
 

ExpertNovice

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Originally posted by: montanafan
Cindy Sheehan aside, or maybe not completely aside, but not the main focus, does anyone else of a certain age feel something familiar about what seems to be taking place in the country in regards to the growing anti-Iraq sentiment? Does anyone else remember the way the tide slowly turned during the Vietnam War? Not that I think that it'll get to the intensity of those times, but I've been noticing on the local news and in the local papers more and more parents of soldiers killed in Iraq and veterans of prior wars speaking out about their opposition to the war or showing sympathy and support for protestors of the war like the veteran in Crawford offering his land to the protestors.

Remember how at first it was doves versus hawks and you're either with us or against us, "love it or leave it" and how polarizing that was and really accomplished nothing; and then more mothers and parents and veterans started to sympathize with the protestors and then join with them in calling for and end to the war? It made it seem more respectable or less radical to oppose the war.

I don't see Cindy Sheehan as "the Rosa Parks of the protest movement" as some have called her, but I do see this protest in Texas as bringing more attention to the real loss and suffering being felt by a growing number of American families as a result of this war. It's something that a lot of people can relate to and sympathize with regardless of their politics.



Yes, I remember vividly how the Communists who supported North Vietnam primarily showed one side of the story and issues. I remember quite well how a few radicals from California got the media attention. How these radicals went to various states (who was paying for this?) to incite riots.

You saw an example in Crawford. There were three "groups" there.
1. 400 supporters. They got little attention and were even included with pictures of the protestors as if they were the protestors.

2. ~30 protestors from, gee, California! They have been getting media attention for over two weeks now.

3. One rancher who did a stupid, albeit legal, thing. He also got quite a bit of media attention.

Nope, no bias. :/


You also see this same attitude of the left who are so obviously trying to subvert America into the Fascist nation so desired when you look at the Minutemen.

A group that has dedicated themselves to peaceably patrolling the borders of America (Mexico and Canada). They have a strict no contact rule and call the border patrol when felons, including terrorists, drug dealers, and gangs cross the border. The media calls them vigilante's and terrorists.

To counter them liberal groups have sent armed and unarmed individuals to harrass the group. These groups have shot at and attacked the Minutemen. They have tried to incite violence between the Minutemen and the felons crossing the border. Just like the Iraq liberation hating liberals they hope the minutemen are all killed. (Remember the hope of liberals that our soldiers suffer a thousand Mogadishus.)

In all cases the liberals and "mainstream" media side with the felons, drug dealers, terrorists, Communists, Fascists, mass murdering dictators, Islamic radicals ... all for the sake of peace.
 

ExpertNovice

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Originally posted by: sandorski
At one time many thought Saddam was months away from Nuking the US and a real threat. Now that it has ben proven he was nowhere near a threat to anyone(not even all those within his own borders), you bet people are changin their minds about supporting this War. They'd be stupid not to.


When was it proven? Prove the proof of your statement.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Sysbuilder05

Bawhahaha,a stalker? Protesting this NAZI administration is now stalking? Jesus,QUIT watching FOX and get informed. Yeah,alot of kids sign up for service to PROTECT OUR COUNTRY-no to be LIED to for months about WMD which we ALL know now was nothing but Bush lieing out his ass to get us into Iraq. Cindy supported her son and Chimps war when she was drinking the kool-aid and really believed all the WMD bulls##t. She now knows over a year after the death of her son that it was all LIES. Hell,do you blame her? If you lost a loved one in a put-up,nothing but BS lies type of phony War you'd be pissed at Bush also.

Doesn't matter the rough,tough George Bush "cut and run" for Idaho where he could find someone/anyone who agrees with him on this lies based War.

Sorry, Sys, but when you start throwing around the NAZI accusation, you tend to lose all credibility for the remainder of your post - which is sad, as it appears you may have had some valid points buried in your hatespeech.
 

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Originally posted by: Sysbuilder05

Bawhahaha,a stalker? Protesting this NAZI administration is now stalking? Jesus,QUIT watching FOX and get informed. Yeah,alot of kids sign up for service to PROTECT OUR COUNTRY-no to be LIED to for months about WMD which we ALL know now was nothing but Bush lieing out his ass to get us into Iraq. Cindy supported her son and Chimps war when she was drinking the kool-aid and really believed all the WMD bulls##t. She now knows over a year after the death of her son that it was all LIES. Hell,do you blame her? If you lost a loved one in a put-up,nothing but BS lies type of phony War you'd be pissed at Bush also.

Doesn't matter the rough,tough George Bush "cut and run" for Idaho where he could find someone/anyone who agrees with him on this lies based War.

Yes, Bush is a Nazi...:roll:

Bush is a Nazii!!!
He Lied!! No WMDs!!!

When will the bush-bashers realize this crap won't get them anywhere? And what's their plan? Simply pull out of Iraq tomorrow? Brilliant idea...

 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: CeilingHoles
Originally posted by: Sysbuilder05

Bawhahaha,a stalker? Protesting this NAZI administration is now stalking? Jesus,QUIT watching FOX and get informed. Yeah,alot of kids sign up for service to PROTECT OUR COUNTRY-no to be LIED to for months about WMD which we ALL know now was nothing but Bush lieing out his ass to get us into Iraq. Cindy supported her son and Chimps war when she was drinking the kool-aid and really believed all the WMD bulls##t. She now knows over a year after the death of her son that it was all LIES. Hell,do you blame her? If you lost a loved one in a put-up,nothing but BS lies type of phony War you'd be pissed at Bush also.

Doesn't matter the rough,tough George Bush "cut and run" for Idaho where he could find someone/anyone who agrees with him on this lies based War.

Yes, Bush is a Nazi...:roll:

Bush is a Nazii!!!
He Lied!! No WMDs!!!

When will the bush-bashers realize this crap won't get them anywhere? And what's their plan? Simply pull out of Iraq tomorrow? Brilliant idea...

Comparing Bush to Hilter is wrong. I agree. Hitler an exit strategy that included a bullet in his head.