When are they going to send this Cindy Sheehan to Jail...

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: CeilingHoles

Originally posted by: Sysbuilder05

Bawhahaha,a stalker? Protesting this NAZI administration is now stalking? Jesus,QUIT watching FOX and get informed. Yeah,alot of kids sign up for service to PROTECT OUR COUNTRY-no to be LIED to for months about WMD which we ALL know now was nothing but Bush lieing out his ass to get us into Iraq. Cindy supported her son and Chimps war when she was drinking the kool-aid and really believed all the WMD bulls##t. She now knows over a year after the death of her son that it was all LIES. Hell,do you blame her? If you lost a loved one in a put-up,nothing but BS lies type of phony War you'd be pissed at Bush also.

Doesn't matter the rough,tough George Bush "cut and run" for Idaho where he could find someone/anyone who agrees with him on this lies based War.

Yes, Bush is a Nazi...:roll:

Bush is a Nazii!!!
He Lied!! No WMDs!!!

When will the bush-bashers realize this crap won't get them anywhere? And what's their plan? Simply pull out of Iraq tomorrow? Brilliant idea...

Comparing Bush to Hilter is wrong. I agree. Hitler an exit strategy that included a bullet in his head.

I'm sure he can always ask Kerry to shoot him in the back. John's had practice.

 

[RichPLS]

Comparing Bush to Hilter is wrong. I agree. Hitler an exit strategy that included a bullet in his head.

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Lost in that fantasy . . .

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[dannybin1742]

quote:
Originally posted by: dannybin1742

quote:
WAHHHH You Killed my son! Your son VOLENTEERED for the ARMY, this is what ARMY's do, your son KNEW what could HAPPEN, your son KNEW there were GUNS, EXPLOSIONS envolved. They showed a clip where you had got on TV 3 years ago, you LOVED Bush then...Go home you stalker.



thats funny considering this is a talking point on fux news, shutup, bill oreilly keeps mensioning these quotes from 3 years back, go to media matters or crooks andliars.com and see what she really said, fux has been making up quotes.


Considering all the talking points in here from the left sounding as if they come cut & pasted from DU and D-KOS (remember how to "frame" those issues, boiz), you have little room to talk.

well why dont' you just go read the real unedited quotes and STFU, stop listing to the red echo chamber

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: dannybin1742

quote:
Originally posted by: dannybin1742

quote:
WAHHHH You Killed my son! Your son VOLENTEERED for the ARMY, this is what ARMY's do, your son KNEW what could HAPPEN, your son KNEW there were GUNS, EXPLOSIONS envolved. They showed a clip where you had got on TV 3 years ago, you LOVED Bush then...Go home you stalker.



thats funny considering this is a talking point on fux news, shutup, bill oreilly keeps mensioning these quotes from 3 years back, go to media matters or crooks andliars.com and see what she really said, fux has been making up quotes.


Considering all the talking points in here from the left sounding as if they come cut & pasted from DU and D-KOS (remember how to "frame" those issues, boiz), you have little room to talk.

well why dont' you just go read the real unedited quotes and STFU, stop listing to the red echo chamber

Woah. Talk a deep breath, learn how to accurately quote, then come rant.. please.

 

[dwcal]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: syzygy
bush will continue to ignore her and gain sympathy points from the masses.

Sympathy? What is there to feel sorry for President Bush over?

Call a Waaaaaaaaambulance! The voters are disagreeing!

 

[dwcal]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If every soldier's mother raises hell how are we going to have wars?

We won't unless there's a draft, and there won't be a draft because it's political suicide. The all-volunteer army is toast. The number one complaint of Army recruiters is parents talking the kids out of enlisting. You can live in denial and think happy thoughts like spreading democracy and building schools, but when it comes time risk your own child, most parents won't because they know the war is a hopeless meatgrinder. To all the Bush/war cheerleaders: what's your excuse for not enlisting?

 

[Piobaireachd]

Cindy Sheehan is nothing but a tragedy pimp.

 

[kb3edk]

Originally posted by: Necrosaro420
I just loved how they had a clip of this moron from a few year's ago how she was saying that she supports the war in Iraq and how her son is protecting our freedom, and now she has done a 180 and is 100% against it. I bet she's related to Kerry.

Well, losing a child in a war is a traumatic experience that can tend to change someone's personal views.

Accusing someone of being a "flip-flopper" does not automatically make you right and them wrong.

Look at it from the other side of the political spectrum. Suppose someone who is ardently opposed to the death penalty has a close family member killed in a vicious murder. When the killer is apprehended, imagine the victim's family member as the loudest voice in the courtroom demanding an execution. Is this person a flip-flopper? Is their viewpoint any less valid just because they held different ones in the past?

Another example: Michael Savage, the far-right talk radio personality, has himself stated that he was a liberal in the 60s and 70s. Does this mean all the right-wingers automatically reject his viewpoints? Has anyone ever compared this man to John Kerry? Of course not... and Savage is right up there with Limbaugh and Hannity in the right wing circle of idols.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: BBond
Hey syzygy, haven't you seen the polls lately? Symapthy for BUSH???

His numbers are on a par with Johnson's numbers back when Johnson decided not to run for a second term. The ONLY saving grace about Bush is that he can't run again.

Sympathy. ROTFLMAO

I bet if the election happened again right now, he would still beat Kerry.
I think Bush is one of the worst presidents ever, but he's already been elected twice, I don't think there's anything he could do that would make the die hard ignorant "we vote by party or religious lines" population of America turn against him. I think technology and communication may have doomed us all, it allows fools to gather from all over and ignore local community leaders who truly have the best interests of the community at heart.

I suppose the vice versa is true, but I don't like liberals who vote by party or religious lines any better, plus I don't think they're as concerned over the fate of the country as conservatives.

If Bush was a Man he'd have met with her already, but he's not so it's no surprise he whines on camera about the ever generic "the enemy" as if meeting this distraught Mother will lead to the collapse of Civilization. He's been a Coward all his life, why should he change now?

Well said, maybe I'd have some faith in the man if I could see him do the hard things, the difficult things that no one wants to do, and show he's even somewhat of a leader.

 

[Staples]

Republicans hate freedom of assembly?

 

[CeilingHoles]

Originally posted by: kb3edk

Originally posted by: Necrosaro420
I just loved how they had a clip of this moron from a few year's ago how she was saying that she supports the war in Iraq and how her son is protecting our freedom, and now she has done a 180 and is 100% against it. I bet she's related to Kerry.

Well, losing a child in a war is a traumatic experience that can tend to change someone's personal views.

Accusing someone of being a "flip-flopper" does not automatically make you right and them wrong.

Look at it from the other side of the political spectrum. Suppose someone who is ardently opposed to the death penalty has a close family member killed in a vicious murder. When the killer is apprehended, imagine the victim's family member as the loudest voice in the courtroom demanding an execution. Is this person a flip-flopper? Is their viewpoint any less valid just because they held different ones in the past?

Another example: Michael Savage, the far-right talk radio personality, has himself stated that he was a liberal in the 60s and 70s. Does this mean all the right-wingers automatically reject his viewpoints? Has anyone ever compared this man to John Kerry? Of course not... and Savage is right up there with Limbaugh and Hannity in the right wing circle of idols.

Her opinion of the war hasn't changed, but her description of her meeting with President Bush has.

 

[jamerdean]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Most of you Dildos weren't even alive when the Vietnam Protests we going on.

Stick around and watch - you've got a lot to learn.

Bush ain't getting no sympathy on this one, the public won't side with him.

I am part of the public and I side with the president

jam

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: jamerdean

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Most of you Dildos weren't even alive when the Vietnam Protests we going on.

Stick around and watch - you've got a lot to learn.

Bush ain't getting no sympathy on this one, the public won't side with him.

I am part of the public and I side with the president

jam

An ever shrinking part.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: CeilingHoles

Originally posted by: Sysbuilder05

Bawhahaha,a stalker? Protesting this NAZI administration is now stalking? Jesus,QUIT watching FOX and get informed. Yeah,alot of kids sign up for service to PROTECT OUR COUNTRY-no to be LIED to for months about WMD which we ALL know now was nothing but Bush lieing out his ass to get us into Iraq. Cindy supported her son and Chimps war when she was drinking the kool-aid and really believed all the WMD bulls##t. She now knows over a year after the death of her son that it was all LIES. Hell,do you blame her? If you lost a loved one in a put-up,nothing but BS lies type of phony War you'd be pissed at Bush also.

Doesn't matter the rough,tough George Bush "cut and run" for Idaho where he could find someone/anyone who agrees with him on this lies based War.

Yes, Bush is a Nazi...:roll:

Bush is a Nazii!!!
He Lied!! No WMDs!!!

When will the bush-bashers realize this crap won't get them anywhere? And what's their plan? Simply pull out of Iraq tomorrow? Brilliant idea...

Comparing Bush to Hilter is wrong. I agree. Hitler an exit strategy that included a bullet in his head.

I'm sure he can always ask Kerry to shoot him in the back. John's had practice.

Or maybe Bush could ask his dad to abandon his aircraft in flight with him onboard like he did to his crew in WWII.

 

[BBond]

The chicken's baseless, ignorant comment reminded me of this excellent piece by Frank Rich in the NY Times that I'm sure everyone here will enjoy.

The Swift Boating of Cindy Sheehan

By FRANK RICH
Published: August 21, 2005

CINDY SHEEHAN couldn't have picked a more apt date to begin the vigil that ambushed a president: Aug. 6 was the fourth anniversary of that fateful 2001 Crawford vacation day when George W. Bush responded to an intelligence briefing titled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States" by going fishing. On this Aug. 6 the president was no less determined to shrug off bad news. Though 14 marine reservists had been killed days earlier by a roadside bomb in Haditha, his national radio address that morning made no mention of Iraq. Once again Mr. Bush was in his bubble, ensuring that he wouldn't see Ms. Sheehan coming. So it goes with a president who hasn't foreseen any of the setbacks in the war he fabricated against an enemy who did not attack inside the United States in 2001.

When these setbacks happen in Iraq itself, the administration punts. But when they happen at home, there's a game plan. Once Ms. Sheehan could no longer be ignored, the Swift Boating began. Character assassination is the Karl Rove tactic of choice, eagerly mimicked by his media surrogates, whenever the White House is confronted by a critic who challenges it on matters of war. The Swift Boating is especially vicious if the critic has more battle scars than a president who connived to serve stateside and a vice president who had "other priorities" during Vietnam.

The most prominent smear victims have been Bush political opponents with heroic Vietnam résumés: John McCain, Max Cleland, John Kerry. But the list of past targets stretches from the former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke to Specialist Thomas Wilson, the grunt who publicly challenged Donald Rumsfeld about inadequately armored vehicles last December. The assault on the whistle-blower Joseph Wilson - the diplomat described by the first President Bush as "courageous" and "a true American hero" for confronting Saddam to save American hostages in 1991 - was so toxic it may yet send its perpetrators to jail.

True to form, the attack on Cindy Sheehan surfaced early on Fox News, where she was immediately labeled a "crackpot" by Fred Barnes. The right-wing blogosphere quickly spread tales of her divorce, her angry Republican in-laws, her supposed political flip-flops, her incendiary sloganeering and her association with known ticket-stub-carrying attendees of "Fahrenheit 9/11." Rush Limbaugh went so far as to declare that Ms. Sheehan's "story is nothing more than forged documents - there's nothing about it that's real."

But this time the Swift Boating failed, utterly, and that failure is yet another revealing historical marker in this summer's collapse of political support for the Iraq war.

When the Bush mob attacks critics like Ms. Sheehan, its highest priority is to change the subject. If we talk about Richard Clarke's character, then we stop talking about the administration's pre-9/11 inattentiveness to terrorism. If Thomas Wilson is trashed as an insubordinate plant of the "liberal media," we forget the Pentagon's abysmal failure to give our troops adequate armor (a failure that persists today, eight months after he spoke up). If we focus on Joseph Wilson's wife, we lose the big picture of how the administration twisted intelligence to gin up the threat of Saddam's nonexistent W.M.D.'s.

The hope this time was that we'd change the subject to Cindy Sheehan's "wacko" rhetoric and the opportunistic left-wing groups that have attached themselves to her like barnacles. That way we would forget about her dead son. But if much of the 24/7 media has taken the bait, much of the public has not.

The backdrops against which Ms. Sheehan stands - both that of Mr. Bush's what-me-worry vacation and that of Iraq itself - are perfectly synergistic with her message of unequal sacrifice and fruitless carnage. Her point would endure even if the messenger were shot by a gun-waving Crawford hothead or she never returned to Texas from her ailing mother's bedside or the president folded the media circus by actually meeting with her.

The public knows that what matters this time is Casey Sheehan's story, not the mother who symbolizes it. Cindy Sheehan's bashers, you'll notice, almost never tell her son's story. They are afraid to go there because this young man's life and death encapsulate not just the noble intentions of those who went to fight this war but also the hubris, incompetence and recklessness of those who gave the marching orders.

Specialist Sheehan was both literally and figuratively an Eagle Scout: a church group leader and honor student whose desire to serve his country drove him to enlist before 9/11, in 2000. He died with six other soldiers on a rescue mission in Sadr City on April 4, 2004, at the age of 24, the week after four American security workers had been mutilated in Falluja and two weeks after he arrived in Iraq. This was almost a year after the president had declared the end of "major combat operations" from the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln.

According to the account of the battle by John F. Burns in The Times, the insurgents who slaughtered Specialist Sheehan and his cohort were militiamen loyal to Moktada al-Sadr, the anti-American Shiite cleric. The Americans probably didn't stand a chance. As Mr. Burns reported, members of "the new Iraqi-trained police and civil defense force" abandoned their posts at checkpoints and police stations "almost as soon as the militiamen appeared with their weapons, leaving the militiamen in unchallenged control."

Yet in the month before Casey Sheehan's death, Mr. Rumsfeld typically went out of his way to inflate the size and prowess of these Iraqi security forces, claiming in successive interviews that there were "over 200,000 Iraqis that have been trained and equipped" and that they were "out on the front line taking the brunt of the violence." We'll have to wait for historians to tell us whether this and all the other Rumsfeld propaganda came about because he was lied to by subordinates or lying to himself or lying to us or some combination thereof.

As The Times reported last month, even now, more than a year later, a declassified Pentagon assessment puts the total count of Iraqi troops and police officers at 171,500, with only "a small number" able to fight insurgents without American assistance. As for Moktada al-Sadr, he remains as much a player as ever in the new "democratic" Iraq. He controls one of the larger blocs in the National Assembly. His loyalists may have been responsible for last month's apparently vengeful murder of Steven Vincent, the American freelance journalist who wrote in The Times that Mr. Sadr's followers had infiltrated Basra's politics and police force.

Casey Sheehan's death in Iraq could not be more representative of the war's mismanagement and failure, but it is hardly singular. Another mother who has journeyed to Crawford, Celeste Zappala, wrote last Sunday in New York's Daily News of how her son, Sgt. Sherwood Baker, was also killed in April 2004 - in Baghdad, where he was providing security for the Iraq Survey Group, which was charged with looking for W.M.D.'s "well beyond the admission by David Kay that they didn't exist."

As Ms. Zappala noted with rage, her son's death came only a few weeks after Mr. Bush regaled the Radio and Television Correspondents' Association banquet in Washington with a scripted comedy routine featuring photos of him pretending to look for W.M.D.'s in the Oval Office. "We'd like to know if he still finds humor in the fabrications that justified the war that killed my son," Ms. Zappala wrote. (Perhaps so: surely it was a joke that one of the emissaries Mr. Bush sent to Cindy Sheehan in Crawford was Stephen Hadley, the national security adviser who took responsibility for allowing the 16 errant words about doomsday uranium into the president's prewar State of the Union speech.)

Mr. Bush's stand-up shtick for the Beltway press corps wasn't some aberration; it was part of the White House's political plan for keeping the home front cool. America was to yuk it up, party on and spend its tax cuts heedlessly while the sacrifice of an inadequately manned all-volunteer army in Iraq was kept out of most Americans' sight and minds. This is why the Pentagon issued a directive at the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom forbidding news coverage of "deceased military personnel returning to or departing from" air bases. It's why Mr. Bush, unlike Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter, has not attended funeral services for the military dead. It's why January's presidential inauguration, though nominally dedicated to the troops, was a gilded $40 million jamboree at which the word Iraq was banished from the Inaugural Address.

THIS summer in Crawford, the White House went to this playbook once too often. When Mr. Bush's motorcade left a grieving mother in the dust to speed on to a fund-raiser, that was one fat-cat party too far. The strategy of fighting a war without shared national sacrifice has at last backfired, just as the strategy of Swift Boating the war's critics has reached its Waterloo before Patrick Fitzgerald's grand jury in Washington. The 24/7 cable and Web attack dogs can keep on sliming Cindy Sheehan. The president can keep trying to ration the photos of flag-draped caskets. But this White House no longer has any more control over the insurgency at home than it does over the one in Iraq.

 

[zendari]

There is no need to "swift boat" Cindy Sheehan. Her actions and words do that to herself.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: zendari
There is no need to "swift boat" Cindy Sheehan. Her actions and words do that to herself.

You're so full of sh!t your eyes are brown.

When are you heading off to Iraq to replace the son she lost, Bushie???

Or will you follow your fearless leaders' examples?

 

[BBond]

Click on Bush's quote in my sig, Bushie. See how many mothers are mourning their sons deaths because of the lies your ilk defend.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: zendari
There is no need to "swift boat" Cindy Sheehan. Her actions and words do that to herself.

LOL, except the truth trumps your lies. Keep trying, good for a Sunday morning laugh if nothing else.

 

[UptheMiddle]

From the liberals favorite source of INFORMATION....Rush Limbaugh!!

Well, the Rasmussen group went out there and they did the poll and here are the results. "Cindy Sheehan, a grieving mother who maintained..." and, again, we support her loss, but not her thoughts, "...the grieving mother who maintained an antiwar protest outside of President Bush's ranch viewed favorably by 35% of the American people, unfavorably by 38% of the people. She's viewed favorably by 34% of men, 35% of women; 42% of men and 34% of women have an unfavorable view." In fact, according to the Rasmussen reports polling data, "People see in Sheehan what they want to see. Opinion about her is largely based on views of the war, rather than on views about her," and of course that doesn't surprise me because nobody's focusing on anything she says. What she says, we're supposed to ignore because she has moral authority. So whatever she says, you can't hold whatever she says against her.

 

[nageov3t]

I don't know if this has been posted yet, as I've been away from P&N for a few days, but I found this article to be a really great read:

I need to know why

Mother of soldier killed in Iraq explains her vigil outside President Bush's ranch

By CELESTE ZAPPALA

A week after my son, Sgt. Sherwood Baker, arrived in Baghdad last year, President Bush held court for journalists at the 60th annual Radio and Television Correspondents' Association dinner in Washington. Part of the show that night was to pretend to look for WMD under the lectern. There were staged pictures of Mr. Bush looking for them under the rug in the Oval Office. Everyone present got a great laugh.
With a crucial election looming last year, the President thought it politically prudent to simultaneously indulge in self-deprecating humor about not finding WMD while he kept American soldiers in the dangerous search for those weapons.

I talked to Sherwood shortly after the President's circus show. He wasn't finding anything funny about his mission in Iraq. Sherwood was knee deep in the real search for WMD. He was providing security for the Iraq Survey Group, which was still looking for those weapons well beyond the admission by David Kay that they didn't exist.

The days were long and hot. They began to ration his food and water. On April 26, 2004, a month after Mr. Bush's standup routine, Sherwood's unit was in Baghdad inspecting buildings. That building exploded. Sherwood was killed.

Sher's death brings me on an unlikely journey to Crawford, Tex. I join Cindy Sheehan, who has established a camp here.

My family is gathering with me as we hold our own vigil. We believe that we finally deserve a meeting with the President, one that has been denied us for the last 16 months.

We bring with us here the desire to share our humble story. We want the President to hear us talk about Sherwood. Perhaps he can answer some questions for us. We want to know why Sher, a case worker for the mentally handicapped, had to say goodbye to his wife and 10-year-old son to participate in the negligent endeavor that is the Iraq War.

We'd like to know what he finds noble about instigating and maintaining a war with a country that posed no threat to our country.

We'd like to know if he still finds humor in the fabrications that justified the war that killed my son.

I have a good feeling that we're going to finally have our face-to-face. We're a Christian family, and we believe in miracles. We share that faith with the President. Therefore, I need to believe that he has the humility to hear our story. I need to believe he has the courage to embrace our grief. I want to believe he has the capacity to talk to us like human beings without injecting his party-line rhetoric.

I want to believe all of these things. For I am witness to a truth shared by too many families in this country. As a Gold Star mother and as a citizen of this country, I believe our vacationing President has the time to hear that truth.

Zappala lives in Philadelphia. Her son was a member of the Pennsylvania National Guard.

Originally published on August 14, 2005

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/337010p-287873c.html

 

[UptheMiddle]

And some more Liberal cheer!
If you have genuine compassion, you have to feel sorry for these people, the way they're just being used as a political football by the left and by the media. I mean, it's just sad to see. But your point: Victory is not in their (liberals) vocabulary. I mean, they're not oriented toward winning anything, that's something positive. These people are oriented toward losing. These are defeatists. These are people who have already lost. These are people that don't have any conception of victory. Victory to them is obscene. Victory to them is ignoble. Victory to them is unjust -- particularly if it's the United States winning, and particularly if it's the United States military winning. We don't deserve to win. We're a rotten nation. We're murderers. We're spreading nuclear detonation and destruction all over the world. It's horrible. We don't deserve to win. This is where you're missing their point, Brian. They're not interested in victory. They want defeat. They want misery, so that they'll feel comfortable with other people who are in misery. That's how they're going to be made to be happy. The only way these people will be happy is if they're right -- and what would it take for them to be right? We'd have to lose. We'd have to lose and Bush would have to be impeached or, worse, killed, if you read some of their websites. They're not on the same page as you are, pal. Victory? What's that? Victory is something Bush does by stealing votes and doctoring voting machines in Ohio. Victory is something that is stolen from these people. Victory is not something that happens. That's not legitimate. Victory is cheating. There's no such thing as victory. It's not in their words. Victory to them would be destroying some institution or some series of people or, you know, some effort the country's making. That victory to them. They're not on the same page. I mean, you're not even in the same ballpark with these people

 

[BBond]

We want to know why Sher, a case worker for the mentally handicapped, had to say goodbye to his wife and 10-year-old son to participate in the negligent endeavor that is the Iraq War.

We'd like to know what he finds noble about instigating and maintaining a war with a country that posed no threat to our country.

We'd like to know if he still finds humor in the fabrications that justified the war that killed my son.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: UptheMiddle
And some more Liberal cheer!
If you have genuine compassion, you have to feel sorry for these people, the way they're just being used as a political football by the left and by the media. I mean, it's just sad to see. But your point: Victory is not in their (liberals) vocabulary. I mean, they're not oriented toward winning anything, that's something positive. These people are oriented toward losing. These are defeatists. These are people who have already lost. These are people that don't have any conception of victory. Victory to them is obscene. Victory to them is ignoble. Victory to them is unjust -- particularly if it's the United States winning, and particularly if it's the United States military winning. We don't deserve to win. We're a rotten nation. We're murderers. We're spreading nuclear detonation and destruction all over the world. It's horrible. We don't deserve to win. This is where you're missing their point, Brian. They're not interested in victory. They want defeat. They want misery, so that they'll feel comfortable with other people who are in misery. That's how they're going to be made to be happy. The only way these people will be happy is if they're right -- and what would it take for them to be right? We'd have to lose. We'd have to lose and Bush would have to be impeached or, worse, killed, if you read some of their websites. They're not on the same page as you are, pal. Victory? What's that? Victory is something Bush does by stealing votes and doctoring voting machines in Ohio. Victory is something that is stolen from these people. Victory is not something that happens. That's not legitimate. Victory is cheating. There's no such thing as victory. It's not in their words. Victory to them would be destroying some institution or some series of people or, you know, some effort the country's making. That victory to them. They're not on the same page. I mean, you're not even in the same ballpark with these people

You people are just pi$$ed that, although you can limit Bush's exposure during staged pep rallies, you can't limit his exposure when the mothers of the men and women dying in Iraq for Bush's lies start publicly asking the questions.

And judging from the way things are going in Iraq, you'd do better preaching that victory crapola to Geroge W. Bush.

 

[Piobaireachd]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: UptheMiddle
And some more Liberal cheer!
If you have genuine compassion, you have to feel sorry for these people, the way they're just being used as a political football by the left and by the media. I mean, it's just sad to see. But your point: Victory is not in their (liberals) vocabulary. I mean, they're not oriented toward winning anything, that's something positive. These people are oriented toward losing. These are defeatists. These are people who have already lost. These are people that don't have any conception of victory. Victory to them is obscene. Victory to them is ignoble. Victory to them is unjust -- particularly if it's the United States winning, and particularly if it's the United States military winning. We don't deserve to win. We're a rotten nation. We're murderers. We're spreading nuclear detonation and destruction all over the world. It's horrible. We don't deserve to win. This is where you're missing their point, Brian. They're not interested in victory. They want defeat. They want misery, so that they'll feel comfortable with other people who are in misery. That's how they're going to be made to be happy. The only way these people will be happy is if they're right -- and what would it take for them to be right? We'd have to lose. We'd have to lose and Bush would have to be impeached or, worse, killed, if you read some of their websites. They're not on the same page as you are, pal. Victory? What's that? Victory is something Bush does by stealing votes and doctoring voting machines in Ohio. Victory is something that is stolen from these people. Victory is not something that happens. That's not legitimate. Victory is cheating. There's no such thing as victory. It's not in their words. Victory to them would be destroying some institution or some series of people or, you know, some effort the country's making. That victory to them. They're not on the same page. I mean, you're not even in the same ballpark with these people

You people are just pi$$ed that, although you can limit Bush's exposure during staged pep rallies, you can't limit his exposure when the mothers of the men and women dying in Iraq for Bush's lies start publicly asking the questions.

And judging from the way things are going in Iraq, you'd do better preaching that victory crapola to Geroge W. Bush.

I served my time you chicken sh*t piece of crap. How much service time have you done? Yeah, I thought so. Whiny cry baby pant loads like you just p*ss me off.