Its over kids. When a mom speaks up all moms will listen. The next election is for the demos to lose (and they are capable). If they can field anything they will win. Half of the US electorate just became demorcrats in the last week (moms).
Cindy Sheehan and the president have talked before, about two months after Casey's death, when Sheehan and her husband, Patrick, joined other grieving parents for a private meeting with Bush at Fort Lewis in Washington.
The Sheehans debated before the meeting whether to confront Bush with their criticism but decided it would be inappropriate.
"I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis," she told The Reporter, her hometown paper in Vacaville, after the session. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith."
Sheehan now says that Bush treated the meeting as if it were "a tea party" and behaved inappropriately by referring to her as "mom."
In an interview at her Crawford campsite, Sheehan said her initial reaction to Bush reflected her grief and shock over her son's recent death. Her anger toward the president increased with the failure to find weapons of mass destruction and the release of a British memo questioning the White House rationale for war.
By her own description, this former Catholic youth minister has become an anti-war radical.
"Maybe I always was radical, but I never really was well-informed," she said. "I don't pussyfoot around. This situation demands strong language. I don't let people tell me that Casey was lost - he was murdered."
Members of the far left have embraced her, and she has adopted their language. In a June interview with Socialist Worker Online, Sheehan scoffed at suggestions that the United States should "finish the job" in Iraq.
"How can you finish imperialism? It doesn't end, it just spreads," she said. "Some people think that we're fighting terrorism over there. But when is that job ever going to be complete? Terrorism is just a new `ism.' It was `communism' when I was growing up."
In person, sitting beside a quiet country road in Texas, Sheehan is friendly, engaging and open. She acknowledges that her tactics and tough talk might alienate other military moms.
"The people who think their child died for a noble cause, they might need to believe that," she said. "But one day, they might wake up and realize it is not a noble cause."
http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/nation/12361333.htm
The Sheehans debated before the meeting whether to confront Bush with their criticism but decided it would be inappropriate.
"I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis," she told The Reporter, her hometown paper in Vacaville, after the session. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith."
Sheehan now says that Bush treated the meeting as if it were "a tea party" and behaved inappropriately by referring to her as "mom."
In an interview at her Crawford campsite, Sheehan said her initial reaction to Bush reflected her grief and shock over her son's recent death. Her anger toward the president increased with the failure to find weapons of mass destruction and the release of a British memo questioning the White House rationale for war.
By her own description, this former Catholic youth minister has become an anti-war radical.
"Maybe I always was radical, but I never really was well-informed," she said. "I don't pussyfoot around. This situation demands strong language. I don't let people tell me that Casey was lost - he was murdered."
Members of the far left have embraced her, and she has adopted their language. In a June interview with Socialist Worker Online, Sheehan scoffed at suggestions that the United States should "finish the job" in Iraq.
"How can you finish imperialism? It doesn't end, it just spreads," she said. "Some people think that we're fighting terrorism over there. But when is that job ever going to be complete? Terrorism is just a new `ism.' It was `communism' when I was growing up."
In person, sitting beside a quiet country road in Texas, Sheehan is friendly, engaging and open. She acknowledges that her tactics and tough talk might alienate other military moms.
"The people who think their child died for a noble cause, they might need to believe that," she said. "But one day, they might wake up and realize it is not a noble cause."
http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/nation/12361333.htm
umbrella39
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I have been trying to explain this for days now (bolded above). Because she didn't when she had the chance, the right is trying to marginalize her and are trying to blow the hallowed smoke up our collective asses stating she loved the guy back then. I can't imagine too many people would have used that forum at that time with other grieving parents around to badger Bush and ask him questions. And since she didn't do it then, she should just shut up and go away.
umbrella39
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Cindy Sheehan, mother of a soldier killed in Iraq, has drawn significant media attention for staging an anti-war protest outside President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, where she is demanding to meet with the president.
On August 8, Internet gossip Matt Drudge posted an item on his website, the Drudge Report, in which he falsely claimed that Sheehan "dramatically changed her account" of a meeting she had with Bush in June 2004; Drudge attempted to back up his false assertion by reproducing Sheehan quotes from a 2004 newspaper article without providing their context.
After the story appeared on the Drudge Report, it gained momentum among conservative weblogs and eventually reached Fox News, where it was presented as hard news and in commentaries. Media Matters for America will examine how one false story on an Internet gossip site ended up the focus of prime-time cable news coverage.
Drudge's August 8 item claiming that Sheehan had changed her story used quotes from a June 24, 2004, article in The Reporter of Vacaville, California, where Sheehan lives. The Reporter article described a meeting that Sheehan and 16 other families of soldiers killed in Iraq had with Bush in Fort Lewis, Washington, earlier that month. Sheehan's son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, was killed in Iraq in April 2004.
Drudge quoted Sheehan seemingly speaking glowingly of Bush: "'I now know [Bush is] sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,' Cindy said after their meeting. 'I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith,' " and, "For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again. 'That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy said." Drudge contrasted these quotes to Sheehan's statements on the August 7 edition of CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer, in which she said, of the 2004 meeting with Bush: "We wanted to use the time for him to know that he killed an indispensable part of our family and humanity."
Drudge, however, took Sheehan's quotes from The Reporter out of context in falsely claiming a shift in her position. The June 24, 2004, Reporter article also quoted Sheehan expressing her misgivings about Bush and the Iraq war:
"We haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled," Cindy said. "The president has changed his reasons for being over there every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached."
The 10 minutes of face time with the president could have given the family a chance to vent their frustrations or ask Bush some of the difficult questions they have been asking themselves, such as whether Casey's sacrifice would make the world a safer place.
But in the end, the family decided against such talk, deferring to how they believed Casey would have wanted them to act. In addition, Pat noted that Bush wasn't stumping for votes or trying to gain a political edge for the upcoming election.
Moreover, Sheehan was not referring to her meeting with Bush as "the gift the president gave us." She was actually referring to the trip to Seattle, as Reporter staff writer Tom Hall noted in an August 9 article responding to Drudge: "Sheehan also said the trip to Seattle helped connect her family to others that had lost a son or daughter in Iraq. Sheehan said sharing their story with those families was rewarding, as was the time she got to spend with her own family. 'That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' she said in the story. Drudge included that quote in his Monday morning report, but didn't explain that it referred to sharing time with her family, not the president."
Reporter editor Diane Barney also responded to Drudge in an August 9 column, in which she said that Sheehan's positions on Bush and the war have not changed since June 2004. "We don't think there has been a dramatic turnaround. Clearly, Cindy Sheehan's outrage was festering even then," Barney wrote. "In ensuing months, she has grown more focused, more determined, more aggressive. ... We invite readers to revisit the story -- in context -- on our Web site and decide for themselves." An August 8 Editor & Publisher article quoted Barney further clarifying the paper's position: "It's important that readers see the full context of the story, instead of just selected portions. We stand by the story as an accurate reflection of the Sheehan's take on the meeting at the time it was published."
Taken from link in previous post.
Let this women do her thing. If the right is right, it will just makes things so much better for them in 2006. Since they are making such a stink about it, it leads me to believe they don't like the Iraq invasion and the lies we were told making it out there in such vast quantities; and in particular, their champion Bush with egg on his face.
On August 8, Internet gossip Matt Drudge posted an item on his website, the Drudge Report, in which he falsely claimed that Sheehan "dramatically changed her account" of a meeting she had with Bush in June 2004; Drudge attempted to back up his false assertion by reproducing Sheehan quotes from a 2004 newspaper article without providing their context.
After the story appeared on the Drudge Report, it gained momentum among conservative weblogs and eventually reached Fox News, where it was presented as hard news and in commentaries. Media Matters for America will examine how one false story on an Internet gossip site ended up the focus of prime-time cable news coverage.
Drudge's August 8 item claiming that Sheehan had changed her story used quotes from a June 24, 2004, article in The Reporter of Vacaville, California, where Sheehan lives. The Reporter article described a meeting that Sheehan and 16 other families of soldiers killed in Iraq had with Bush in Fort Lewis, Washington, earlier that month. Sheehan's son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, was killed in Iraq in April 2004.
Drudge quoted Sheehan seemingly speaking glowingly of Bush: "'I now know [Bush is] sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,' Cindy said after their meeting. 'I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith,' " and, "For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again. 'That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy said." Drudge contrasted these quotes to Sheehan's statements on the August 7 edition of CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer, in which she said, of the 2004 meeting with Bush: "We wanted to use the time for him to know that he killed an indispensable part of our family and humanity."
Drudge, however, took Sheehan's quotes from The Reporter out of context in falsely claiming a shift in her position. The June 24, 2004, Reporter article also quoted Sheehan expressing her misgivings about Bush and the Iraq war:
"We haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled," Cindy said. "The president has changed his reasons for being over there every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached."
The 10 minutes of face time with the president could have given the family a chance to vent their frustrations or ask Bush some of the difficult questions they have been asking themselves, such as whether Casey's sacrifice would make the world a safer place.
But in the end, the family decided against such talk, deferring to how they believed Casey would have wanted them to act. In addition, Pat noted that Bush wasn't stumping for votes or trying to gain a political edge for the upcoming election.
Moreover, Sheehan was not referring to her meeting with Bush as "the gift the president gave us." She was actually referring to the trip to Seattle, as Reporter staff writer Tom Hall noted in an August 9 article responding to Drudge: "Sheehan also said the trip to Seattle helped connect her family to others that had lost a son or daughter in Iraq. Sheehan said sharing their story with those families was rewarding, as was the time she got to spend with her own family. 'That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' she said in the story. Drudge included that quote in his Monday morning report, but didn't explain that it referred to sharing time with her family, not the president."
Reporter editor Diane Barney also responded to Drudge in an August 9 column, in which she said that Sheehan's positions on Bush and the war have not changed since June 2004. "We don't think there has been a dramatic turnaround. Clearly, Cindy Sheehan's outrage was festering even then," Barney wrote. "In ensuing months, she has grown more focused, more determined, more aggressive. ... We invite readers to revisit the story -- in context -- on our Web site and decide for themselves." An August 8 Editor & Publisher article quoted Barney further clarifying the paper's position: "It's important that readers see the full context of the story, instead of just selected portions. We stand by the story as an accurate reflection of the Sheehan's take on the meeting at the time it was published."
Taken from link in previous post.
Let this women do her thing. If the right is right, it will just makes things so much better for them in 2006. Since they are making such a stink about it, it leads me to believe they don't like the Iraq invasion and the lies we were told making it out there in such vast quantities; and in particular, their champion Bush with egg on his face.
Well, DAMN you Bowfinger. You always have to bring out that Communist Manifesto, the Constitution. DAMN YOU! DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
I know. I've always been such a radical.
And on that note, this thread is now ... OVAH!
Edit: To work I go now!
cKGunslinger
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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Are we now wishing death upon the forum member's children?
Including the useless tools mocking a woman who's son died in Iraq...?
I see you posted at the same time as I made my edit for clarity. Yes, 90% of the people participating in this "discussion," including the OP, are being complete and utter asshats. They have taken their standard political stance on the issue, as dictated by the talking heads, and dragged the entire issue to their one-side - she's either a saint among humanity, or a demon-spawned bi[/b]tch. And anyone here who actually believes in or promotes this patently stupid and utterly useless rhetoric is completely impotent when it comes to anything even approaching intelligent discussion about a very real issue.
Case in point.
As pathetic as she is, she has the right to do what she does.
The real shame goes to the "mainstream" media who not only shows her constantly and ignores those who show their support for the President but actually uses photos of the supporters and makes it appear as if they are the protesters.
She has also been shown to be lieing about the President. At least her son says she is lieing.
Should we expect anything less from those of her ilk?
I would suggest it is code pink and now george soros who are taking advantage of this woman. Her stories change constantly indicating a script somone has given her getting confused with a script given by another getting confused by the truth.
According to Sheehan; "My son was brave; he didn't want to go to war. But he joined the Army and he volunteered to go on the mission that killed him because his buddies needed to be rescued. "
So, he didn't want to go but he volunteered. Then, when his buddies were attacked by "insurgents" (ROFL, when will terrorists be morphed into peace keepers by the liberals) he volunteered to help with the rescue. Cindy says:
So Cindy says, he didn't want to go, didn't have to go, but volunteered. Now, WHO is making the assumption that they know what he thought?
Cindy said; "This country is not worth dying for.? Of course, she seems to proudly display the Islamic Crescent Moon. Since she says her son was a devout Christian and an Eagle Scout she seems to dislike his country and God.
I thought it was her other son that I heard but it may have been a friend. He was with her when she met with President Bush. According to him and Cindy's husband, she is lying about the encounter. According to them and others she is lying about Casey's beliefs.
Again, who is "dishonoring him by thinking you know how he felt about the war."?
Let me guess. Cindy should have performed a late term abortion on Casey when he volunteered to join the military. Thus, raising hell to prevent a war.
Should we also cut our own heads off or allow the terrorist to do it. Of course, I'm speaking not for you but for all the non-Muslims around the world.
CaptnKirk
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The 'News Story' here is that there is a woman who's son died in this war in Iraq, and she feels it is her constitutional right
to air her greivence in protest ot the policy of this Administration - as guaranteed by the Constitution of our nation.
Then there's the 'Spin' of a Conservative Machine, including FOX - that feels that they have to engage in character assassination
on anyone who dares to think outside the collective mindset of their Extreme Right Agenda.
In effect a well co-ordinated and organized minority opinion is trying to tell everyone how they must think . . .and follow, blind policy.
35 % of the population will sit around and drool, cheering like WWF fans when there is a Smack-Down by their control freak Talking Heads.
to air her greivence in protest ot the policy of this Administration - as guaranteed by the Constitution of our nation.
Then there's the 'Spin' of a Conservative Machine, including FOX - that feels that they have to engage in character assassination
on anyone who dares to think outside the collective mindset of their Extreme Right Agenda.
In effect a well co-ordinated and organized minority opinion is trying to tell everyone how they must think . . .and follow, blind policy.
35 % of the population will sit around and drool, cheering like WWF fans when there is a Smack-Down by their control freak Talking Heads.
I always felt the story was why her tune changed in 12 months and what made her special enough to visit the president twice over the same time.
TastesLikeChicken
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B...b...but, her son died. Somehow that gives Sheehan special permission to jump off the deep end and engage in a political hackery session that ultimately shows zero respect for her son's death.
Is anyone else tired of the left playing the appeal to emotion card yet in order to excuse this woman's behavior?
If she really wanted to know why her son died in Iraq, she'd be camped out on Dick Cheney's lawn.
yllus
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I don't see what political points can be scored by either Dems or Repubs on this issue. There is no way in hell that the President is going to confront the angry mother of a slain soldier in front of the press; coward or fearless, it's a no-win situation. He's met her once and expressed his grief.
Good for her for being passionate about the stand she's assumed on the war issue, but this is obviously more about playing partisan politics with her own son's death and that's sort of sad.
Good for her for being passionate about the stand she's assumed on the war issue, but this is obviously more about playing partisan politics with her own son's death and that's sort of sad.
We murdered your child fair and square. Get over it lady. You're bothering my conscience. It always makes me feel how worthless I feel when there's some threat I might be wrong. That's why I thank God for the crack pipe of the Neocons and Fox News. Nobody's gonna take from me the FACT that I'm a HERO and that a soldier who die to fatten my ego isn't a HERO too.
Well, it's her son, so I would presume she could show "respect" whatever way she wanted. Who the F are you to tell her otherwise?
And why does she need an excuse for her behavior? Her son died in Iraq and she wants to make a point that she feels it was for no damned good reason. I bet a good chunk of the American public feels the same way about the war. Typical of you to sit on the sidelines and make judgements about people.
And of course, you and the other hacks around here only villify her and dig up dirt about her personal life because she's opposed to the war in Iraq. I certainly don't see you doing the same thing with the flag-wavers who are lock-step with the administration. It's a passive-aggressive method to try and shut her down because she's getting some media attention.
And so yes, Cindy has an agenda and leftist groups are capitalizing on the attention. Who the F cares? She's speaking her mind and that's the way this country works.
Perhaps you didn't read his post correctly?
He's reacting to the OP. He's saying "Why is it ok to protest the protest, if you think they shouldn't be protesting near Bush's ranch."
Frankly, I don't agree with his point. If you're against the protest, that doesn't mean you against protests in general.
However, you're lack of understanding of what his point was is far worse. Do you make it a conscious habit to selectively read/listen?
TastesLikeChicken
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The point is that she's not showing her son any respect. She's practising some of the worst forms of political hackery and using her son as a bludgeon to do so.
And why does she need an excuse for her behavior? Her son died in Iraq and she wants to make a point that she feels it was for no damned good reason. I bet a good chunk of the American public feels the same way about the war. Typical of you to sit on the sidelines and make judgements about people.
And of course, you and the other hacks around here only villify her and dig up dirt about her personal life because she's opposed to the war in Iraq. I certainly don't see you doing the same thing with the flag-wavers who are lock-step with the administration. It's a passive-aggressive method to try and shut her down because she's getting some media attention.
And so yes, Cindy has an agenda and leftist groups are capitalizing on the attention. Who the F cares? She's speaking her mind and that's the way this country works.[/quote]
Says one of the people who couldn't stand the Swifties. Puhleeze pontificate some more about the wrongheadedness of digging up dirt on someone and making judgements. Or about marching in lock-step with an ideoogy.
The irony and hypocrisy of your statements is just amazing. :roll:
I actually posted in another thread that I respected the way Bush initially responded to Ms. Sheehan's protest. I thought that he sounded sincere and gave a very good, heartfelt reply. Then I read a later response from him to another question about her.
He has to "go on with HIS life"? Is this what being a "compasionate conservative" is all about? Also, just reading between the lines....the fact that he has to call himself that kinda implies that there is nothing compasionate about basic conservativism.
Uh....sorry I got your kid killed lady, but please don't dwell out in front too long. I am trying to get on with the rest of my life.
He has to "go on with HIS life"? Is this what being a "compasionate conservative" is all about? Also, just reading between the lines....the fact that he has to call himself that kinda implies that there is nothing compasionate about basic conservativism.
Uh....sorry I got your kid killed lady, but please don't dwell out in front too long. I am trying to get on with the rest of my life.
That's merely your opinion. Do I need to reiterate that it's her son so she can respect him however she likes. Seems to me you should keep your moral indignation to yourself and butt out.
Way to make a personal attack Chicken! Way to mix apples and oranges! Oh please, go find some posts where I say it's acceptable to dig up dirt on the Swift Boat Vets. Can you? I bet you can't. Nice attempt at a duh-version though. Please try and stay on topic, k?
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