When are the Pals going to get their own state?

[SandEagle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRHqU8H1CVk

so they can stop squatting on occupied territories? :sneaky:

Holy Land clerics bless Palestinian UN bid

http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.3c0263595c71e78940603d36986e4caa.151

JERUSALEM — Priests in the Holy Land used their sermons on Sunday to give their blessing to the Palestinians' bid for United Nations membership.

 

[a777pilot]

When they recognize the right of and the actual existence of the State of Israel.

Actually\, I don't care one bit if they ever get a state.

 

[Lemon law]

Thank you SandEagle for another Israeli Palestinian thread, but to give you a short answer,
As long as the Government of Israel is ruled by Netanyuhu, and his coalition of crazed settler parties, peace and progress between Arab, Palestinians, and Israelis will not occur until either one or the another condition occurs. (a) Rational Israelis give Bozo Netanyuhu and his coalition of crazed idiots the ole heave ho. (b) The world community does the same thing that they did to the Apartheid State of State of South Africa, and slap an economic embargo on them.

Since neither A or B is now happening, que in another P&N pissing contest as we keep kicking rationality ever further down the road as the issue festers and gets more and more ever dangerous.

Rapture and the plains of Armageddon here we come, WW3 yeehaw, the only question will the second coming of Jesus Christ side with the Palestinians or Israelis?

Meanwhile color me disgusted.

 

[Rainsford]

When they recognize the right of and the actual existence of the State of Israel.

Actually\, I don't care one bit if they ever get a state.

Well that's the problem, isn't it? Nobody wants to give any ground, and both sides are completely convinced that they're perfectly justified in feeling that the other guys can just go to hell. Not exactly a good environment for creating a solution.

 

[ProfJohn]

When they recognize the right of the existence of the State of Israel.

 

[Lemon law]

When they recognize the right of the existence of the State of Israel.

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What a stupid comment, the Arabs recognized The Israeli state at the Annapolis conference.

But now the new demand by Netanyuhu & his fellow idiots is that the world recognize Israeli as a religious State. Something Israel never tried before because it automatically says only Jews have human rights. Not only only in the 1948 borders of Israel, but in disputed territories as well.

But let us reconize other kookie religious States, there is the Taliban, the Mullahs of Iran, and now lets add Israel.

 

[Karl Agathon]

When they recognize the right of the existence of the State of Israel.

+1

 

[EagleKeeper]

The Palestinians have not recognized Israel. The Arabs conditionally did so if Israel would bend over.

Or are the Arabs running the Palestinians still?

 

[woodie1]

When they recognize the right of the existence of the State of Israel.

+2

 

[Jhhnn]

When they recognize the right of the existence of the State of Israel.

So, uhh, when did the Israelis recognize the right of the existence of the state of Palestine?

I mean, in real terms, like *not occupying it* and not nibbling off pieces of it in a relentless fashion?

 

[Lemon law]

The Palestinians have not recognized Israel. The Arabs conditionally did so if Israel would bend over.

Or are the Arabs running the Palestinians still?

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Your question EK is somewhat conditional on whom Israel wants to deal with. Israel can easily make peace with a non-violent entity like Fatah and Abbas, or if Israel feels froggie they can deal with Hamas, and every stateless terrorist on the planet.

As for their previous Israeli friends in Turkey, Jordon, and Egypt, Bozo Netanyuhu has alienated them in the space of a single year.

As for Germany and the EU, with Merkel being the last friend in the EU Israel could count on, Bozo Netanyuhu done totally alienated Germany in the past week or so.

Yup you are right EK, Israel is really on a roll as they drag the USA into total diplomatic isolation.

 

[JEDIYoda]

What a stupid comment, the Arabs recognized The Israeli state at the Annapolis conference.

No the Arabs did NOT recognize Israel at the Annapolis conference!
Formal recognition and agreeing to work with are NOT the same thing!!

Please show me a link where the Arabs formally recognized israel right to mexist as a nation.....

 

[Orignal Earl]

When they recognize the right of the existence of the State of Israel.

So this is a required thing now?
If you want to bring your bid for statehood to the UN, first off you must recognize Israel?


Over the last month, the settlers in Israel have been going nuts.
Burning down a mosque a day practically. Uprooting the Pals olive trees
Attacking the IDF.
Not a peep in here.

Next week someone will post how a Pal went nuts and shot an settler and point out how Islam drove him to it...

 

[randomrogue]

Both sides are guilty of many things. However I do agree that you can't exactly expect Israel to give up territory that it won to a people that doesn't agree they should exist.

I could have sworn though that Fatas had acknowledged their right to exist while Hamas had not.

 

[SandEagle]

76% of the US does not recognize Canada's right to exist, but look at how that turned out

 

[EagleKeeper]

So, uhh, when did the Israelis recognize the right of the existence of the state of Palestine?

I mean, in real terms, like *not occupying it* and not nibbling off pieces of it in a relentless fashion?

There is no State of Palestine at this point.

The Arabs were against it back in the pre '48 time frame.

A state of Palestine only became a topic of discussion when Jordan lost the West Bank in '67 conflict.

There was no talk of a Palestinian state when the Arabs controlled the land.

Why?

 

[EagleKeeper]

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Your question EK is somewhat conditional on whom Israel wants to deal with. Israel can easily make peace with a non-violent entity like Fatah and Abbas, or if Israel feels froggie they can deal with Hamas, and every stateless terrorist on the planet.

As for their previous Israeli friends in Turkey, Jordon, and Egypt, Bozo Netanyuhu has alienated them in the space of a single year.

As for Germany and the EU, with Merkel being the last friend in the EU Israel could count on, Bozo Netanyuhu done totally alienated Germany in the past week or so.

Yup you are right EK, Israel is really on a roll as they drag the USA into total diplomatic isolation.

Hamas is the elected representative of the Palestinians at this point.

Unless there will be a western supported coup to put in a different leadership (Egypt, Libya, etc)

Another projection of diplomatic isolation.

Everytime you talk like such - your reputation increases

 

[Broheim]

So this is a required thing now?
If you want to bring your bid for statehood to the UN, first off you must recognize Israel?


Over the last month, the settlers in Israel have been going nuts.
Burning down a mosque a day practically. Uprooting the Pals olive trees
Attacking the IDF.
Not a peep in here.

Next week someone will post how a Pal went nuts and shot an settler and point out how Islam drove him to it...

bullshit, there's no shortage of bleeding heart muslim apologists here and you should know, you are one, eventhough you like to claim neutrality.

 

[Orignal Earl]

bullshit, there's no shortage of bleeding heart muslim apologists here and you should know, you are one, eventhough you like to claim neutrality.

What bullshit?

 

[ProfJohn]

So this is a required thing now?
If you want to bring your bid for statehood to the UN, first off you must recognize Israel

Yep, pretty much works like that.

Right from the UN charter
1. The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.

2. All Members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the present Charter.

3. All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.

4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.


Kind of hard to be a member of a club if you refuse to accept another member of the club. Like trying to join the MLB with a new team, but proclaiming that you will never play the Yankees because you don't like them.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Yep, pretty much works like that.

Right from the UN charter
1. The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.

2. All Members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the present Charter.

3. All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.

4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.


Kind of hard to be a member of a club if you refuse to accept another member of the club. Like trying to join the MLB with a new team, but proclaiming that you will never play the Yankees because you don't like them.

No, it's a lot more complicated then that.
Think of China and the Republic of China

 

[boochi]

Push the Palestinians into the Sinai and let them make a country there. The Egyptians tried to wipe any trace of Israel off the map in 1967 and lost all of the Sinai. Israel gave it back when Egypt agreed to Israel's right to exist. Now the Egyptian leadership wants to rattle its saber's at Israel. Take back the Sinai by force if you have to and put ALL of the Palestinians there.

 

[Orignal Earl]

"Israel has no diplomatic relations with 36 UN member states, 20 of them members of the 22-member Arab League, while majority of the remaining states are Muslim majority countries. Some of the countries, with which Israel has no diplomatic relations, accept Israeli passports and acknowledge other Israeli marks of sovereignty."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Israel

 

[Orignal Earl]

Push the Palestinians into the Sinai and let them make a country there. The Egyptians tried to wipe any trace of Israel off the map in 1967 and lost all of the Sinai. Israel gave it back when Egypt agreed to Israel's right to exist. Now the Egyptian leadership wants to rattle its saber's at Israel. Take back the Sinai by force if you have to and put ALL of the Palestinians there.

Japan attacked America, throw the native Americans into the Pacific.

lol

I gotta go play with the kids now, have a happy gooble day

 

[Doppel]

How many people here actually, honestly care about this? I know it's a divisive issue and so good fodder for those who like to argue, but really?