When are the new Nvidia cards coming out?

[dadach]

Originally posted by: Denithor
Well, I tried to go from a 9600GT to a 4850 when I got in on the $150 Best Buy deal at launch week. But even once I got the temps under control I couldn't play WoW smoothly. Lots of jerkiness and occassional hardlocks forced me to return the 4850 and go back to the 9600GT (which played it just fine at max everything).

I have tried ATi cards off and on over the last several years (9800 Pro was great, x1900gt was good while it lasted) but the 4850 just didn't work for me. Went to an 8800GTS 512MB next and now use a GTX 260. Recently I'm buying only nVidia because their cards fold better than ATi.

you did reinstall the OS, drivers and the game from scratch when you switched to ati right?

 

[nRollo]

Edited

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: berenski1972
<snip>

-ViRGE

Nice of you to join the forum to post some off topic flame bait.

What was your name here yesterday?

lol, who cares. That stuff is funny!

 

[ronnn]

:laugh: That was worth a watch.

 

[BFG10K]

I?ve commented numerous times about the driver situation so for now I?ll just focus on the OP?s original question, namely the 55 nm refresh he wanted to now about.

Details are still sketchy but the latest rumors put the refresh as arriving in early December with a 50% power reduction over the existing 65 nm cores.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index....view&id=10473&Itemid=1

http://theovalich.wordpress.co...90-and-quadro-fx-5800/

 

[nRollo]

Edited, post has been removed

 

[Pelu]

hm... this recalls to my mind some old forum post about power supplies... apparently when a power supply is turning into a trouble maker... (sometimes new ones start whining out the box), people start bashing the drivers... or the OS.. or something else...

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: berenski1972
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-ViRGE

:laugh: That was worth a watch.

Lol that was definitely worth a watch.

Originally posted by: nRollo
Looks to me like a Charlie Demarjian NVIDIA slam, short on fact, long on FUD and flame bait.

if I put something like this together about ATi cards and posted it here, you and every other ATi fan on the board would be reporting my post, asking for me to be banned.

Comeon that was obviously in jest and was pretty well done. Put something like that together about ATI (I encourage you to do it) and I'd bet that most people would have a laugh about it, rather than get angry about it.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: berenski1972
<snip>

-ViRGE

:laugh: That was worth a watch.

Lol that was definitely worth a watch.

Originally posted by: nRollo
Looks to me like a Charlie Demarjian NVIDIA slam, short on fact, long on FUD and flame bait.

if I put something like this together about ATi cards and posted it here, you and every other ATi fan on the board would be reporting my post, asking for me to be banned.

Comeon that was obviously in jest and was pretty well done. Put something like that together about ATI (I encourage you to do it) and I'd bet that most people would have a laugh about it, rather than get angry about it.

Yea seriously, get a sense of humor.

 

[413xram]

I'm waiting for "G4Saurus'S" next release. ROFL I might like that with my WC setup.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: thilan29
Comeon that was obviously in jest and was pretty well done. Put something like that together about ATI (I encourage you to do it) and I'd bet that most people would have a laugh about it, rather than get angry about it.

It had some amusing parts, like the dinosaur at the disco. I don't think it would fly for me to put something like that on the boards though.

My personal favorite was a Bollywood someone put up here with two talking cowboys, one asking "me" what could be done about the new ATi card because they were pretty good. (with "me" replying "Let's go spread some FUD!") I laughed long and hard about that one.

Off topic: Why be sad about a 9850BE at stock? I've got that CPU in one of my rigs, I like it a lot. Not what I'd pick to power high end multi card like a 4870X2 or GTX260 SLi, but it's a pretty good match for a single card.

 

[413xram]

Rollo watched like a hawk since Nvidia 6800 release...nothing meant against you Rollo

 

[Slugbait]

Originally posted by: apoppin

I'm sure this sounds like bashing, but really, I'm just helping to point out that ATi won't work for everyone in every configuration. I've personally had a few issues with nVidia in the past as well, but nothing bad enough to get me to try switching to ATi.

And i notice your entire experiences are "years ago"
. . you talk about Rage .. 1999 .. and NT server .. and 2nd hand

As I said, I got a new dev box early this year. I was using Windows 2003 (the most recent NT server at that time), and later only a few co-workers were using Windows 2008...they ran into the same issue. Consumer ATi cards have always been completely unsupported on NT server, and nothing has changed with 2K8.

And yeah, I talk about Rage. At one point, we all did. ATi released a $400 card that couldn't beat a $300 card, and then they declare after shipping, and all the benchmarks hit the web, that the drivers were actually beta...but assured us that "final" drivers would match their speed claims. Then they canceled driver development on Rage so they could concentrate on something in the future that they called "Radeon". There were a lot of people who were a bit upset.

2nd hand? My wife worked from home (international company and all...). My machine was literally less than 10 feet away from hers...I read the emails and dumps myself. And that friend of mine isn't the only CAD person I know...

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: nRollo
Looks to me like a Charlie Demarjian NVIDIA slam, short on fact, long on FUD and flame bait.

if I put something like this together about ATi cards and posted it here, you and every other ATi fan on the board would be reporting my post, asking for me to be banned.

Comeon that was obviously in jest and was pretty well done. Put something like that together about ATI (I encourage you to do it) and I'd bet that most people would have a laugh about it, rather than get angry about it.

This is why whoever posted that used a pseudonym. I agree with Rollo - old history would not go over well if that was posted by an ATi sales person.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: nRollo
Off topic: Why be sad about a 9850BE at stock? I've got that CPU in one of my rigs, I like it a lot. Not what I'd pick to power high end multi card like a 4870X2 or GTX260 SLi, but it's a pretty good match for a single card.

Well, I'm more sad that I'm having crappy luck with so far 2 different 790GX boards from Gigabyte and Asus (BIOS updates are needed badly). The Gigabyte crapped out on me (no POST, just 2 short beeps continuously) and is being RMAed (I was actually using it at stock since OCing was very finicky), and this Asus is a pain to OC with (even mildly). However, I just now figured out how to work around a quirk (BIOS settings fail on a boot but just reapply the same settings and it boots fine the next time and is stable ) and have the CPU up to 2.9GHz (3GHz+ is definitely doable with this chip but I'm keeping the voltage at 1.375v for now).

Originally posted by: ronnn
This is why whoever posted that used a pseudonym. I agree with Rollo - old history would not go over well if that was posted by an ATi sales person.

I dunno, I think it was pretty creative and funny. I personally wouldn't care WHO posted it...it's funny regardless of who put it up. Anyway, it was removed. Are there any like that about ATI?

 

[BenSkywalker]

Wait, you are commenting on drivers you have never even used? Lol, worse then Rollo.

You don't play MMOs, do you? I don't update my nV drivers very often either, couldn't tell you what I was running atm. I know the first driver I installed has worked flawlessly- so I don't mess with it. Getting an extra 4fps and causing several wipes can get you booted out of a guild you spent a year working to get into, and give you a nice reputation as an unreliable toon to bring with you. WoW in the abstact may be a staggering monstrosity, but each server is like a small town- risk the viability of raid groups and you will get a reputation(AFKers, router crashes, wireless wonders- we know who they are on the server, and they don't get to play with the big boys).

Unlike running Crysis benches, you MUST have a large group of people who are willing to run with you if you want to see the end game content. You want to run with each new driver release from each company you will burn yourself sooner or later.

I do know this- WoW isn't something ATi had ever used to test with every driver release.

 

[deerhunter716]

Running Vista 64 bit and my 4870. NEVER had one single issue with a set of Catalyst drivers ever. Working fantastic. Hell never had any issues with either Nvidia either. Impossible to say one is better than the other - like the one article referenced "Just different"

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Wait, you are commenting on drivers you have never even used? Lol, worse then Rollo.

You don't play MMOs, do you? I don't update my nV drivers very often either, couldn't tell you what I was running atm. I know the first driver I installed has worked flawlessly- so I don't mess with it. Getting an extra 4fps and causing several wipes can get you booted out of a guild you spent a year working to get into, and give you a nice reputation as an unreliable toon to bring with you. WoW in the abstact may be a staggering monstrosity, but each server is like a small town- risk the viability of raid groups and you will get a reputation(AFKers, router crashes, wireless wonders- we know who they are on the server, and they don't get to play with the big boys).

Unlike running Crysis benches, you MUST have a large group of people who are willing to run with you if you want to see the end game content. You want to run with each new driver release from each company you will burn yourself sooner or later.

I do know this- WoW isn't something ATi had ever used to test with every driver release.

Emm wrong but I do. And you still did not respond to my statement. You are commenting on drivers now when you have not even installed them or used them before. You blew up your 1800xt which coming from you is pretty sad. I know how much you are in love with Nvidia but it is getting sad. Maybe come back when you actually used the drivers and can comment on them.

60 hunter in WoW before I quit, 63 Ranger in AoC before I quit.

I still play AO, SB, Vanguard.

This has nothing to due with the thread, nice try.



No personal attacks includes everyone -- you are not exempt ZStream.

- AmberClad

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Slugbait

Originally posted by: apoppin

I'm sure this sounds like bashing, but really, I'm just helping to point out that ATi won't work for everyone in every configuration. I've personally had a few issues with nVidia in the past as well, but nothing bad enough to get me to try switching to ATi.

And i notice your entire experiences are "years ago"
. . you talk about Rage .. 1999 .. and NT server .. and 2nd hand

As I said, I got a new dev box early this year. I was using Windows 2003 (the most recent NT server at that time), and later only a few co-workers were using Windows 2008...they ran into the same issue. Consumer ATi cards have always been completely unsupported on NT server, and nothing has changed with 2K8.

And yeah, I talk about Rage. At one point, we all did. ATi released a $400 card that couldn't beat a $300 card, and then they declare after shipping, and all the benchmarks hit the web, that the drivers were actually beta...but assured us that "final" drivers would match their speed claims. Then they canceled driver development on Rage so they could concentrate on something in the future that they called "Radeon". There were a lot of people who were a bit upset.

2nd hand? My wife worked from home (international company and all...). My machine was literally less than 10 feet away from hers...I read the emails and dumps myself. And that friend of mine isn't the only CAD person I know...

as i said it is metaphysical .. some people have good "luck" with only one vendor and apparently stick with them to the death
- i HAD RageFury32 and i was an ATi fan .. till they were assimilated

- i never could figure what anyone saw in Nvidia graphics

now i get it .. and i have very good "luck" with both companies

 

[BenSkywalker]

You are commenting on drivers now when you have not even installed them or used them before.

Quote me champ, you are clearly of the impression that you are several notches above me, so why don't you try and quote me stating anything about any drivers in particular that I have not used. I spoke in the abstract about finding the most stable driver for the game- I said absolutely nothing all pertaining to which driver that may be. Given that these forums are archived- giving the advice to simply use the latest driver on the internet isn't going to remain valid- not for ATi, nVidia or Intel.

You blew up your 1800xt which coming from you is pretty sad.

Explain how. Feel free to get into exacting technical details. You know what? I had nV drivers wipe out an entire HD worth of data before. Was that me blowing that up too? I'd be interested in hearing how.

I know how much you are in love with Nvidia but it is getting sad.

I love no company, I am running nVidia at this particular moment because I had constant issues in WoW with ATi's drivers and then the board failed on me due to the fan not spinning up. Prior to the 1800xtx I was running a 9800Pro, before that a Ti4200, before that a R9500Pro(ATi didn't have what I would consider functioning drivers at that point which is why I went from a R9500Pro to a Ti4200).

60 hunter in WoW before I quit, 63 Ranger in AoC before I quit.

I still play AO, SB, Vanguard.

So you would run any driver posted online in a MMO and let others rely on you? You have never had issues due to this? If that is indeed the case you must be an exceptionally lucky person. And btw, my sentence about you playing MMOs- notice that punctuation at the end of it(I'll give you a hint- ? )- that would be a question mark. Because it was a question mark and not a period, that meant it was a question, not a statement. English is a tricky language, but given enough practice most people can get the hang of basic punctuation down

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: thilan29
Maybe your card is bad? Does it BSOD when you stress it?

Very possible, I get driver recovered errors in Vista. It usually happens in games. Though one of the biggest ones is Hearts of Iron 2. A game which is basically a 2d map.

its your OS thats corrupted or hardware as thilan29 has said.

I could buy the OS is corrupted if it wasnt just ATI's driver that fails.

Are you running everything at stock? I do. If you OC your ATI may be more sensitive to it than your nv card was.

Everything is at stock. I stopped OC nearly a decade ago.

If such a popular card (4850) w/ ATI Catalyst drivers indeed causes BSOD in such a popular game (WoW), the whole WoW/ATI community (guess how large the user base would be?) would be actively rioting all over the Internet.

In this case, it's so obvious that you are the only one with this problem, so this leads me to believe either you have software problem (bad windows/drivers install) or simply defective hardware (bad PSU/video card etc.

I really dont believe it is an issue with WoW. This is the first time it has happened since I reinstalled it last week. It was just the straw that finally broke the camels back for me.

test your memory. I had a "problem" when I installed my 3870 last november. I couldn't get ANYTHING to work with it, computer kept bsod'ing, etc. Naturally, I blamed my card. After a few conversations with aigomorla, however, I ran memtest and, sure enough, one of my ballistix sticks was defective.

 

[Spike]

I get texture issues in Stalker and Bioshock with my 8800GTS in my XP 32 box, I was getting some errors in Clear Sky with my 4870 in my vista 64 box (though I never did use driver cleaner to kill the nvidia drivers... to lazy). At this point I don't really care who's card is in my machine. Both seem to work more or less ok with minor issues here and there. I'm not one who spends hours tweaking out a games settings to get it to play perfect or overclocking to the absolute max so I'm probably not considered a power user. At this point my current GPU's are an old radeon 8500, 7800GT, 8800GTS 512, 9600 GSO, and a 4870 512. Love them all and all seem to work great... except for this pos 8600 GTS I just got. As long as the rebate comes in I won't feel like I wasted my money.

As for the OP I'm sorry the ATI card has caused issue. At least it's the perfect time for you since vid cards are so freaking cheap right now. Sell that 4850 (you can get a good price for it since they are still in high demand) and pick up an 8800GTS 640 ($90 after rebate the other day), 9600 GSO, or 9600GT all for under $100 to tide you over. Then sell that once the refreshes come out that use less power than the current cards. Or just hold on and give Cat 8.11 and maybe even 8.12 a try since the nVidia refresh should be out next month. If the new drivers still don't fix your issue and you can't find another hardware/software problem then you will be set to get a new, lower power card.

EDIT*
BryanW makes a good point. After installing some new games with my 4870 I had a few small issues and I blamed my new card since my 8800GTS never caused the issues. After some memtest runs found out one of 2GB sticks was bad. Took that stick out and all but that clear sky issue cleared up.

 

[SolMiester]

Originally posted by: dadach

Originally posted by: Denithor
Well, I tried to go from a 9600GT to a 4850 when I got in on the $150 Best Buy deal at launch week. But even once I got the temps under control I couldn't play WoW smoothly. Lots of jerkiness and occassional hardlocks forced me to return the 4850 and go back to the 9600GT (which played it just fine at max everything).

I have tried ATi cards off and on over the last several years (9800 Pro was great, x1900gt was good while it lasted) but the 4850 just didn't work for me. Went to an 8800GTS 512MB next and now use a GTX 260. Recently I'm buying only nVidia because their cards fold better than ATi.

you did reinstall the OS, drivers and the game from scratch when you switched to ati right?

I have to say as a IT tech.....that is WAY OTT as far as I'm concerned for changing a damn video game.....O\S rebuild?...you are seriously having a laugh...!

 

[SolMiester]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Wait, you are commenting on drivers you have never even used? Lol, worse then Rollo.

You don't play MMOs, do you? I don't update my nV drivers very often either, couldn't tell you what I was running atm. I know the first driver I installed has worked flawlessly- so I don't mess with it. Getting an extra 4fps and causing several wipes can get you booted out of a guild you spent a year working to get into, and give you a nice reputation as an unreliable toon to bring with you. WoW in the abstact may be a staggering monstrosity, but each server is like a small town- risk the viability of raid groups and you will get a reputation(AFKers, router crashes, wireless wonders- we know who they are on the server, and they don't get to play with the big boys).

Unlike running Crysis benches, you MUST have a large group of people who are willing to run with you if you want to see the end game content. You want to run with each new driver release from each company you will burn yourself sooner or later.

I do know this- WoW isn't something ATi had ever used to test with every driver release.

I agree with that, last thing I want to do when I sit down for a gaming session, is check which driver version I'm running today?...

 

[rjc]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Details are still sketchy but the latest rumors put the refresh as arriving in early December with a 50% power reduction over the existing 65 nm cores.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index....view&id=10473&Itemid=1

http://theovalich.wordpress.co...90-and-quadro-fx-5800/

I am not sure of the truth of the above rumors. The power saving i think will be less, perhaps 20%, they will try for more core clock up to 700mhz maybe. The second article is also slightly wrong, the tesla cx that came before the fx was also a 55nm chip, for some reason nobody much noticed.

Read that nvidia did a production run of the telsa version of GT206 awhile back. They are slightly different apparently targeted for more reliability, less performance. After that was finished they were supposed to start production runs on the consumer cards.

According to charlie the latest consumer card spin didn't meet target for some reason and will need to be redone pushing cards out to february. Other people seem to be thinking it went alright and the consumer chips will be released prior to christmas. People are weighing to much on the words of the recent conference call, there were stories towards the end of october to make numbers nvidia was forcing suppliers into taking orders of larger orders than they wanted of GTX280s which they will have sell first.

No engineering samples or working GT206 cards appear to have sighted anywhere yet suggesting it is either a limited or slipstream release or that the final product wont come to at least mid december. The GX2 if it exists will likely take a month longer to come out.

In a brighter note, it seems pretty a definite product for nvidia before christmas is the 3d stereo glasses.