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Got a good one for you guys. I drive an International truck with a 24 ft refigerated box that goes out in the morning full, like 18 tons full. The day before I drove the truck, one of our mechanics repacked the bearings on the front wheels after doing a front brake job. Apparently, Methhead Mike forgot to put grease in the passenger side bearing. Guess what? About 20 miles from my warehouse, at 3am, I feel a crazy jouncing sensation. I hit the brakes just as the entire wheel assembly, brakes and all, got cut off the axle when the bearing finally seized. Truck left about a 200 ft gash in the roadway. Luckily I hit the brakes as hard as I could and the truck ground to a stop on the edge of a 10 ft ditch. Cops were amazed I didnt flip the truck and get killed. Pretty interesting to see the drivers side rear wheels about 3 feet off the ground while the passenger front axle was ground into the pavement, like 4 inches.
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SparkyJJO
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FYI - it looks almost like there is a notch behind that hub that you can get to the back of the studs from (right side), but I could be wrong. If there is, line up the hub so one of the studs is lined up with the notch, smack the end of the stud with a 2-3 lb hammer a couple times, and it should pop out. Rotate the hub to the next and repeat. Don't bash it too hard as you don't want to damage anything like bearings or the hub, just knock the stud loose.
DO NOT REUSE THAT LAST REMAINING STUD. Replace all 4 of them.
I've used a ratchet and a lug nut to draw studs into a hub before. Little chance of overtightening and damaging either the lug nut or the stud doing it by hand.
DO NOT REUSE THAT LAST REMAINING STUD. Replace all 4 of them.
I've used a ratchet and a lug nut to draw studs into a hub before. Little chance of overtightening and damaging either the lug nut or the stud doing it by hand.
Not to berate the point too much, but there's really not much of an excuse to make a careless error other than being careless (i.e. not caring at all if you're doing it right). There are a zillion how-to videos and walk-throughs on basically every fix you'd ever want to do available for free on the internet. Repair manuals can also be found for free or cheap. Heck, some libraries even have Haynes manuals that can be checked out. The only reason one wouldn't have these resources on-hand when working on a car is laziness and carelessness.
You're posting on an internet forum, clearly you have some internet access. You really have no excuse about not knowing how to replace a wheel stud. You also have no real excuse about not knowing how to replace the front strut. Literally 3 minutes and 30 seconds of video that would have showed you exactly what you needed to do, saved you a bunch of time and aggravation, and prevented you from driving around in a VERY unsafe condition. Both videos are literally the first results that show up if you had bothered to google what you were working on. If you had spent 4 minutes up front with google and YouTube you would have saved yourself a bunch of time, made your life suck a whole lot less, and kept you from endangering other people.
I am not insulting nor attacking you, I am simply pointing out how little effort it takes to avoid "careless mistakes" and to ultimately make your own life easier and other people safer.
SpatiallyAware
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Wow... Wow.. Now that is terrible. Glad no one was hurt, you need to go smack methhead mike!
SpatiallyAware
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If not visibly bent it has certainly suffered a tremendous amount of fatigue damage and likely has micro-cracks.
Raduque
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I understand that you are not insulting or attacking me, and I appreciate that. You have been nothing but helpful, unlike another individual in this thread.
As a DIY-er, I admit to making mistakes. Could I have read and researched more before starting the project? Sure, I suppose so. Nobody knows everything about cars.
Perhaps I used the wrong word with "careless." I am not careless, in fact I take every precaution I can. But being overly cautious can also have its drawbacks. If you allow a job to intimidate you, it won't get done. Risks must sometimes be taken. Boldness should be balanced with care. Sometimes, I have to use a particular tool because it's all I have available.
I hear you. I've repaired many car problems over the years, so I'm no spring chicken.
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Risks to your own person/equipment/car/wallet are one thing. Knowingly endangering other people involuntarily is entirely different.
When I double-check my work on my car I sit there and think: if a family of four is in the oncoming lane, and what I just worked on isn't right and fails, what happens? Then I go back and triple check everything.
If you ever think "I could have benefited from researching this task more before starting it" you are taking/already took an unnecessary risk. End of story.
You are indeed careless. You drove with 3 of 4 lug studs for 1,000 miles. That is quintessential carelessness. The fact that you think you "take every precaution [you] can" is scary because you are flat wrong.
Being conservative does NOT mean being paralyzed by fear. It means honestly evaluating your skills and knowledge and double-checking when you need to. You apparently have absolutely no technical knowledge or prior experience to properly evaluate if 3 lug nuts would be sufficient. Yet you lied to yourself, you convinced yourself that you were qualified to make that judgement, and you are not. That is what is most upsetting.
When I double-check my work on my car I sit there and think: if a family of four is in the oncoming lane, and what I just worked on isn't right and fails, what happens? Then I go back and triple check everything.
If you ever think "I could have benefited from researching this task more before starting it" you are taking/already took an unnecessary risk. End of story.
You are indeed careless. You drove with 3 of 4 lug studs for 1,000 miles. That is quintessential carelessness. The fact that you think you "take every precaution [you] can" is scary because you are flat wrong.
Being conservative does NOT mean being paralyzed by fear. It means honestly evaluating your skills and knowledge and double-checking when you need to. You apparently have absolutely no technical knowledge or prior experience to properly evaluate if 3 lug nuts would be sufficient. Yet you lied to yourself, you convinced yourself that you were qualified to make that judgement, and you are not. That is what is most upsetting.
Perhaps so. When you explain it that way, it does make sense. I apologize.
I would just like to note, however, that in regards to driving with only 3/4 wheel lugs, I didn't intentionally endanger anyone - I thought that 3 would provide enough strength to hold the wheel on.
When the 2nd lug nut broke off, I pulled over, inspected it, attempted to drive very slowly for about 100 ft, then I called AAA. So no, I did not drive on only 2 wheel studs. Just thought I should re-clarify that.
And once again, I do appreciate your advice.
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Zorba
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For future reference, bolted joints are very sensitive and complex. I am sure each lug has a nice factor of safety in regards to shear and tension strength, even in relation to slightly loose nuts. But as soon as you omit a fastener you completely change the loadings and dynamics of the joint.
As an example, on a jet engine I worked on back in the day. The low pressure turbine case was held onto the core of engine with 78 bolts. 4 of the bolts were enough to hold the the turbine in place statically, but if you tried to run the engine like that those bolts would've failed within minutes.
Never count on something having a factor of safety. Although everything design by an engineer will have some calculated factor of safety, that is to cover variations in material and manufacturing and to cover bad assumptions, approximations and calculations. Engineers don't add in a factor of safety to account for careless maintenance. Beyond that, you have no idea what the factor of safety is and what assumptions were put into it.
As an example, on a jet engine I worked on back in the day. The low pressure turbine case was held onto the core of engine with 78 bolts. 4 of the bolts were enough to hold the the turbine in place statically, but if you tried to run the engine like that those bolts would've failed within minutes.
Never count on something having a factor of safety. Although everything design by an engineer will have some calculated factor of safety, that is to cover variations in material and manufacturing and to cover bad assumptions, approximations and calculations. Engineers don't add in a factor of safety to account for careless maintenance. Beyond that, you have no idea what the factor of safety is and what assumptions were put into it.
FelixDeCat
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You know, Im afraid Im going to have to agree. Although not with the same rhetoric. I would have said:
Take chances with your own life, not others. Be more careful next time. Think of your loved ones.
FelixDeCat
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Also when I was 15 years old I was driving my dads 1982 Citation. The front wheel drive car locked up all of a sudden while I was in a neighborhood of $1,000,000 homes. Then I heard a loud snap and bang and started doing 360s down a hill.
Some idiot was at the bottom of the hill watching me come towards his car (it seemed to go on forever) and at the last second moved out of the way, making the scary experience of a 15 year old even worse because I was worried about hitting his car. The moron drove off and offered no assistance. Creep!
I started walking down the road and knocking on these rich peoples houses asking to borrow a phone. There were no cell phones in Fort Worth, Texas in 1985. Finally I was able to call 911 and ask for some help. The owner of the house started walking back with me and by then the Westworth Village Police Department was already on the scene. Their police cars were Volvos.
Quite an experience, I must say.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=west...tworth+Village,+Tarrant,+Texas&gl=us&t=h&z=20
Some idiot was at the bottom of the hill watching me come towards his car (it seemed to go on forever) and at the last second moved out of the way, making the scary experience of a 15 year old even worse because I was worried about hitting his car. The moron drove off and offered no assistance. Creep!
I started walking down the road and knocking on these rich peoples houses asking to borrow a phone. There were no cell phones in Fort Worth, Texas in 1985. Finally I was able to call 911 and ask for some help. The owner of the house started walking back with me and by then the Westworth Village Police Department was already on the scene. Their police cars were Volvos.
Quite an experience, I must say.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=west...tworth+Village,+Tarrant,+Texas&gl=us&t=h&z=20
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