<< You guys are right; I am wrong...I'll so home and throw them away and get your great speakers, since all these internet review sites you troll around say mine are junk...thanks, guys!
Wow, you sure convinced me....you guys are great!
>>Right. Magazines = need advertising for support = biased towards the manufacturer with the biggest marketing budget. That is Bose. Therefore, they're not gonna bite the hands that feed them. Besides, Consumer Reports got sued by Bose for slandering them - another scare tactic. Most Internet sites however have no need to have advertising support by Bose. That is why places like ecoustics and epinions constantly reiterate that Bose sucks.
And I haven't seen you present a single valid arguement. BTW, your rating is down to 1.56, from 1.60. Congratulations.
Go play with your 1000W. 200 wpc is more than enough for ANYTHING and in most cases 150WPC will get you to reference volume.
<< As for the guy who was talking about education, want to compare resumes after we throw some juice to those great speakers you have? >>
Sure why not. Let's do it at reference level. I guarantee mine will sound better.
TALK ABOUT SOMETHING OTHER THAN WATTAGE.
DUMBASS.
There's more to sound than wattage. Tone quality, response range, tightness of bass. None of which Bose designs have.
And no one invited you into this thread, BTW.
<< And I haven't seen you present a single valid arguement. BTW, your rating is down to 1.56, from 1.60. Congratulations. >>
LMAO!!!
>And I haven't seen you present a single valid arguement. BTW, your rating is down to 1.56, from 1.60. Congratulations.<
You make me laugh...oh no, not my rating!!!!! what a clown...And, again, I simple said that I like my speakers...nothing more, nothing less....please take my rating down to 1.00, would you? You need to get out of the house more until you realize that AT ratings, junior, senior, and other member rankings are immaterial...you feel smarter than I am because you posted over a thousand lines of crap like in here? You feel more popular because you have an AT rating of xxx? Son, listen...there is more to life than your gay little ratings....and your gay little platinum membership...
You make me laugh...oh no, not my rating!!!!!
what a clown...And, again, I simple said that I like my speakers...nothing more, nothing less....please take my rating down to 1.00, would you? You need to get out of the house more until you realize that AT ratings, junior, senior, and other member rankings are immaterial...you feel smarter than I am because you posted over a thousand lines of crap like in here? You feel more popular because you have an AT rating of xxx? Son, listen...there is more to life than your gay little ratings....and your gay little platinum membership...you can have all the experience and education on your resume, but it doesn't mean that you're not an idiot.
make a valid argument and maybe we'll treat you with respect.
make a valid argument and maybe we'll treat you with respect.
LOL,
this helpless guy is saying how great his bose are and the dumb a$$ has it hooked up to a carver amp.
AHHAHAHAHAAHHaahAhHAHA, carver amp. khhahahahhahahaa. wait...hahahahahahahahaahaha.
although some of the older bose speakers sounded pretty good - circa 1983 nowadays i can't stand to listen to them.
Sir, your carver amp produces most of the power thru higher voltage, not all that much current in your output. current moves speakers (pretty needles on the face if I remember correctly?), voltage gives a high power rating and nothing else. look at the size of your power supplies on your amp and honestly tell me you are pushing 1000 watts?
this helpless guy is saying how great his bose are and the dumb a$$ has it hooked up to a carver amp.
AHHAHAHAHAAHHaahAhHAHA, carver amp. khhahahahhahahaa. wait...hahahahahahahahaahaha.
although some of the older bose speakers sounded pretty good - circa 1983 nowadays i can't stand to listen to them.
Sir, your carver amp produces most of the power thru higher voltage, not all that much current in your output. current moves speakers (pretty needles on the face if I remember correctly?), voltage gives a high power rating and nothing else. look at the size of your power supplies on your amp and honestly tell me you are pushing 1000 watts?
>make a valid argument and maybe we'll treat you with respect. <
Why argue? I like my speakers, you don't. Again, don't buy them...just troll around the net and convince people they suck...get a life, kid.
[argument] I own a set of 901's...I like my set of 901's. [/argument]
Why argue? I like my speakers, you don't. Again, don't buy them...just troll around the net and convince people they suck...get a life, kid.
[argument] I own a set of 901's...I like my set of 901's. [/argument]
<< >And I haven't seen you present a single valid arguement. BTW, your rating is down to 1.56, from 1.60. Congratulations.<
You make me laugh...oh no, not my rating!!!!!
what a clown...And, again, I simple said that I like my speakers...nothing more, nothing less....please take my rating down to 1.00, would you? You need to get out of the house more until you realize that AT ratings, junior, senior, and other member rankings are immaterial...you feel smarter than I am because you posted over a thousand lines of crap like in here? You feel more popular because you have an AT rating of xxx? Son, listen...there is more to life than your gay little ratings....and your gay little platinum membership... >>And by the same token there is more to speakers than their PMPO rating. There is cost, quality, dynamic range, response curve, and tightness and musicality.
You however have not addressed any of those points at all. Maybe you are the 16 year old that rides around with 4 12s in the back of his car, just to be heard a block away?
By your logic ("my speakers can handle xxxx watts, they're better on that fact alone"
you are that teenager where volume is more important than anything.<< Yea, okay...I didn't buy them to impress a bunch of 16 year-olds who like DA BOOM...I bought them to listen to my tunes being pumped out of my Carver @ 1000W...makes your ears fell like they are bleeding, sir. >>
Maybe they're bleeding because of the terrible pseudo-spacious sound?
I'll take my NHT's with the Bryston amp anyday thank you.
I'll admit, Bose systems, by themselves, sound great!
This is because Bose engineers their speakers to emphasize some of the frequencies most discernable by humans.
Then, you compare the Bose speakers to another brand. A brand who presents an acurate representation of the true sound and the Bose don't sound nearly as good. Whoops, the comparison speakers cost 1/2 of what the Boses do!
This is because Bose engineers their speakers to emphasize some of the frequencies most discernable by humans.
Then, you compare the Bose speakers to another brand. A brand who presents an acurate representation of the true sound and the Bose don't sound nearly as good. Whoops, the comparison speakers cost 1/2 of what the Boses do!
<< Okay, so we understand that people feel very strongly on the issue of Bose speakers. May be you like 'em, maybe you hate 'em. That's your opinion.
I started seriously pursuing audio equipment more almost 30 years ago. I've heard more kinds of speakers than you can imagine. I'm not some casual listener, or someone who equates BOOMING, wall-cracking bass reproduction with the overall sound quality of high-end speakers. I've auditioned many, many different speakers and STILL find the 901's to offer the cleanest, most life-like & accurate reproduction for my money. That's they way I like to hear my music. I don't go on the rampage on the B&W or Paradigm or other boards disparaging their products because I don't like them as much as my 901's. I don't insult other audiophiles because I feel the 901's are suited to my listening preferences and not to them.
What I don't understand is how people can get on this message board, ranting & raving about sound quality, when IT'S JUST THEIR OPINION. THEY MAKE THE CLASSIC (and might I add fallacious) MISTAKE OF SUBSTITUTING THEIR OPINION AS ACTUAL FACT. My taste in sound reproduction is not the same as yours - it's as simple as that. These naysayers want to call everyone an a** if they say they find the sound of the 901's to be clean, life-like and suited to their particular taste. I'm sorry, but you simply have different preferences - that's all. Your cannard is simply that; an attempt to present your taste in sound reproduction as the high-fidelity be-all and end-all. Obviously there's enough of us audio purists around who feel differently.
I suggest that if you're really so upset about 901's, that you ignore them (and hopefully this message board). I'm proud to own these speakers, I love their sound quality. I respect your right to listen to whatever sort of speaker you like. I would simply ask that you conduct the discussion in a thoughful and intelligent manner, that you save your insults for someone who actually cares, and that you leave your hysterical rants elsewhere. In declaring yourselves to be wise above all others, you simply reveal yourselves to be fools.
For everyone else who may be considering purchasing these speakers: please see through the noxious blather of these overly-opinionated "audiophiles." I recommend that you audition the 901's and see if they suit YOUR individual musical tastes. >>
See, it all comes down to personal preference---everything is SUBJECTIVE. If you like the way a speaker sounds, buy it. It's that simple. I generally don't like the sound of Bose speakers and have never owned any, but their 301's sound better than a lot of other(and more expensive) speakers out there, IMO.
<< how do you have your 901s set up and how much did you pay? if you got a deal we'll commend you. >>
He wouldn't answer that five posts into this thread. What makes you think he'll answer it now?
AHAHAHaaaa this is funny watching idiots try and defend bose and get bashed
keep it up guys its my amusement for today cuz im bored
keep it up guys its my amusement for today cuz im bored
<<
See, it all comes down to personal preference---everything is SUBJECTIVE. If you like the way a speaker sounds, buy it. It's that simple. I generally don't like the sound of Bose speakers and have never owned any, but their 301's sound better than a lot of other(and more expensive) speakers out there, IMO. >>
Scientifically, bose speakers are lackluster. You can run a sweep and you can measure the sound output to PROVE they don't have a flat response curve. A nice, even response is necessary for a good set of speakers.
Tone - and other aspects of music - are indeed subjective. However things like freq response are not.
I don't want to get into an argument (I'm no audiophile - hell, I have a 50w Fisher amp with a pair of radio shlack speakers - which I think sound pretty decent for what they are, and enough bass to shake the pictures in all adjacent rooms ), but who here has actually HEARD a pair of 901's - swear on your firstborns head - ?
- which I think sound pretty decent for what they are, and enough bass to shake the pictures in all adjacent rooms ), but who here has actually HEARD a pair of 901's - swear on your firstborns head - ?BOSE IS SUCK.
Did you ever look at the speaker covers? YOU CANT get them off.
Its because they don't want you to see their whack paper cones.
Now Paradigm is a speaker for ya.
Did you ever look at the speaker covers? YOU CANT get them off.
Its because they don't want you to see their whack paper cones.
Now Paradigm is a speaker for ya.
<< Go play with your 1000W. 200 wpc is more than enough for ANYTHING and in most cases 150WPC will get you to reference volume. >>
It's called power headroom.
I thought you'd know enough to realize that.
The more the better.
Although, techinically, bose speakers are definetely kinda out of it, but think about it.
For a HT, like the little 5 cube setup, you don't need warmth and musicality, becuase that's not what HT is about. HT is about power handling, dynamics and neutrality. Amazingly, bandpass subs do this quite well.
And besides, who the fr!ck are you to judge someone by what kinda sound they like?
If I like the sound of cone tweets, so be it.
I happen to have a pair of Telefunken monitors that have all cone drivers, and although they do have a bit of sibilance, they still are smooth enough to be able to listen to them for hours.
They don't handle power quite as good as I want them to, hence I'm building another pair.
<< BOSE IS SUCK.
Did you ever look at the speaker covers? YOU CANT get them off.
Its because they don't want you to see their whack paper cones.
Now Paradigm is a speaker for ya. >>
since when can't you take the speaker covers off? The only exception is the 901's----they don't want anyone to know that it's just an array of 4" drivers producing the sound
line arrays are awesome ways to get a much better dynamic range; which gives your music much less dynamic compression (god knows theres a ton already recorded into the music itself).
I've lived with a set of 901s......also a set of Missions, a set of BIC (looooong ago), a set of Klipsch, a set of large Advents (circa 1972), and lots of listening to Sneel, Thiel, some Boston Acoustics, and Apogee, among others.
The Bose were early in my audio career......and after I finally trained my ears to become adept at critically listening to speakers, the Bose died quietly.
My beefs were simple.......and power handling is not a concern. Instead, I finally began to question how good a set of speaker were that requried an equalizer to sound decent. The soundstage it presented was very artifical and listless......didn't precisely put the instruments in their places.
As an aside, Bose's claims to reproduce the "direct/reflected" sound found in concert halls.......how silly a claim. True, there is a direct/reflected sound in concert halls....in the cheap seats way back toward the rear, which is why the better seats up front are the more expensive. No reflected sound.....jsut unvarnished direct sound. Let the peasants in the cheap seats have that reflected sound....so why should I pay for speakers that recreate the cheap seat sound?
There are many good speakers out there and everyone's ears are different. If a speaker sounds good to you, so be it. But don't blast those speakers you've never experienced....and, Helpless, judging by your lack of experience with speakers out there, you're doing yourself an injustice not learning about them and what to expect when listening to them. You may just begin to discover a whole new world.
Oh, and your Carver amp....while it can pump some wattage out, is considered a utility amp by many......tubes is where it's at these days. Much warmer amps, more musical......much the same sort of comparison as a Ford Escort vs. a Ferrari.......both get the job done with one plebian and one viscerally exciting and fulfilling.
The Bose were early in my audio career......and after I finally trained my ears to become adept at critically listening to speakers, the Bose died quietly.
My beefs were simple.......and power handling is not a concern. Instead, I finally began to question how good a set of speaker were that requried an equalizer to sound decent. The soundstage it presented was very artifical and listless......didn't precisely put the instruments in their places.
As an aside, Bose's claims to reproduce the "direct/reflected" sound found in concert halls.......how silly a claim. True, there is a direct/reflected sound in concert halls....in the cheap seats way back toward the rear, which is why the better seats up front are the more expensive. No reflected sound.....jsut unvarnished direct sound. Let the peasants in the cheap seats have that reflected sound....so why should I pay for speakers that recreate the cheap seat sound?
There are many good speakers out there and everyone's ears are different. If a speaker sounds good to you, so be it. But don't blast those speakers you've never experienced....and, Helpless, judging by your lack of experience with speakers out there, you're doing yourself an injustice not learning about them and what to expect when listening to them. You may just begin to discover a whole new world.
Oh, and your Carver amp....while it can pump some wattage out, is considered a utility amp by many......tubes is where it's at these days. Much warmer amps, more musical......much the same sort of comparison as a Ford Escort vs. a Ferrari.......both get the job done with one plebian and one viscerally exciting and fulfilling.
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