Plug and play works better on the Mac, mainly because there is less hardware available on the Mac side. But when it is supported, it is supported.
Originally posted by: deathkoba
Biggest Troll Ever. OS9 was far more stable than 98 ever was. DREAM ON!!!! BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH. That's all you get with 98 and it was actually running on the archaic DOS. ME was just as bad.
Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Those with a true utter loathing of Macs likely spent a long time using them. I spent about a decade with Macs as my primary platform(was running Apple][s mainly before that for a while too) and really you can't properly appreciate how badly they sucked compared to PCs unless you were forced to use one for a while(or were ignorant enough to believe the BS). Every OS Apple had prior to OSX was extremely crash prone- certainly far worse then Win9x when pushed. An app went down your OS was going down with nigh certainty. Memory management was left up to you- having to manually assign applications an amount of RAM they were allowed to utilize. Moving over to the PC it took me a while to get used to it, but since escaping from the slums of technology(OS9 and earlier) I regularly have a dozen apps open and don't really give a thought to using more- this was not viable on earlier Mac OSs.
Their hardware is poorly made and insanely overpriced, and they lie to their customers. For a time Apple was selling Macs with a 'lifetime' warranty only to change their mind in a couple of years when they were faced with massive amounts of failing hardware and for a time refused to honor their warranty(it took a court case to get them to do what they promised they would). The original iMacs more recently suffered massive failure rates on their 'Analog boards' and frequently need to have them replaced running owners ~$200 a pop- this is for RageIIc and RagePro level graphics(a TNT1 b!tch slaps them hard for those not familiar).
The pricing of their hardware would be comical in the PC space. They do not use top tier parts as the norm, they tend to skimp on a level comparable to Wal-Mart level PCs with the only exception being what their typical consumer will see(the case, monitor, keyboard and mouse). Apple will avoid stepping up to the best available processors to protect their margins for long periods of time, so much so that users are frequently looking at paying $3.5K for a machine that was $3.5K six months prior. Mac users actually frequently tout this as an advantage because the machines hold their value longer- seems very foolish to me that they don't bother realizing that the prices on all of the components for that machine had been dropping for six months and Apple was simply kicking back raking in serious margins at their expense. Their GPU offerings also tend to be significantly sub par compared to what a like PC would land you, as is the case with their RAM and HDs.
Steve Jobs. The man is a used car salesman at best. He has had regulatory bodies force him to pull ads off the market because they went so far off the deep end(his RDF gets insane at times). He also suffers from an ego the likes of which has held Apple back for most of its existance(his abject failure to make moves both the first and second time he was in charge of the company when he had golden oppurtunities- first with the launching of the Mac and then with the tranisition to OSX his most noteable major failures). Due to his desire to stroke himself he refused to take the one part of their machines that people every really thought was worth a d@mn- the OS, and port it over to the far more popular and for some time now far more powerful x86 platform. If he could have swallowed his pride just enough to make that simple move Gates would have something remotely viable to worry about and Apple would likely be looking at an order of magitude greater marketshare then what they currently have. Also a factor for Jobs is his absolutisim in telling customers what they want, how they want it and when they want it. If a PC maker did the same they would be DOA- there is simply no chance they would survive at all. The extremely limited options you are given when buying a Mac are those approved by Jobs and only those approved by Jobs. Apple ran into problems for the brief period of time that they allowed clones- mainly as the marketshare was too small, and this is used as justification for their extremely hard lined stance against serving customers now.
Lack of available software. Macs have something available to do just about anything- PCs just have a whole lot more options on what you want to do it with. Of course the Mac faithful will tell you their options are just fine, they wouldn't be Mac faithful if they felt otherwise
Nigh no games. They can attempt to marginalize this any way they want. My PC can do everything their Mac can do and play games. I have all the consoles too(and handhelds for that matter); I don't like missing any worth while title and with a Mac over a PC you will miss almost all of the computer based games worth playing.
Jobs won't let me build my own. I don't trust Dell to build my rig, I don't trust HP/Compaq to build my rig, I don't trust IBM to build my rig- why would I trust a company that really can't compete with them? I wouldn't mind running OSX for a while and seeing how much of the hype is justified, it is hard to know as most Mac users are either delusional or liars when it comes to their platform(I know this all too well from my time using the pitiful pre OSX OSs). There is no chance I'm going to buy one of Apple's very poorly built machines, they are overpriced, underpowered, and have configurations that are sad outside of the uber expensive machines. If I could build my own it would be worth it for me as a curiosity, but not being able to build my own places it very high on the 'suck' list.
Pretty much what it all comes down to is unless you know exactly why you want to buy a Mac, you probably don't want one.
Originally posted by: htmlmasterdave
Originally posted by: deathkoba
Biggest Troll Ever. OS9 was far more stable than 98 ever was. DREAM ON!!!! BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH. That's all you get with 98 and it was actually running on the archaic DOS. ME was just as bad.
Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Those with a true utter loathing of Macs likely spent a long time using them. I spent about a decade with Macs as my primary platform(was running Apple][s mainly before that for a while too) and really you can't properly appreciate how badly they sucked compared to PCs unless you were forced to use one for a while(or were ignorant enough to believe the BS). Every OS Apple had prior to OSX was extremely crash prone- certainly far worse then Win9x when pushed. An app went down your OS was going down with nigh certainty. Memory management was left up to you- having to manually assign applications an amount of RAM they were allowed to utilize. Moving over to the PC it took me a while to get used to it, but since escaping from the slums of technology(OS9 and earlier) I regularly have a dozen apps open and don't really give a thought to using more- this was not viable on earlier Mac OSs.
Their hardware is poorly made and insanely overpriced, and they lie to their customers. For a time Apple was selling Macs with a 'lifetime' warranty only to change their mind in a couple of years when they were faced with massive amounts of failing hardware and for a time refused to honor their warranty(it took a court case to get them to do what they promised they would). The original iMacs more recently suffered massive failure rates on their 'Analog boards' and frequently need to have them replaced running owners ~$200 a pop- this is for RageIIc and RagePro level graphics(a TNT1 b!tch slaps them hard for those not familiar).
The pricing of their hardware would be comical in the PC space. They do not use top tier parts as the norm, they tend to skimp on a level comparable to Wal-Mart level PCs with the only exception being what their typical consumer will see(the case, monitor, keyboard and mouse). Apple will avoid stepping up to the best available processors to protect their margins for long periods of time, so much so that users are frequently looking at paying $3.5K for a machine that was $3.5K six months prior. Mac users actually frequently tout this as an advantage because the machines hold their value longer- seems very foolish to me that they don't bother realizing that the prices on all of the components for that machine had been dropping for six months and Apple was simply kicking back raking in serious margins at their expense. Their GPU offerings also tend to be significantly sub par compared to what a like PC would land you, as is the case with their RAM and HDs.
Steve Jobs. The man is a used car salesman at best. He has had regulatory bodies force him to pull ads off the market because they went so far off the deep end(his RDF gets insane at times). He also suffers from an ego the likes of which has held Apple back for most of its existance(his abject failure to make moves both the first and second time he was in charge of the company when he had golden oppurtunities- first with the launching of the Mac and then with the tranisition to OSX his most noteable major failures). Due to his desire to stroke himself he refused to take the one part of their machines that people every really thought was worth a d@mn- the OS, and port it over to the far more popular and for some time now far more powerful x86 platform. If he could have swallowed his pride just enough to make that simple move Gates would have something remotely viable to worry about and Apple would likely be looking at an order of magitude greater marketshare then what they currently have. Also a factor for Jobs is his absolutisim in telling customers what they want, how they want it and when they want it. If a PC maker did the same they would be DOA- there is simply no chance they would survive at all. The extremely limited options you are given when buying a Mac are those approved by Jobs and only those approved by Jobs. Apple ran into problems for the brief period of time that they allowed clones- mainly as the marketshare was too small, and this is used as justification for their extremely hard lined stance against serving customers now.
Lack of available software. Macs have something available to do just about anything- PCs just have a whole lot more options on what you want to do it with. Of course the Mac faithful will tell you their options are just fine, they wouldn't be Mac faithful if they felt otherwise
Nigh no games. They can attempt to marginalize this any way they want. My PC can do everything their Mac can do and play games. I have all the consoles too(and handhelds for that matter); I don't like missing any worth while title and with a Mac over a PC you will miss almost all of the computer based games worth playing.
Jobs won't let me build my own. I don't trust Dell to build my rig, I don't trust HP/Compaq to build my rig, I don't trust IBM to build my rig- why would I trust a company that really can't compete with them? I wouldn't mind running OSX for a while and seeing how much of the hype is justified, it is hard to know as most Mac users are either delusional or liars when it comes to their platform(I know this all too well from my time using the pitiful pre OSX OSs). There is no chance I'm going to buy one of Apple's very poorly built machines, they are overpriced, underpowered, and have configurations that are sad outside of the uber expensive machines. If I could build my own it would be worth it for me as a curiosity, but not being able to build my own places it very high on the 'suck' list.
Pretty much what it all comes down to is unless you know exactly why you want to buy a Mac, you probably don't want one.
Dude your TOTALLY WRONG, omg............
ME was 10x worse than 98
I'm going to have to go with deathkoba's assessment of the problem not knowing more about it. The problems described are not consistent with any issue I know of with the G5 series, and if Apple there's nothing wrong, they're usually more right than wrong. The problem is highly likely to be either a software application they're using, or a poorly written device driver. This doesn't mean much for the Mac itself(i.e. the machine is still a perfectly fine machine), but I think it speaks volumes about how some of the Mac dev houses(like all dev houses) can be very lazy and profit driven.
There is a simple fix for the blinking 12:00 (which is the fault of the VCR mfgrs - they should use battery for the clock or get with the cable folks to get time from the wire.)
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