What's wrong with CCTV?

[Veliko]

Your example is much better. My point is that you said people in the UK are not afraid of terrorism. Yet the London police website says Because of its high business and financial profile, the City of London is an attractive target for terrorist attacks.

The detention center at Guantanamo was a result of not having anywhere else to put the combatants from Afghanistan. If you recall, Afghanistan was home to numerous terrorist training camps and provided safe haven to osama bin laden and his cohorts who coordinated that 9/11/2001 terrorist attacks in the U.S. The camp does not exist so the U.S. government can pluck Americans off the street and send them there for interrogation. Guantanamo is run by the U.S. military. The U.S. military has no law enforcement jurisdiction other than on military bases.

Comparing the monitoring who is entering and exiting a city to Guantanamo is like comparing apples to tiddly winks. The topic is CCTV's.

The topic seems to have already moved on a bit from just CCTV.

When I said that people in the UK aren't really afraid of terrorism I meant the people in general and not what the state says.

Gitmo was setup because it was an easy way for the US authorities to plonk anyone there who they thought might be a bit dangerous but couldn't actually prove it.

 

[airdata]

Big brother. Same with red light & speeding cameras.

My wife got a camera ticket last week. Personally I think it's BS that they can take video of you doing something wrong and then send you a ticket. If I'm getting a ticket, I want a police officer pulling me over and giving it to me.

If stuff like this goes any further... how free are we, really?

 

[Veliko]

Big brother. Same with red light & speeding cameras.

My wife got a camera ticket last week. Personally I think it's BS that they can take video of you doing something wrong and then send you a ticket. If I'm getting a ticket, I want a police officer pulling me over and giving it to me.

If stuff like this goes any further... how free are we, really?

Speeding cameras are easily avoided. Don't go over the speed limit.

I have yet to hear one decent argument against them to be honest.

 

[Jeffg010]

CCTV like the ones used for traffic tickets I feel are over kill. You ever see the episode of the Andy Griffith show were Barney Fife arrested the entire town? In the end the entire town was let go because every charge Barny tried to put on each person was so petty and stupid it was laughable. CCTV is doing the same thing Barney Fife was doing. Someone could take these tapes and try and fine or convince someone for the most petty of crimes. How many times have you jay walked across the street? You know some douchebag will try and use CCTV for something like that.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

This guy points out some serious issues with CCTV.

 

[Jaskalas]

CCTV is a thing of the past when every person on the planet is armed with a video recorder that ties in directly to the internet. I'm talking about your mobile devices be it phones, tablets, or whatever.

Not sure I like, or am comfortable with the idea, but that's the way I see things going shortly. No need to fear a dark alley when everyone knows anything they do is saved on the net for police to identify.

CCTV is soooooo 20th century.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Big brother. Same with red light & speeding cameras.

My wife got a camera ticket last week. Personally I think it's BS that they can take video of you doing something wrong and then send you a ticket. If I'm getting a ticket, I want a police officer pulling me over and giving it to me.

If stuff like this goes any further... how free are we, really?

Free to do what? Go over the speed limit?

 

[HAL9000]

So, what kind of logic do you prefer and what do you prefer to base your morality on if not the Bible and Constitution?

All of western religion and politics incorporate at least Aristotelean logic.

Personally Aristotelean logic is not my cup of tea, purely because it's primarily based on perception, I'm all about Plato / Socrates. Religion (while it make have traces of Aristotle) requires a preface of delusion, and so has to be ignored when making logical decisions.

 

[umbrella39]

There's nothing in Bible or the US constitution about privacy so I don't see what the problem is. We should have cameras everywhere including your bedroom just to be sure there isn't a terrorist or a commie under the bed!

I don't see how they would fit under there considering many of the fear mongered cowards that post here have been camped under their since the Iraq invasion.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Obviously because politicians would be caught with their girlfriends and their wives would get angry.



I do not have a problem with CCTV in public areas, especially parking lots.

 

[Herr Kutz]

There is no point in trying to argue with neckbeard. In Europe they are brainwashed from birth to accept and defend the absolute control of the State and intrusion into the lives of its citizens is encouraged. Over there, freedoms are seen as the mark of an "uncivilized" society.

 

[HAL9000]

There is no point in trying to argue with neckbeard. In Europe they are brainwashed from birth to accept and defend the absolute control of the State and intrusion into the lives of its citizens is encouraged. Over there, freedoms are seen as the mark of an "uncivilized" society.

Lol and you think there's no point arguing with ME. I'm not the problem out of the two of us, you are deluded.

 

[RabidMongoose]

There is no point in trying to argue with neckbeard. In Europe they are brainwashed from birth to accept and defend the absolute control of the State and intrusion into the lives of its citizens is encouraged. Over there, freedoms are seen as the mark of an "uncivilized" society.

True. It's been like that for centuries. We're dealing with people who accept superior bloodlines and worship another human being similar to ancient humans worshiping the sun. How can you reason with these people when they obviously suffer from a severe mental disorder?

The British will never admit that CCTV is wrong unless their Queen Whore tells them that it is wrong. They are sheep, incapable of independent thought.

 

[Herr Kutz]

True. It's been like that for centuries. We're dealing with people who accept superior bloodlines and worship another human being similar to ancient humans worshiping the sun. How can you reason with these people when they obviously suffer from a severe mental disorder?

The British will never admit that CCTV is wrong unless their Queen Whore tells them that it is wrong. They are sheep, incapable of independent thought.

Yes, most of Europe still have a medieval mindset unfortunately. They still long for their King/Queen/Czar/Kaiser/etc. to guide them, tell them what to do, how to behave.

Just look at how vehemently neckbeard defends the CCTV as if you must be up to know good if you criticize (that's right, no 's', like it's supposed to be) the all watchful eye of the Government. The State has pounded this into his brain as a little child, and it is quite sad really.

 

[HAL9000]

Yes, most of Europe still have a medieval mindset unfortunately. They still long for their King/Queen/Czar/Kaiser/etc. to guide them, tell them what to do, how to behave.

Just look at how vehemently neckbeard defends the CCTV as if you must be up to know good if you criticize (that's right, no 's', like it's supposed to be) the all watchful eye of the Government. The State has pounded this into his brain as a little child, and it is quite sad really.

No, what has been pounded into my head since childhood is logic, while I accept that you americans lack it, at least try.

How the fuck does the Queen guide us?!

 

[Herr Kutz]

No, what has been pounded into my head since childhood is logic, while I accept that you americans lack it, at least try.

How the fuck does the Queen guide us?!

Read again. You didn't understand. Perhaps the logic was not pounded in well enough.

 

[HAL9000]

Read again. You didn't understand. Perhaps the logic was not pounded in well enough.

Cool

 

[DominionSeraph]

Laws aren't written precisely enough to have the freedom under CCTV that you have without.
An officer on the street will overlook a lot of things that aren't nuisances. When they are, then he uses the law. But you get some bored peon in a booth looking at video screens all day and he's likely to jump on every single technical violation he sees or imagines. With a cop being specifically dispatched to deal with a "crime" and on video himself, it's very unlikely he'll use his own judgment as to the situation at hand.
Instead of an easygoing society you end up with one with rigid adherence to technicalities. And those technicalities will most assuredly multiply once every little Hitler sees that such power is available.

 

[HAL9000]

Laws aren't written precisely enough to have the freedom under CCTV that you have without.
An officer on the street will overlook a lot of things that aren't nuisances. When they are, then he uses the law. But you get some bored peon in a booth looking at video screens all day and he's likely to jump on every single technical violation he sees or imagines. With a cop being specifically dispatched to deal with a "crime" and on video himself, it's very unlikely he'll use his own judgment as to the situation at hand.
Instead of an easygoing society you end up with one with rigid adherence to technicalities. And those technicalities will most assuredly multiply once every little Hitler sees that such power is available.

The people watching CCTV will often be police officers or police officials, so it's the same mindset.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Yes, most of Europe still have a medieval mindset unfortunately. They still long for their King/Queen/Czar/Kaiser/etc. to guide them, tell them what to do, how to behave.

Just look at how vehemently neckbeard defends the CCTV as if you must be up to know good if you criticize (that's right, no 's', like it's supposed to be) the all watchful eye of the Government. The State has pounded this into his brain as a little child, and it is quite sad really.

You should see neckbeard defend his beloved and worshiped Queen Hag. British people need and desire constant supervision, from a decrepit old lady who demands their worship to millions of cameras recording their every action.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Laws aren't written precisely enough to have the freedom under CCTV that you have without.
An officer on the street will overlook a lot of things that aren't nuisances. When they are, then he uses the law. But you get some bored peon in a booth looking at video screens all day and he's likely to jump on every single technical violation he sees or imagines. With a cop being specifically dispatched to deal with a "crime" and on video himself, it's very unlikely he'll use his own judgment as to the situation at hand.
Instead of an easygoing society you end up with one with rigid adherence to technicalities. And those technicalities will most assuredly multiply once every little Hitler sees that such power is available.

Excellent point, but I think we need to go a bit further. With Europe's vast history of enacting genocide, this is a serious concern for the rest of the world.

Here we have a society that is responsible for the most bloodthirsty organization (British Empire) to have ever existed in the known universe. This same society willingly subjects itself to an inbred old hag in their 'Queen'. Now this society may very well allow this old hag, her toothless inbred son, or anyone else to manipulate the entire society into committing yet another European genocide.

This is very worrisome.

 

[HAL9000]

RabidMongoose, I have no interest in reading your drivel, it is rife with irrelevant insults so anything that is addressed to me stop posting as I'm not reading them.

 

[RabidMongoose]

RabidMongoose, I have no interest in reading your drivel, it is rife with irrelevant insults so anything that is addressed to me stop posting as I'm not reading them.

Neckbeard, I'm not asking you to read my posts. I don't care if you get your Queen Monarch Hag to ask me, I'll just ignore the old wench. Moreover, I wasn't even addressing you, but expressing a general concern.

God Save the Queen, am I right old chap, yip yip, cheerio!

 

[HAL9000]

Yep.

 

[Jaepheth]

My theory is that we (America) are a nation of petty criminals who want to individually decide when the laws should and should not apply to ourselves. We want the police to stop murders/grand theft/ponzi schemes/other egregious violations, but don't really want them ticketing us for speeding when we're in a hurry. We have the small laws on the books so that it's not too widespread, but fully expect the police to provide leeway with those laws (not punishing people for going 5 - 10 MPH over the limit, Jay-walking, office gambling pools, etc) Cameras and automated devices do not provide leeway.

This also feeds into the "us vs them" mentality that exists between US citizens and US police forces as well as the distrust of authority in general that exists in the US. Which is why even if an error margin/leeway is programmed into the camera system, we still don't want them looking over our shoulders.