What's with the right's crusade against intellectualism?

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: spidey07
Where do you get this generalization?

I don't think I've ever heard any conservative say they were against being intelligent.

I don't know many Republicans that aren't for "Intelligent Design" over Evolution.

That makes most Republicans against "intelligence", sorry.

Einstein was an intellectual.

His theory of general relativity paired with Genesis makes perfect sense and actually co-insides with the better part of the study of anthropology.

If you look into Christian Science it pretty much puts large chunks of "mainstream" science on its head. Things like the fact that bones continue to grow in people's bodies until they die. Apparently research has been done which shows that the neanderthal fossils they have found actually came from very old humans (again, see Genesis, and now Exodus).

IMO a belief in God requires a certain level of intellectualism and humility, with all due respect.

Theory < Fact < Law

The two laws of thermodynamics:

1. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

2. Everything is going from maximum enthalpy to maximum entropy.

That in and of itself puts evolution on its head.

BTW you need a chicken to lay an egg. :beer:

 

[Elias824]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

As just one tiny example: the President's Faith Based Initiatives. Here's an entire governmental department devoted to taking our money and handing it over to churches so they can supposedly do good things in their communities with those funds. As if we can't or won't donate funds ourselves to the organizations that we feel do the most good in our community - no, instead President Bush is going to do it FOR US and TELL US which orgs to give that money to.

It's the ultimate hypocrisy.

If im not mistaken obama supports faith based donations as well.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...sed-plan_b_110412.html

In general though im sick of hearing one side say how smart they are, and if you support anything else your must be an idiot. Reps and Dems are both guilty of this. Both parties seem to think they have the One true and correct opinion on everything, but its just arrogance.
Ive got right, left and in between friends who ive disused politics with but really its just a matter that people have different opinions.

 

[MadRat]

We're turning into France where the state has to support the bastions of official religions because the people have largely stopped paying for them.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It's painfully obvious, really: Conservatives are dedicated to maintaining the status quo. They're not as open to new ideas, new ways of doing things, or new ways of thinking about problems. They cling to the past like it's the best thing since sliced bread. What a great way to promote self-obsolescence!

Seriously, aren't you the one bringing up stereotypes in every post? :roll:

Some intellectual you are...

It is pretty funny/sad isn't it? And he's likely too stupid to see that he's the one propagating stereotypes as he accuses of others of doing it.

That is exactly what I hate about many Democrats. They are exactly what they rail against.

Irony. Delicious irony.

The very definition of being a political conservative is to cling to tradition and maintain the status quo. So apparently in your minds, pointing this out is "stereotyping?" Give me a break.

Yeah... let's put a body of thought that's hundreds of years old and has dozens of past and present variations into a concise, one sentence definition. Combine that generalization with prejudice and what do you have?? No answer necessary :roll:

I suppose this is correct: It's painfully obvious, really- Liberals are dedicated to change for the sake of change. They're not as open to stability, proven ways of doing things, and generally encourage irresponsible experimentation. They reject the past like it's the plague. What a great way to promote nihilism!

 

[Jschmuck2]

This clip from the Colbert Report last night made me think of this thread:

http://www.colbertnation.com/t...he-week---bill-bennett

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It's painfully obvious, really: Conservatives are dedicated to maintaining the status quo. They're not as open to new ideas, new ways of doing things, or new ways of thinking about problems. They cling to the past like it's the best thing since sliced bread. What a great way to promote self-obsolescence!

Seriously, aren't you the one bringing up stereotypes in every post? :roll:

Some intellectual you are...

It is pretty funny/sad isn't it? And he's likely too stupid to see that he's the one propagating stereotypes as he accuses of others of doing it.

That is exactly what I hate about many Democrats. They are exactly what they rail against.

Irony. Delicious irony.

The very definition of being a political conservative is to cling to tradition and maintain the status quo. So apparently in your minds, pointing this out is "stereotyping?" Give me a break.

Yeah... let's put a body of thought that's hundreds of years old and has dozens of past and present variations into a concise, one sentence definition. Combine that generalization with prejudice and what do you have?? No answer necessary :roll:

I suppose this is correct: It's painfully obvious, really- Liberals are dedicated to change for the sake of change. They're not as open to stability, proven ways of doing things, and generally encourage irresponsible experimentation. They reject the past like it's the plague. What a great way to promote nihilism!

I believe we were talking about why the typical right winger rejects intellectualism. Is it possible for you to stay on topic? Or is that yet another obnoxious conservative trait? To duhvert from any implied weakness? Sure seems like it, but man oh man, it sure gets old.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: Elias824
In general though im sick of hearing one side say how smart they are, and if you support anything else your must be an idiot.

But...but...but...Dems are much smarter than Reps (there's a thread somewhere around here that says so)...if you don't believe that...then you're an idiot. <--- sarcasm

I guess it's hard to be humble when you're always right and others aren't intelligent enough to recognize that "fact" and kowtow to your vastly superior intellect. While you say both sides are guilty of this (which I agree), I would say that this arrogant 'elitist' attitude is very well represented by the Left here at ATPN. By my rough estimation...about 10% to 20% of the posters here have a clue...while most of the rest are babbling sock puppets who are consumed by partisan ideologies...unable or unwilling to look at both sides of an issue and think for themselves. It appears that their sense of self worth is directly tied to a glorified perception of their chosen partisan ideology. And then they go on to demonize anyone who doesn't conform to their chosen partisan ideology without a shred of tolerance for others with perspectives worthy of consideration by an intelligent human being.

I could go on and on...but I won't boor you all with my ramblings...Elias824's comment above just struck a chord with me and I felt compelled to throw in my two cents. Don't spend it all in one place.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Elias824

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

As just one tiny example: the President's Faith Based Initiatives. Here's an entire governmental department devoted to taking our money and handing it over to churches so they can supposedly do good things in their communities with those funds. As if we can't or won't donate funds ourselves to the organizations that we feel do the most good in our community - no, instead President Bush is going to do it FOR US and TELL US which orgs to give that money to.

It's the ultimate hypocrisy.

If im not mistaken obama supports faith based donations as well.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...sed-plan_b_110412.html

In general though im sick of hearing one side say how smart they are, and if you support anything else your must be an idiot. Reps and Dems are both guilty of this. Both parties seem to think they have the One true and correct opinion on everything, but its just arrogance.
Ive got right, left and in between friends who ive disused politics with but really its just a matter that people have different opinions.

And then there's this:

So would you keep the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives open or restructure it?

You know, what I'd like to do is I'd like to see how it's been operating. One of the things that I think churches have to be mindful of is that if the federal government starts paying the piper, then they get to call the tune. It can, over the long term, be an encroachment on religious freedom. So, I want to see how moneys have been allocated through that office before I make a firm commitment in terms of sustaining practices that may not have worked as well as they should have.

Link

So, no I don't think Obama supports the faith-based initiatives office automatically. If it's anything like the rest of Bush's agencies and offices, it's hopelessly partisan and F'd up.

 

[theeedude]

Same reason the Bolsheviks crusaded against the intelligentsia.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Elias824
In general though im sick of hearing one side say how smart they are, and if you support anything else your must be an idiot.

But...but...but...Dems are much smarter than Reps (there's a thread somewhere around here that says so)...if you don't believe that...then you're an idiot. <--- sarcasm

I guess it's hard to be humble when you're always right and others aren't intelligent enough to recognize that "fact" and kowtow to your vastly superior intellect. While you say both sides are guilty of this (which I agree), I would say that this arrogant 'elitist' attitude is very well represented by the Left here at ATPN. By my rough estimation...about 10% to 20% of the posters here have a clue...while most of the rest are babbling sock puppets who are consumed by partisan ideologies...unable or unwilling to look at both sides of an issue and think for themselves. It appears that their sense of self worth is directly tied to a glorified perception of their chosen partisan ideology. And then they go on to demonize anyone who doesn't conform to their chosen partisan ideology without a shred of tolerance for others with perspectives worthy of consideration by an intelligent human being.

I could go on and on...but I won't boor you all with my ramblings...Elias824's comment above just struck a chord with me and I felt compelled to throw in my two cents. Don't spend it all in one place.

Oh look, another bloviating conservative poster who can't stay on topic and only manages to duhvert the topic of this thread with some ridiculous rant about liberals. Rush? Is that you?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Elias824
In general though im sick of hearing one side say how smart they are, and if you support anything else your must be an idiot.

But...but...but...Dems are much smarter than Reps (there's a thread somewhere around here that says so)...if you don't believe that...then you're an idiot. <--- sarcasm

I guess it's hard to be humble when you're always right and others aren't intelligent enough to recognize that "fact" and kowtow to your vastly superior intellect. While you say both sides are guilty of this (which I agree), I would say that this arrogant 'elitist' attitude is very well represented by the Left here at ATPN. By my rough estimation...about 10% to 20% of the posters here have a clue...while most of the rest are babbling sock puppets who are consumed by partisan ideologies...unable or unwilling to look at both sides of an issue and think for themselves. It appears that their sense of self worth is directly tied to a glorified perception of their chosen partisan ideology. And then they go on to demonize anyone who doesn't conform to their chosen partisan ideology without a shred of tolerance for others with perspectives worthy of consideration by an intelligent human being.

I could go on and on...but I won't boor you all with my ramblings...Elias824's comment above just struck a chord with me and I felt compelled to throw in my two cents. Don't spend it all in one place.

Oh look, another bloviating conservative poster who can't stay on topic and only manages to duhvert the topic of this thread with some ridiculous rant about liberals. Rush? Is that you?

Case in point.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
I'm still trying to figure this one out - remind me what's wrong with being intelligent again?

After Cerpin Taxt was trying to convince me, in defense of abortion, that having sex doesn't cause pregnancy, I have a hard time believing that it's the right that is unintelligent.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Elias824
In general though im sick of hearing one side say how smart they are, and if you support anything else your must be an idiot.

But...but...but...Dems are much smarter than Reps (there's a thread somewhere around here that says so)...if you don't believe that...then you're an idiot. <--- sarcasm

I guess it's hard to be humble when you're always right and others aren't intelligent enough to recognize that "fact" and kowtow to your vastly superior intellect. While you say both sides are guilty of this (which I agree), I would say that this arrogant 'elitist' attitude is very well represented by the Left here at ATPN. By my rough estimation...about 10% to 20% of the posters here have a clue...while most of the rest are babbling sock puppets who are consumed by partisan ideologies...unable or unwilling to look at both sides of an issue and think for themselves. It appears that their sense of self worth is directly tied to a glorified perception of their chosen partisan ideology. And then they go on to demonize anyone who doesn't conform to their chosen partisan ideology without a shred of tolerance for others with perspectives worthy of consideration by an intelligent human being.

I could go on and on...but I won't boor you all with my ramblings...Elias824's comment above just struck a chord with me and I felt compelled to throw in my two cents. Don't spend it all in one place.

Man on man it's a joy to see that my 'deep intelligence' and 'intellectual erudition' shining through in some of your posts. I have only been saying the bolded now since my 'day one' here. I even did a whole thread just the other day showing that those who voted twice for Bush and now want McSame are bots that lack the capacity to think. People got mad about being called idiots while supplying all the data to prove it.

The false identification with externals, any and all manner of them, is a substitute for the real self love we lost as children. We hate ourselves and are quite insane as a result, all of us without exception and this fact is almost totally unknown because it's the last thing anybody wants to hear.

People cannot see or hear the truth because the truth looks and sounds like an attack on their ego and everything that they love. The real and deeper truth is that you are all far far far more and far far far more valuable than any of the things you worship. The good that you feel in what you worship, love, and support comes not from them and all your absurd beliefs about them, but from your own core and true identity.

 

[Pacemaker]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Elias824
In general though im sick of hearing one side say how smart they are, and if you support anything else your must be an idiot.

But...but...but...Dems are much smarter than Reps (there's a thread somewhere around here that says so)...if you don't believe that...then you're an idiot. <--- sarcasm

I guess it's hard to be humble when you're always right and others aren't intelligent enough to recognize that "fact" and kowtow to your vastly superior intellect. While you say both sides are guilty of this (which I agree), I would say that this arrogant 'elitist' attitude is very well represented by the Left here at ATPN. By my rough estimation...about 10% to 20% of the posters here have a clue...while most of the rest are babbling sock puppets who are consumed by partisan ideologies...unable or unwilling to look at both sides of an issue and think for themselves. It appears that their sense of self worth is directly tied to a glorified perception of their chosen partisan ideology. And then they go on to demonize anyone who doesn't conform to their chosen partisan ideology without a shred of tolerance for others with perspectives worthy of consideration by an intelligent human being.

I could go on and on...but I won't boor you all with my ramblings...Elias824's comment above just struck a chord with me and I felt compelled to throw in my two cents. Don't spend it all in one place.

Man on man it's a joy to see that my 'deep intelligence' and 'intellectual erudition' shining through in some of your posts. I have only been saying the bolded now since my 'day one' here. I even did a whole thread just the other day showing that those who voted twice for Bush and now want McSame are bots that lack the capacity to think. People got mad about being called idiots while supplying all the data to prove it.

The false identification with externals, any and all manner of them, is a substitute for the real self love we lost as children. We hate ourselves and are quite insane as a result, all of us without exception and this fact is almost totally unknown because it's the last thing anybody wants to hear.

People cannot see or hear the truth because the truth looks and sounds like an attack on their ego and everything that they love. The real and deeper truth is that you are all far far far more and far far far more valuable than any of the things you worship. The good that you feel in what you worship, love, and support comes not from them and all your absurd beliefs about them, but from your own core and true identity.

Democrats need to learn that calling people stupid and calling the areas the live "fly over country" does not get them to vote for you. Bush being elected the second time has more to do with the failure of the Democratic party than it does "stupid" people voting for Bush again.

I am an independent and I didn't vote for Bush either time, but "not bush" would have easily defeated Bush in 2004. What does it say about Kerry that he couldn't do better than "not bush"?

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Vic
The perfect quote for this thread:

"I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it."

- John Stuart Mill, 1866

Vic, nothing personal, but the definitions of conservatism and liberalism have switched places many times in history.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Pacemaker
What does it say about Kerry that he couldn't do better than "not bush"?

It says the the Republican Party political machine with Karl Rove at it's helm is very formidable.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Elias824
In general though im sick of hearing one side say how smart they are, and if you support anything else your must be an idiot.

But...but...but...Dems are much smarter than Reps (there's a thread somewhere around here that says so)...if you don't believe that...then you're an idiot. <--- sarcasm

I guess it's hard to be humble when you're always right and others aren't intelligent enough to recognize that "fact" and kowtow to your vastly superior intellect. While you say both sides are guilty of this (which I agree), I would say that this arrogant 'elitist' attitude is very well represented by the Left here at ATPN. By my rough estimation...about 10% to 20% of the posters here have a clue...while most of the rest are babbling sock puppets who are consumed by partisan ideologies...unable or unwilling to look at both sides of an issue and think for themselves. It appears that their sense of self worth is directly tied to a glorified perception of their chosen partisan ideology. And then they go on to demonize anyone who doesn't conform to their chosen partisan ideology without a shred of tolerance for others with perspectives worthy of consideration by an intelligent human being.

I could go on and on...but I won't boor you all with my ramblings...Elias824's comment above just struck a chord with me and I felt compelled to throw in my two cents. Don't spend it all in one place.

Oh look, another bloviating conservative poster who can't stay on topic and only manages to duhvert the topic of this thread with some ridiculous rant about liberals. Rush? Is that you?

Dude, the one who's duhverting is you.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Elias824
In general though im sick of hearing one side say how smart they are, and if you support anything else your must be an idiot.

But...but...but...Dems are much smarter than Reps (there's a thread somewhere around here that says so)...if you don't believe that...then you're an idiot. <--- sarcasm

I guess it's hard to be humble when you're always right and others aren't intelligent enough to recognize that "fact" and kowtow to your vastly superior intellect. While you say both sides are guilty of this (which I agree), I would say that this arrogant 'elitist' attitude is very well represented by the Left here at ATPN. By my rough estimation...about 10% to 20% of the posters here have a clue...while most of the rest are babbling sock puppets who are consumed by partisan ideologies...unable or unwilling to look at both sides of an issue and think for themselves. It appears that their sense of self worth is directly tied to a glorified perception of their chosen partisan ideology. And then they go on to demonize anyone who doesn't conform to their chosen partisan ideology without a shred of tolerance for others with perspectives worthy of consideration by an intelligent human being.

I could go on and on...but I won't boor you all with my ramblings...Elias824's comment above just struck a chord with me and I felt compelled to throw in my two cents. Don't spend it all in one place.

Oh look, another bloviating conservative poster who can't stay on topic and only manages to duhvert the topic of this thread with some ridiculous rant about liberals. Rush? Is that you?

Case in point.

Yes, you made my point quite nicely. Thanks.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Yeah... let's put a body of thought that's hundreds of years old and has dozens of past and present variations into a concise, one sentence definition. Combine that generalization with prejudice and what do you have?? No answer necessary :roll:

I suppose this is correct: It's painfully obvious, really- Liberals are dedicated to change for the sake of change. They're not as open to stability, proven ways of doing things, and generally encourage irresponsible experimentation. They reject the past like it's the plague. What a great way to promote nihilism!

I believe we were talking about why the typical right winger rejects intellectualism. Is it possible for you to stay on topic? Or is that yet another obnoxious conservative trait? To duhvert from any implied weakness? Sure seems like it, but man oh man, it sure gets old.

LOL, nice work... I'm talking about your hypocrisy and stereotyping because you can't make a rational comment on topic. Is that the new thing? Say whatever random crap you want and then get flustered when someone calls you on it and then whine about going off topic?

If you think I posted that because I want to divert the discussion towards liberals then my point flew right over your head. It's merely my example of YOUR thinking turned around.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Vic
The perfect quote for this thread:

"I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it."

- John Stuart Mill, 1866

Vic, nothing personal, but the definitions of conservatism and liberalism have switched places many times in history.

Much like Vic's political viewpoint!

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Yeah... let's put a body of thought that's hundreds of years old and has dozens of past and present variations into a concise, one sentence definition. Combine that generalization with prejudice and what do you have?? No answer necessary :roll:

I suppose this is correct: It's painfully obvious, really- Liberals are dedicated to change for the sake of change. They're not as open to stability, proven ways of doing things, and generally encourage irresponsible experimentation. They reject the past like it's the plague. What a great way to promote nihilism!

I believe we were talking about why the typical right winger rejects intellectualism. Is it possible for you to stay on topic? Or is that yet another obnoxious conservative trait? To duhvert from any implied weakness? Sure seems like it, but man oh man, it sure gets old.

LOL, nice work... I'm talking about your hypocrisy and stereotyping because you can't make a rational comment on topic. Is that the new thing? Say whatever random crap you want and then get flustered when someone calls you on it and then whine about going off topic?

If you think I posted that because I want to divert the discussion towards liberals then my point flew right over your head. It's merely my example of YOUR thinking turned around.

It's not stereotyping or even random crap if it's true! Hell, if you disagree so strongly you should look into a new name for your political beliefs, considering the very definition of "conservatism." It's all about conserving. Tradition. Status Quo. Rinse. Repeat.

Apparently these broad concepts are flying over your head.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
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Man on man
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:Q

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Vic
The perfect quote for this thread:

"I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it."

- John Stuart Mill, 1866

Vic, nothing personal, but the definitions of conservatism and liberalism have switched places many times in history.

Much like Vic's political viewpoint!

Don't worry, I'll go back to beating up on the left after Obama wins the election.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
I'm still trying to figure this one out - remind me what's wrong with being intelligent again?

"Its not a mystery why our sides hate each other. You have us because you think that we think you are stupid... We hate you because you are stupid." - that guy on that show (I cant remember the show, but it fits here)

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: spidey07
Where do you get this generalization? I don't think I've ever heard any conservative say they were against being intelligent. Now when you act elitist that's where the rub is and it's that very attitude by people that aren't that intelligent to begin with that pisses people off.

You mean like McCain?

and Limbaugh?