Steeplerot
Lifer
- Mar 29, 2004
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Actually... examining the history of the US. The US has had a very Liberal bent with brief instances of Conservatism.
What doi you think universal voting is.. emancipation... imigrants and the poor rising above their station to become GASP.... industry leaders or politictians.
There is no question there are major negative connotations associated with the word "Conservative" (i.e. segregation, slavery, etc). For many the Conservative movement stands for everything that is wrong with our current society in terms of moral values. For progressives like myself, I see this entire moral values movement in the Conservative party as a complete joke. I am for a society of true equality that is not governed by religious beliefs.
I think you'll be hard pressed to find many people against what the true Conservatives were about...........smaller government, less foreign intervention, balanced budget, etc.
I think you'll be hard pressed to find many people against what the true Conservatives were about...........smaller government, less foreign intervention, balanced budget, etc.
Conservatism has historically been the single most potent force of oppression and destruction the world has ever seen. THAT'S what's with the hate towards conservatism.
myocardia
Diamond Member
- Jun 21, 2003
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Agreed.
Well, he says he's a conservative. And his supporters say he's not a liar. Let's put two and two together here, and see what we come up with: a) he's actually conservative, but not a liar b) he is a liar, but not a conservative or my favorite-- c) he's really both a liar and a conservative.
What a terrible example of begging your question, and then the poor post compounded with the false claim.
You assume they're excuses - your partisanship prevents you from looking at the merits.
Second, the threat of corrupted votes exists as long as the problems are there. A failure to commit fraud one election does not prove anything about fraud later.
3chordcharlie
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- Mar 30, 2004
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Neither Bush nor neoconservatism are 'conservative' in the least, so you're question is highly flawed.
Except I never said neoconservativism did I?
Back on subject. This is what liberals do. They try to rewrite history to say that everything was because of "conservative values" and that is why they are evil. The fact is, liberalism is what is taking this country down the tubes. ie - partial birth abortion/regular abortion, affirmative action (which actually hurts minorities), socialist agendas and so on. LIberals always try to compare issues of the past to issues of today as if slavery has the same connotations as anti-gay marriage, which is just not true. The same is true for most other arguments from the left as well.
First off, I support conservativism, not stricly republicans. So no partisanship here. Second, why is it that when a democrat wins an election, droves are not screaming "he stole the eleciton" but when republicans win, they are? Its just another liberal tin foil hat theory.
shortylickens
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- Jul 15, 2003
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I dislike conservatism because it supports a man and a system even when its completly wrong and kills thousands of US troops and accomplishes very little.
kage69
Lifer
- Jul 17, 2003
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Wow. Losing the House and Senate has hit a lot of people around here pretty hard apparently.
But kudos to the OP for resisting the urge to get all frothy about Pelosi!
Haven't seen too much hatred towards conservatism, but I have noticed a multitude of people finally realizing they can do without a huge number of vindictive hypocrits on the right. The romance is over, for a time at least, now it's time for Repubs to start caring about corruption and accountability again.
But kudos to the OP for resisting the urge to get all frothy about Pelosi!
Haven't seen too much hatred towards conservatism, but I have noticed a multitude of people finally realizing they can do without a huge number of vindictive hypocrits on the right. The romance is over, for a time at least, now it's time for Repubs to start caring about corruption and accountability again.
myocardia
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- Jun 21, 2003
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Well, he says he's a conservative. And his supporters say he's not a liar. Let's put two and two together here, and see what we come up with: a) he's actually conservative, but not a liar b) he is a liar, but not a conservative or my favorite-- c) he's really both a liar somewhat conservative. Those are the only choices, BTW.
First of all, Bush is not conservative. He may proclaim being conservative but his actions while in office say otherwise and actions always speak louder than words.
I believe that if you went around and asked everyone in the country their beliefs you would find most people fall into the moderate Libertarian group.
Smaller, less intrusive government
No need to be world police
Fiscal responsibility
etc...
Arkaign
Lifer
- Oct 27, 2006
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Traditional conservatism is a healthy enough thing to have as part of our national constituency.
Ie; wish for smaller government, lower taxes, fewer government programs.
Where it quite often errs, is when conservatives abandon their original agendas, and replace them with nationalistic, budget-busting giant government, rights-smashing, hate-fueled, war-mongering trash like we've seen lately hijack the Republican party.
You want hate?
"You're with us or you're against us"
"If you don't support the President and this war, you are unpatriotic"
"Killing tens (hundreds?) of thousands of civilians overseas is morally acceptable, but gays marrying? OMFGWTFBBQ! They're going to ruin society, we must rush a GOVERNMENT solution through the courts and legislators to stop the gay invasion!"
I don't agree with much of the standard values associated with most (not all!) liberals, including gun bans, full abortion rights (I support abortion rights, but only in limited circumstances, it's become a form of birth control for many irresponsible people). At the same time, I see ten times less hypocrisy coming from the left these days, than the spectacular hubris and hypocritical blather ravening from the right.
It starts slowly, with ideas and a new right-wing agenda (neoconservatism) gaining ground within a party (Republicans), and then it begins to spread into legislation and action, which begin to have negative consequences. Casual interest turns to irritation, irritation turns to anger, anger turns to hate.
I do not hate classical conservatism. It is almost a polar opposite of the modern big-government 'conservative-in-name-only' fascist Republican party.
I *DO* hate what modern traitorous Republicans and their sychophants have become, and all that they stand for.
They stand for pure evil, pure destruction, pure death, and I have no hope of reform for most of them. They will die like old nazis, 40 years after Hitler's end, still itching to scream 'sieg heil' to some blustering hateful idiot who mirrors their black, demonic souls. Good f*cking riddance and god bless america.
Ie; wish for smaller government, lower taxes, fewer government programs.
Where it quite often errs, is when conservatives abandon their original agendas, and replace them with nationalistic, budget-busting giant government, rights-smashing, hate-fueled, war-mongering trash like we've seen lately hijack the Republican party.
You want hate?
"You're with us or you're against us"
"If you don't support the President and this war, you are unpatriotic"
"Killing tens (hundreds?) of thousands of civilians overseas is morally acceptable, but gays marrying? OMFGWTFBBQ! They're going to ruin society, we must rush a GOVERNMENT solution through the courts and legislators to stop the gay invasion!"
I don't agree with much of the standard values associated with most (not all!) liberals, including gun bans, full abortion rights (I support abortion rights, but only in limited circumstances, it's become a form of birth control for many irresponsible people). At the same time, I see ten times less hypocrisy coming from the left these days, than the spectacular hubris and hypocritical blather ravening from the right.
It starts slowly, with ideas and a new right-wing agenda (neoconservatism) gaining ground within a party (Republicans), and then it begins to spread into legislation and action, which begin to have negative consequences. Casual interest turns to irritation, irritation turns to anger, anger turns to hate.
I do not hate classical conservatism. It is almost a polar opposite of the modern big-government 'conservative-in-name-only' fascist Republican party.
I *DO* hate what modern traitorous Republicans and their sychophants have become, and all that they stand for.
They stand for pure evil, pure destruction, pure death, and I have no hope of reform for most of them. They will die like old nazis, 40 years after Hitler's end, still itching to scream 'sieg heil' to some blustering hateful idiot who mirrors their black, demonic souls. Good f*cking riddance and god bless america.
Modern conservatives have nothing against civil rights and are often some of the most ardent supporters of civil liberties.
The only joke here is you, an attempted parody of a parody.
I know it's difficult for someone like you to seperate the fact that many people in this country care as much or more our country then they do their pocketbooks so don't take your percieved hate you think you see so personal. Just go back to counting your money and pay us no attention.
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