They really didn't think it had a snowball's chance in hell of happening.
They've been thoroughly blindsided and deservedly so.
They dished out some majorly vitriolic crap for the last six years.
They really didn't think it had a snowball's chance in hell of happening.
They've been thoroughly blindsided and deservedly so.
They dished out some majorly vitriolic crap for the last six years.
Don't confuse real conservatives with Republicans. Some of us conservatives are actually rather pleased with the Dems taking Congress...governmental gridlock with a Dem Congress and a Repub White House.
3chordcharlie
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No, you just really don't get it, and that's the problem:
There's little if any hatred of true conservatism, but plenty of well-earned hatred for neoconservatism. Since the two concepts are highly disconnected, you need not be offended by hatred for neoconservatism. When you equate anti-Republican sentiment with anti-conservative sentiment, you are severely misjudging the situation.
As far as your anti-Liberal rant there, I've never heard slavery used as an analogue for gay marriage, though I have heard inter-racial marriage used. I believe that's referred to as a straw-man
How come I have a feeling you aren't Conservative...you're just Republican.
You're as bad as Dave and other straight ticket voters who believe 1 party is the savior for all their ills.
First of all, there's definitely a lot of hatred of conservatives... same as lots of conservatives absolutely loathe their nebulous arch enemy the "liberals". Its almost like a sports team.
Bush IS a conservative. He is the face of modern American conservatism. He might not fit the dictionary definition of it, but that doesn't matter. If what he's doing isn't conservatism... then whey is it that every single "conservative" in politics has walked in lockstep with him until maybe the last 6 months or so? If 100% of opinion making conservatives follow a certain policy... that's what conservatism is now.
I read an article recently and it pointed out something very interesting. You would always hear that these intrusive government policies like the Patriot Act, domestic spying, the war in Iraq, etc. were all needed to keep us safe... and that all those damn liberals were betraying America by resisting them. Now after they lose the elections, we hear that Bush wasn't really a conservative after all, and that the whole problem with his leadership was that he strayed from conservatism. Riiiiiiight.
One of the biggest problems with American conservatism is the strong jingoistic, authoritarian streak that it has in it. It's reluctance to question authority creates a climate that is perfect for these sorts of abuses to occur. Sure people seem to have finally gotten over Bush (for the most part), but it's about 4 years too late.
That's why I don't like conservatives anyway. Fox News... well... duh. It's because they aren't news.
Bush IS a conservative. He is the face of modern American conservatism. He might not fit the dictionary definition of it, but that doesn't matter. If what he's doing isn't conservatism... then whey is it that every single "conservative" in politics has walked in lockstep with him until maybe the last 6 months or so? If 100% of opinion making conservatives follow a certain policy... that's what conservatism is now.
I read an article recently and it pointed out something very interesting. You would always hear that these intrusive government policies like the Patriot Act, domestic spying, the war in Iraq, etc. were all needed to keep us safe... and that all those damn liberals were betraying America by resisting them. Now after they lose the elections, we hear that Bush wasn't really a conservative after all, and that the whole problem with his leadership was that he strayed from conservatism. Riiiiiiight.
One of the biggest problems with American conservatism is the strong jingoistic, authoritarian streak that it has in it. It's reluctance to question authority creates a climate that is perfect for these sorts of abuses to occur. Sure people seem to have finally gotten over Bush (for the most part), but it's about 4 years too late.
That's why I don't like conservatives anyway. Fox News... well... duh. It's because they aren't news.
I don't hate conservatives. I hate people who try to force their religion into politics. I hate people who try to force their morality on others. I hate people who lie to the American populace to achieve their goals.
myocardia
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I thought everyone in P&N knew: you can lead a neo-con to reason, but you can't make him think.Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
No, you just really don't get it, and that's the problem:
There's little if any hatred of true conservatism, but plenty of well-earned hatred for neoconservatism. Since the two concepts are highly disconnected, you need not be offended by hatred for neoconservatism. When you equate anti-Republican sentiment with anti-conservative sentiment, you are severely misjudging the situation.
As far as your anti-Liberal rant there, I've never heard slavery used as an analogue for gay marriage, though I have heard inter-racial marriage used. I believe that's referred to as a straw-man
Do you have proof of me being a straight ticket voter?
Do you have proof I said voting all Democrat is the salvation of my ills?
Your Rush Jr tactics don't impress me and I'm sure don't impress anyone else on here either. :laugh:
Well, there's the line in your sig about waking up and in nearly every thread it's something about being the Republicans fault and that the Democrats are better. If my assessment of your posting history is incorrect, feel free to "enlighten" me.
HomerJS
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Don't hate them just think they are wrong on some things.
Let's examine some hate on the other side. Why do conservatives hate Bill Clinton so much? The Clinton haters started immediately after the 92 election. While I might not agree I understood the Bush haters after 2000 (Florida and the fact he lost the popular vote).
Hatred toward conservatism?
Turn on the radio. 90% of the most successful talk radio programs are 'conservative.'
Who are the haters again?
Turn on the radio. 90% of the most successful talk radio programs are 'conservative.'
Who are the haters again?
3chordcharlie
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mainly because Conservative media end up portraying themselves as blustering backwards uneducated/ignorant fools, whether the majority of conservatives are or not. (Ever listen to Rush Limbaugh talk? He has no clue what is he saying most of the time, is very ill informed about most happenings, and generally reaches conclusions that most sane people would not, that, and he's a total ass) although you can make similar accusations against some "Liberal" (dumb term) pundits & commentators, they don't have the audience or audacity of most conservative pundits. Also, when Conservative politicians or pundits start railing against things with more scientific evidence than you could possibly ever read through in a lifetime (such as evolution or global warming) they come off as angry stupid hicks.
Fox News is not "news" in the sense that most dictionaries would consider it. It is information on world & national events relayed to a demographic base in a manner to stimulate or reinforce already held beliefs, rather than inform and educate. While other news networks are guilty of this to a degree, Fox News is the only one to do it so blatantly, unabashedly, and with such a singular purpose. It's like comparing the WWE to legitmate professional sports.
Arkaign
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You don't think Republicans are responsible for anything the last six years???
Is it all still Clinton's fault?
Do tell me what is your take.
Honestly? There's plenty of blame to go around for the career politicians be they Republican or Democrat.
Awwwww, another spoil sport (OP) whining. sniff sniff....
Where is the professor? He's hasn't been starting 14 pointless threads per day!
sniff sniff....Where is the professor? He's hasn't been starting 14 pointless threads per day!
Arkaign
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Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
Awwwww, another spoil sport (OP) whining.
Where is the professor? He's hasn't been starting 14 pointless threads per day!
Lol, yep.
'Clinton to blame for Bush's low IQ'
'Clinton to blame for Rush Limbaugh catching Hep-C from pre-teen prostitute in 3rd world country'
Every time the Republicans screw something else up (are they running out of mistakes that can possibly be committed yet?) .. ProfJohn always seemed to offer "But Clinton, but the Democrats, but but but"
He was at least civil, however, and once in a great while he said something that rang true. Digging through the 90% partisan garbage was tiresome though.
Everyone says Bush isn't conservative NOW.... where were they 5 years ago? I'll tell you where they were, right behind Bush cheering him on. It's a form of political blind spot. That's sort of what the article I mentioned earlier was all about. When Bush is popular, he's a good conservative. When everyone realizes what a disaster his presidency has been, it's because he fell away from conservatism. Conservatism never fails, it is only failed!
Does anyone have an archive of this forum from a few years back? I bet you could find some really interesting posts from people on here about Bush and Co.
Does anyone have an archive of this forum from a few years back? I bet you could find some really interesting posts from people on here about Bush and Co.
shortylickens
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- Jul 15, 2003
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I hate to be a Republican basher but that seems to be their best argument all around.Originally posted by: Arkaign
Lol, yep.Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
Awwwww, another spoil sport (OP) whining.
Where is the professor? He's hasn't been starting 14 pointless threads per day!
'Clinton to blame for Bush's low IQ'
'Clinton to blame for Rush Limbaugh catching Hep-C from pre-teen prostitute in 3rd world country'
Every time the Republicans screw something else up (are they running out of mistakes that can possibly be committed yet?) .. ProfJohn always seemed to offer "But Clinton, but the Democrats, but but but"
He was at least civil, however, and once in a great while he said something that rang true. Digging through the 90% partisan garbage was tiresome though.
The only good solid regular argument they can come up with is: "But what about those Dems?"
Every single time you say something even slightly critical about the Republican party or conservative viewpoint they immediately start the finger pointing and cry hate and stupidity at the democratic party and "liberal bleeding hearts" who are supposedly trying to tear this country apart.
As I understand it, the political tactic of redirection is quite an old concept.
I don't equate Bush or Fox News as conservative, only pro GOP, which has gone far away from being the conservative party.
Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
Awwwww, another spoil sport (OP) whining.
Where is the professor? He's hasn't been starting 14 pointless threads per day!
If this is whining, then what do you call what you were doing in 2000, and 2004? Heck, even up until 2 weeks ago even!
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