What's with staunch brand loyalty?

[jdoggg12]

Honestly, what is the point of brand loyalty regardless of performance? I see threads about how people wont switch to Intel just b/c they're loyal to AMD and vise versa. What's the point of this (assuming you don't own stock in the company or some other mitigating factor.

Look at it this way - C2D came out and is superior in just about every way to AMDs current chips. If no one jumped ship it wouldn't drive AMD as hard to bounce back and match/beat Intel.

If you don't believe that, lets look at Automakers. Ford, GM, Chrysler have been churning out crap for years, resting on the "buy american" selling factor. The imports however are getting better thus more and more people are buying them. Toyota and Honda are making the best cars on the market, so i buy them. I'd LOVE to buy from an American maker, but my loyalty rests with performance and quality.



What makes you decide to stay loyal to a company when their product is inferior?

 

[meltdown75]

Is there any one reason? Maybe for some people, but humans are creatures of habit. Perhaps some people are sentimental and get attached to certain brands... or they like the comfort of the known vs. the unknown... or they are simply too lazy to try something new...

Damn, I'm loving the ... today!

 

[Canai]

I'm a ship jumper for whatever rocks the boat

of course I always buy ASUS whenever I can

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12
If you don't believe that, lets look at Automakers. Ford, GM, Chrysler have been churning out crap for years, resting on the "buy american" selling factor. The imports however are getting better thus more and more people are buying them. Toyota and Honda are making the best cars on the market, so i buy them. I'd LOVE to buy from an American maker, but my loyalty rests with performance and quality.

What's with people being stuck in the past?

The days when the Big 3 made crappy cars are coming to a quick end. In many cases they are just as good as the Asian competition and in rare cases they exceed them.

 

[mugs]

I'm not generally loyal to a particular brand (except Canon for cameras for lens compatibility), but I definitely am "disloyal" to certain brands. i.e. I've had enough bad experiences with Sony products that I will not buy their products if an alternative exists (and an alternative does exist in almost all cases except for their video game systems, which I will still buy if they have exclusive games that I want to play).

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: jdoggg12
If you don't believe that, lets look at Automakers. Ford, GM, Chrysler have been churning out crap for years, resting on the "buy american" selling factor. The imports however are getting better thus more and more people are buying them. Toyota and Honda are making the best cars on the market, so i buy them. I'd LOVE to buy from an American maker, but my loyalty rests with performance and quality.

What's with people being stuck in the past?

The days when the Big 3 made crappy cars are coming to a quick end. In many cases they are just as good as the Asian competition and in rare cases they exceed them.

Oh really? Proof?

 

[jdoggg12]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: jdoggg12
If you don't believe that, lets look at Automakers. Ford, GM, Chrysler have been churning out crap for years, resting on the "buy american" selling factor. The imports however are getting better thus more and more people are buying them. Toyota and Honda are making the best cars on the market, so i buy them. I'd LOVE to buy from an American maker, but my loyalty rests with performance and quality.

What's with people being stuck in the past?

The days when the Big 3 made crappy cars are coming to a quick end. In many cases they are just as good as the Asian competition and in rare cases they exceed them.

Prove it. Show me an american car that can touch the output/liter of most japanese cars. Reliability is the bigger issue - consumer reports, go look at their reliability ratings. The American cars are very consistantly worse than the Japanese cars with a few exceptions.

But this topic is looking at your reasons for not going with the superior product (assuming a similar price). ...And more focussed on computers

 

[Demon-Xanth]

I'll stick with a manufacturer because of familiarity, and that I know they're good. I stuck with Asus until the P5A then jumped ship because it was a POS, as well as the P3C line sucking balls. I went with Epox for a few boards because they were good, but they've kinda fallen and I'm back to Asus. I've gone with AMD for all of my CPU upgrades because of either a viable upgrade path or bang for the buck was right at the time. If I had to build a new system, I'd probably go for a C2D rather than an X2.

I'm loyal, not stupid.


As far as American cars being crap, I've been quite happy with mine and have never had any serious reliability issues.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: jdoggg12
If you don't believe that, lets look at Automakers. Ford, GM, Chrysler have been churning out crap for years, resting on the "buy american" selling factor. The imports however are getting better thus more and more people are buying them. Toyota and Honda are making the best cars on the market, so i buy them. I'd LOVE to buy from an American maker, but my loyalty rests with performance and quality.

What's with people being stuck in the past?

The days when the Big 3 made crappy cars are coming to a quick end. In many cases they are just as good as the Asian competition and in rare cases they exceed them.

Oh really? Proof?

GM/Ford trucks and SUV's
Ford Focus
Saturn Aura
Solstice
Corvette

Also, I've pointed it out before and you guys seem to just completely ignore it, but this has been one of Toyota's worst years in terms of recalls. Toyota quality has been slipping but it just seems to be something people and the media ignore.

 

[dullard]

Too much brand loyalty can be stupidity in some cases. There are times that you are buying a clearly inferior product at an outrageous price and it is just stupid to do that just for loyalty.

However, that often isn't the case.

For example, I was hurt once very badly by an AMD product. That was at the time that motherboards for AMD chips would crash every 30 minutes of use. That computer was the biggest waste of money I've ever been involved with. So I became anti-AMD with my own purchases. Now, I used to post solely in the General Hardware forum, and I think I never once made an anti-AMD post because I realize that keeping that anti-loyalty is stupid. The crashing problem is long gone, and I don't post biased posts. However, in that time, I did buy two Intel chips. In the worst of the worst phases, Intel was maybe 10% behind AMD. So yeah, I was harmed by 10% in speed. Big whopping deal, I never noticed the minor drop in the year I had it, and my ex got it so I never did get a chance to think it was slow.

Yes my anti-loyalty harmed me, but a 10% drop in speed for the same price is so minimal that it was an insignificant harm. There are much greater things in the world to worry about.

The same is true on Intel's favor now. Yes, the top chips are a bit faster. But the difference isn't that significant (especially for most people who just send emails and browse the internet). Let them get a ~10% slower AMD chip - it won't significantly harm them.

Oh, and I think for many it is anti-loyalty not loyalty. People have a bad experience and hate a company. It is much less often that they love a company.

 

[jdoggg12]

Originally posted by: dullard
Oh, and I think for many it is anti-loyalty not loyalty. People have a bad experience and hate a company. It is much less often that they love a company.

Good point

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: dullard
Oh, and I think for many it is anti-loyalty not loyalty. People have a bad experience and hate a company. It is much less often that they love a company.

Good point

Exactly what I was trying to point out in my recent post.

 

[ryan256]

Well... there's a reason I'm "brand loyal" to a few companies such as Asus, Corsair, Timberland, ect. Its because they make a superior quality product. I know that buying something with their name on it means I'm getting something that will last and work the way it should.

 

[Jfrag Teh Foul]

I'm a ship jumper for whatever rocks the boat

I buy whatever will give the best bang for buck.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

If a company has historically treated its customers right and the priceerformance difference isn't much, I'll make my decision out of "loyalty" if only to encourage their good behavior.

 

[mercanucaribe]

I'm loyal to Jeep because no one else makes small trucks with solid front axles anymore. Seeing as how we only have a short time on earth, I don't see the appeal in making compromises to get better reliability or whatever.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12
Prove it. Show me an american car that can touch the output/liter of most japanese cars. Reliability is the bigger issue - consumer reports, go look at their reliability ratings. The American cars are very consistantly worse than the Japanese cars with a few exceptions.

But this topic is looking at your reasons for not going with the superior product (assuming a similar price). ...And more focussed on computers

LOL@the "output/liter" argument

 

[sswingle]

I <3 AMD & ATI

Have intel notebook though.

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: jdoggg12
Prove it. Show me an american car that can touch the output/liter of most japanese cars. Reliability is the bigger issue - consumer reports, go look at their reliability ratings. The American cars are very consistantly worse than the Japanese cars with a few exceptions.

But this topic is looking at your reasons for not going with the superior product (assuming a similar price). ...And more focussed on computers

LOL@the "output/liter" argument

haha?

 

[Vic]

What do you expect? This is an AMD forum.

I :heart: AMD.


Seriously though, I game considerably less now than I did in my youth, so bleeding edge lunatic fringe performance no longer matters as much to me as getting the best C/P.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12
Prove it. Show me an american car that can touch the output/liter of most japanese cars. Reliability is the bigger issue - consumer reports, go look at their reliability ratings. The American cars are very consistantly worse than the Japanese cars with a few exceptions.

But this topic is looking at your reasons for not going with the superior product (assuming a similar price). ...And more focussed on computers

Output/liter? Dodge Neon SRT-4, Pontiac Solstice GXP, and (Ford) Mazdaspeed 3.

Realibility? Isn't it odd that everyone else but CR shows that domestic cars are on par with the Japanese now? All cars are reliable now. Import and domestic don't exist anymore except as inaccurate labels.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12
Prove it. Show me an american car that can touch the output/liter of most japanese cars.

A 3.0L V6 out of a 1992 Camry weighs 20LBs more than a 7.0L V8 out of a 2006 Corvette. (470LBs vs. 450LBs) By your reasoning, if Toyota got 220HP out of that V6 it would be a better engine than the Chevy.

HP/Lb=useful
HP/L=useless

 

[npoe1]

My loyalty depends on Customer Service and reliability, If a company have good CS and the product work like it should, then they have my loyalty, but if there is other one that offer a substantial better deal then I switch, I switched from Intel to AMD (although I was waiting for Intel to make the return), now I on transition to Intel again, I also went from Ati, nVidia, Ati, and now nVidia again, but feel bad in every switch because I feel like I?m betraying the brand, but in the end I prefer the best.

 

[JS80]

GM and Ford have reputation of making great trucks...

 

[Conky]

Your assumption that American cars are inferior shows that you are guilty of the same "blind loyalty" you accuse people who buy American cars of.

If you actually go look at what you can buy and the real costs involved there are American brands of cars and trucks that far exceed the value you get from foreign branded cars. Most vehicles are made from parts from all over the planet and the whole concept of foreign versus domestic is mostly branding these days. It's a global economy thing.

But I'd still rather park a Cadillac in my garage instead of a Hyundai.