I will now specify in full luvly detail on what happened. All my windows were open including my sun roof. I stopped at a traffic light and waited there. While I was talking to my mother, a SUV/CAR of some sort pulled up and was blasting the song "DMX- X gonna give it to ya". I was irritated because it was so loud, so I rolled up my window. Notice how I said MY window, which means the driver side window. My Sunroof and all passenger windows were all open still. Closing my windows allowed me to not hear the ruckus at full blast if it means anything to you. Afterwards, I hear a sneed comment about how I rolled up the window because this person is black. I looked and saw a black man fussing about this to someone his is back passenger seat. And that is how I heard his comment.
Are you happy that I gave you the full facts now luvly? You seem to think that you're one of the wise people of ATOT when the truth is that you do not know wtf you're talking about most of the time.
WTF would I make up this stuff up? I mean, if all my windows were up, obviously I wouldn't be able to hear him. I could care less about what he's saying.
the act of rolling up windows is not racist but his usage of "in the usual black tone" is what set it off.
hell, if he wants associate people with negative sterotypes thats his problem.
Why would I want to talk to someone that I do not know? I usually try to avoid conversation from those that I do not know. Why can't I say that it is a black tone. Everybody associates ebonics as being a black tone. So you don't? Then what is it?
1. Talk to who ever you want and not want to. that's your choice. i dont' care.
2. black tone. Do you really thing ALL Black people talk like that? Ebonics or usage of slang or pronunciation is not limited to Black people. I fail to understand how it's a Black tone. I don't know what shell you live in but it's mainly the enviroment that produces ebonics and slang and not an ethnic group. Understand? Hell, alot of the time my gf talks in ebonics and slang .. is she Black? NO.
3. Enjoy life.
Heh, so you're saying that ebonics is not a black way fo speaking? Dude, even Chris Rock states that ebonics is a black thing and he kids around on how black people are.
Just like you say that all asians are crappy drivers....?
since u are asian ... u get away with saying that. Had another race said that.. you would have been after their lives...
And you seem to not have gotten that it was a tongue in cheek statement. Unless your post was tongue in cheek. Then so is this one.
EDIT: And P.S. I wasn't the one who made the following statement:
Oh god, I'm arguing over the internet. What has become of me. I'm just trying to make snide comments here and there and I'm getting pulled into the fray. In that case hold up, let me take off my earings, hold my watch dawg, it's gon get ugly up in here.
P.S.S. I am not wearing earings.
P.S.S.S. I took them off.
I did post in the Forum Issues board as I felt this one could get real nasty but (compared to some in the past) it didn't.
apparently stereotyping anyone (except gays) is alright around here.
despite the original posters ignorance he should be able to speak his mind and others should be able to disagree, so the thread is cool (in that regard)
selective censorship sucks.
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
it kind of died when i started posting.
I agree with you. How come it is okay to use "positive" sterotypes, while using the negative ones will have you labeled as a racist?
Also, liberals can be racists too, just more in the closet.
chrono: "ebonics" probably would have been less offensive. the "in their usual black tone" is what is "getting you in trouble" with the people at ATOT. Its really more "urban slang" now--although it probably evolved from "the ghetto"; that is, housing projects in urban areas, which admittedly have a disproportionate percentage of blacks. Although now, mainly because of the popularity of rap and r&b, it has "spread"--I see white teenagers in suburbia speaking "in that black tone".
As far as the using his race as an excuse: you see a GREAT deal of people that do this. And not just race. You'll see either gender doing it, you'll see people with different sexual orientations doing it, etc. It doesn't make it right, but its not just a stereotypical reaction.
My suggestion. If I were in your shoes: I would have rolled my window down and said, "no, its because your music is to frigging loud. i would roll up my windows if it was the Dixie Chicks." Or you could simply say, "no, its because your music sucks" (but be prepared for the ensuing argument). If you're TRULY not racist, don't let people think you are. As I told a co-worker of mine who I gave a poor evaluation (and she replied "Its because I'm a woman, isn't it?"), "no, its because you're incompetent".
A note to ATOT: everyone is "racist" in their personal life. But its mostly cultural--because in your private life, you deal with a LOT of cultural issues, and you'll probably associate with people whose upbringing and ideals most closely resemble your own--and that's the case for EVERY race. Most whites have mostly white friends. Most blacks have mostly black friends. Here in engineering graduate school, there are a great deal of Chinese students (like studying here and planning on returning to China). And you know what? They eat lunch together and speak Chinese the whole time. Why don't they include some hick from SW Virginia? Maybe, just maybe, because they identify with people in their own situation better.
The mark of a "non-racist" is how a person deals with people of other races and cultures in their PUBLIC life. Don't discriminate on who you hand out work to--in ANY way shape or form. Give it to who is the most competent. Don't exclude certain members because of their personal beliefs--but expect them to do the same. Don't cut anyone ANY slack OR give anyone any special benefit because of their race. You can do whatever you want to in your personal life, as long as it isn't harming anyone. But in your public life--hold everyone to the same standards--and let them know that you do.
As far as the using his race as an excuse: you see a GREAT deal of people that do this. And not just race. You'll see either gender doing it, you'll see people with different sexual orientations doing it, etc. It doesn't make it right, but its not just a stereotypical reaction.
My suggestion. If I were in your shoes: I would have rolled my window down and said, "no, its because your music is to frigging loud. i would roll up my windows if it was the Dixie Chicks." Or you could simply say, "no, its because your music sucks" (but be prepared for the ensuing argument). If you're TRULY not racist, don't let people think you are. As I told a co-worker of mine who I gave a poor evaluation (and she replied "Its because I'm a woman, isn't it?"), "no, its because you're incompetent".
A note to ATOT: everyone is "racist" in their personal life. But its mostly cultural--because in your private life, you deal with a LOT of cultural issues, and you'll probably associate with people whose upbringing and ideals most closely resemble your own--and that's the case for EVERY race. Most whites have mostly white friends. Most blacks have mostly black friends. Here in engineering graduate school, there are a great deal of Chinese students (like studying here and planning on returning to China). And you know what? They eat lunch together and speak Chinese the whole time. Why don't they include some hick from SW Virginia? Maybe, just maybe, because they identify with people in their own situation better.
The mark of a "non-racist" is how a person deals with people of other races and cultures in their PUBLIC life. Don't discriminate on who you hand out work to--in ANY way shape or form. Give it to who is the most competent. Don't exclude certain members because of their personal beliefs--but expect them to do the same. Don't cut anyone ANY slack OR give anyone any special benefit because of their race. You can do whatever you want to in your personal life, as long as it isn't harming anyone. But in your public life--hold everyone to the same standards--and let them know that you do.
i don't agree that what you described is racism.
we are allowed personal choice without being labeled a RACIST. its ridiculous to imply that in order NOT to be a racist we must have a quota of nationalities as our personal friends. that my "circle" of friends should be made up of 55% white, 20% black, 18% hispanic etc.
BUT, how we deal with outsiders when they come into our CIRCLE defines whethor or not we are racist. people i work with, some are black, some are indian, some are jewish. to me, they are all people. i treat them all with the same respect or disrespect.
the problem with PC is it focuses on what is SHOWN and not what IS. it only focuses on the appearance and often times it is used as an excuse to not change how people really feel deep inside.
PC focuses on the symptoms and not the cause.
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
i don't agree that what you described is racism.
we are allowed personal choice without being labeled a RACIST. its ridiculous to imply that in order NOT to be a racist we must have a quota of nationalities as our personal friends. that my "circle" of friends should be made up of 55% white, 20% black, 18% hispanic etc.
BUT, how we deal with outsiders when they come into our CIRCLE defines whethor or not we are racist. people i work with, some are black, some are indian, some are jewish. to me, they are all people. i treat them all with the same respect or disrespect.
the problem with PC is it focuses on what is SHOWN and not what IS. it only focuses on the appearance and often times it is used as an excuse to not change how people really feel deep inside.
PC focuses on the symptoms and not the cause.
Oh... we absolutely agree. That's why I put "racist" in quotes.
I'm just commenting that some people define racism VERY narrowly--discriminating against anyone for any reason--even in one's personal life. I don't think someone choice in their personal life can be "racist" at all--its their personal choice. I completely agree--the whole thing is how you treat those you publicly encounter... and you show you treat the people should be irrespective of race. If they're doing something you despise, despise them on THAT basis. Treat people with an equal amount of respect or disrespect, as you put it.Like you, I HATE political correctness. I think we spend too much time generalizing things--for political correctness too. PC nuts claim that bigots "stereotype"... but affirmative action stereotypes as well. An "african-american" is eligible for AA only because their african-american.... despite what disadvantages/advantages that they've had. It doesn't matter if they're the son/daughter of the CEO of a major corporation, or if they grew up in a housing project. The latter I can understand--they probably had less support at home and went to lesser schools. The former is plain ridiculous. An interesting point that Chris Rock pointed out, as well: "Everyone wants to blame the welfare problem on blacks.... but there's a lot of broke-ass white people in this country". I think we need to focus on socio-economics more in this country--and correcting THOSE disparities on a case-by-case basis.... rather than stereotyping the needs/qualifications of others solely based on the color of their skin.
Originally posted by: HokieESM
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
i don't agree that what you described is racism.
we are allowed personal choice without being labeled a RACIST. its ridiculous to imply that in order NOT to be a racist we must have a quota of nationalities as our personal friends. that my "circle" of friends should be made up of 55% white, 20% black, 18% hispanic etc.
BUT, how we deal with outsiders when they come into our CIRCLE defines whethor or not we are racist. people i work with, some are black, some are indian, some are jewish. to me, they are all people. i treat them all with the same respect or disrespect.
the problem with PC is it focuses on what is SHOWN and not what IS. it only focuses on the appearance and often times it is used as an excuse to not change how people really feel deep inside.
PC focuses on the symptoms and not the cause.
Oh... we absolutely agree. That's why I put "racist" in quotes.
Like you, I HATE political correctness. I think we spend too much time generalizing things--for political correctness too. PC nuts claim that bigots "stereotype"... but affirmative action stereotypes as well. An "african-american" is eligible for AA only because their african-american.... despite what disadvantages/advantages that they've had. It doesn't matter if they're the son/daughter of the CEO of a major corporation, or if they grew up in a housing project. The latter I can understand--they probably had less support at home and went to lesser schools. The former is plain ridiculous. An interesting point that Chris Rock pointed out, as well: "Everyone wants to blame the welfare problem on blacks.... but there's a lot of broke-ass white people in this country". I think we need to focus on socio-economics more in this country--and correcting THOSE disparities on a case-by-case basis.... rather than stereotyping the needs/qualifications of others solely based on the color of their skin.
Good luck trying to get the NAACP to agree with you.
is that a stereotype? actually not because the NAACP has pretty firm public positions on these issues.
To quote Sublime:
Racism is a schizm on a serious tip, don't believe me and i gwan n bust ya lip
Racism is a schizm on a serious tip, don't believe me and i gwan n bust ya lip
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Good luck trying to get the NAACP to agree with you.
is that a stereotype? actually not because the NAACP has pretty firm public positions on these issues.
I know... its kinda sad. Of course, the NAACP isn't the most "unbiased" source, either.
I've personally just never cared about a person's race.... I do too many varied things. Between playing football from when I was 8 to now being in a PhD program in engineering, I've had pleasant and not-so-pleasant encounters with a member of almost every race. Not that I'm "super-nice" or anything... if someone's doing something I don't like, I'll tell them... but I really don't care what color their skin is (or what gender, or whatever). Its race-based apathy, I suppose. I know its a natural human tendency to separate into groups.... but this is a mighty silly one. I can understand cultural groups, interest groups, etc... but I really don't understand "race". Especially something like the NAACP... I mean, I've seen a WIDE spectrum of african-americans in this country. And other than the whole "I'll take anything I can get in the way of an advantage" (which you can't really blame the individual for... but still), I don't see how it can represent the group as a whole. I understand something like the National Society of Black Engineers--a minority group, with similar interests, wants to meet people in a similar situation... but I really don't understand the wide-sweeping groups--who are really too wide-sweeping to do anything to help the group as a whole. Anyhow. This subject has a lot of debate elsewhere... and i'm certainly not going to change it. There are far too many people who really care about what race other people are (so that they can "discriminate", in the general sense of the word).
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Originally posted by: AvesPKS
That's why you need one...it's nice being to drown out 90% of everyone else's music who's on the road if you need too...
I concur. Nothing pisses people off more than when they are blasting their rap music and you pull up next to them and blast country on a subwoofer
Originally posted by: deerslayer
Originally posted by: AvesPKS
That's why you need one...it's nice being to drown out 90% of everyone else's music who's on the road if you need too...
I concur. Nothing pisses people off more than when they are blasting their rap music and you pull up next to them and blast country on a subwoofer
the other day, i was stopped at a light and these "REDNECKS" were BLASTING their music. i don't even know what kind. they had some SERIOUS bass going from their car tho. even with my windows totally shut i could feel my bones shake and my ears hurt really bad.
I just can't figure out how they can listen to it that loud. it's got to be bad for their ears.
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