What's up with some people?

[Tom]

"from the beginning there were 2 primary schools of thought in the womens movement. it's been years since i took womens study philosophy course so i can't quote sources for you.

however, it was laid out as, 1. women are the same and equal. 2. women are different but equal. initially the first group had MUCH more influence and voice. lately the 2nd has become the predominant thought.


again, my primary reference was gloria steinman."


Maybe that's the difference between living through something and learning it in a class. Frankly, I think somebody has made a mistake somewhere because that isn't the way it was.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Chrono
lol, mod edit for my title. but my thread isn't about all people though. it was about some black man telling me that i was afraid/intimidated by him because of his race.
i've never heard any other race use this excuse, at least not in la.
and so, only a few may understand.

I've noticed tha Blacks and Asians don't particularly like each other, especially in LA. Why is that?

asians buy up small retail stores (grocery stores, vegetables stores, liquor stores) in black areas, earn money and move out. many blacks (not all but many in these neighborhoods) resent that fact. they feel like these asians are leaching off them.

So in all likelyhood what Chrono witnessed was a manifestation of that hostility between Blacks and Asians so prevelant in LA.

it doesn't excuse it. and there are segments of black people, believe it or not, that are quite predjudiced against asians (just as their are asians predjudiced against black people)

I wasn't making an excuse for it. I'm sure everytime a Black goes into an Asian owned Shop in LA and the owners start speaking in their native language Blacks probably believe that they are being talked about and bet a ggood percentage of the time it is true. When I was a Property Manager I use to have Asian Clients who own Rental Properties and I can tell you from first hand accounts that they didn't think highly of Black tenamts (actually I got the feeling they didn't think that highly of Americans in General) But for a buck they would deal with us. BTW, these where not Americans of Asian Ancestry

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"from the beginning there were 2 primary schools of thought in the womens movement. it's been years since i took womens study philosophy course so i can't quote sources for you.

however, it was laid out as, 1. women are the same and equal. 2. women are different but equal. initially the first group had MUCH more influence and voice. lately the 2nd has become the predominant thought.


again, my primary reference was gloria steinman."


Maybe that's the difference between living through something and learning it in a class. Frankly, I think somebody has made a mistake somewhere because that isn't the way it was.

not everyone agrees with you. i was speaking with a 56 yr old female business associate just a couple of days ago and that's EXACTLY how she expressed it. the focus of our discussion was how different boys and girls are and we mentioned SPECIFICALLY steinman and those schools of thought.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Chrono
lol, mod edit for my title. but my thread isn't about all people though. it was about some black man telling me that i was afraid/intimidated by him because of his race.
i've never heard any other race use this excuse, at least not in la.
and so, only a few may understand.

I've noticed tha Blacks and Asians don't particularly like each other, especially in LA. Why is that?

asians buy up small retail stores (grocery stores, vegetables stores, liquor stores) in black areas, earn money and move out. many blacks (not all but many in these neighborhoods) resent that fact. they feel like these asians are leaching off them.

So in all likelyhood what Chrono witnessed was a manifestation of that hostility between Blacks and Asians so prevelant in LA.

Yup, Chrono probably got his feelings hurt in Black/Asian resentment. Haven't you ever seen Menace 2 Society? "I feel sorry for your mutha" sums up how they feel (and the response).

 

[Yax]

While fishing of a peer, I spoke with a guy once who wasn't prejudice against any other race but black people. I asked why (to be politically correct ofcourse).

(FROM Memory)
Him: Black people are mean, self centered, rude and loud.
Me: They're not all like that.
Him: No, but most of them are and I'd rather error in favor of my safty than their well being.
Me: But then you're not giving them much of a chance.
Him: Its in their culture. Their friends, families and neighbors promote this behavior so the kids grow up acting all tough and stuff.
Me: (Thinking)I guess he has a point. Growing up in a ghetto, I kinda knew what he was referring to. I saw the attitude stuff all the time.
Him: I don't see any way their culture can change unless they start moving out of their current environments; but if they move out after they're older, they tend to carry their attitudes with them. Its if they moved out when they were kids and grew up in a less hostile environment, then they'll be better bahaved.

Agree or disagree?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
While fishing of a peer, I spoke with a guy once who wasn't prejudice against any other race but black people. I asked why (to be politically correct ofcourse).

(FROM Memory)
Him: Black people are mean, self centered, rude and loud.
Me: They're not all like that.
Him: No, but most of them are and I'd rather error in favor of my safty than their well being.
Me: But then you're not giving them much of a chance.
Him: Its in their culture. Their friends, families and neighbors promote this behavior so the kids grow up acting all tough and stuff.
Me: (Thinking)I guess he has a point. Growing up in a ghetto, I kinda knew what he was referring to. I saw the attitude stuff all the time.
Him: I don't see any way their culture can change unless they start moving out of their current environments; but if they move out after they're older, they tend to carry their attitudes with them. Its if they moved out when they were kids and grew up in a less hostile environment, then they'll be better bahaved.

Agree or disagree?

Like what we think matters. Show some initiative and go ask a group of blacks that question.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
While fishing of a peer, I spoke with a guy once who wasn't prejudice against any other race but black people. I asked why (to be politically correct ofcourse).

(FROM Memory)
Him: Black people are mean, self centered, rude and loud.
Me: They're not all like that.
Him: No, but most of them are and I'd rather error in favor of my safty than their well being.
Me: But then you're not giving them much of a chance.
Him: Its in their culture. Their friends, families and neighbors promote this behavior so the kids grow up acting all tough and stuff.
Me: (Thinking)I guess he has a point. Growing up in a ghetto, I kinda knew what he was referring to. I saw the attitude stuff all the time.
Him: I don't see any way their culture can change unless they start moving out of their current environments; but if they move out after they're older, they tend to carry their attitudes with them. Its if they moved out when they were kids and grew up in a less hostile environment, then they'll be better bahaved.

Agree or disagree?

i disagree. you can't fish of a peer.

fish OFF a pier mb. Fish FOR a peer mb. but you can't fish of a peer.

also, the rest of what you posted is nonsense.

not to be racist, but in my experience, no large group of people frighten me as much as a bunch of white drunks.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
While fishing of a peer, I spoke with a guy once who wasn't prejudice against any other race but black people. I asked why (to be politically correct ofcourse).

(FROM Memory)
Him: Black people are mean, self centered, rude and loud.
Me: They're not all like that.
Him: No, but most of them are and I'd rather error in favor of my safty than their well being.
Me: But then you're not giving them much of a chance.
Him: Its in their culture. Their friends, families and neighbors promote this behavior so the kids grow up acting all tough and stuff.
Me: (Thinking)I guess he has a point. Growing up in a ghetto, I kinda knew what he was referring to. I saw the attitude stuff all the time.
Him: I don't see any way their culture can change unless they start moving out of their current environments; but if they move out after they're older, they tend to carry their attitudes with them. Its if they moved out when they were kids and grew up in a less hostile environment, then they'll be better bahaved.

Agree or disagree?

i disagree. you can't fish of a peer.

fish OFF a pier mb. Fish FOR a peer mb. but you can't fish of a peer.

also, the rest of what you posted is nonsense.

not to be racist, but in my experience, no large group of people frighten me as much as a bunch of white drunks.

Especially when we have access to Ropes!

 

[PatboyX]

Him: I don't see any way their culture can change unless they start moving out of their current environments

now there is something that a lot of people agree with.
if you raise people in a negative and hostile environment, regardless of race, the same patterns will be followed on the whole. thats all fine and good, but how do you get said people out of that enviroment? is this guy going to begin urban renewal and the restructuring of our society?
maybe it was once true that in america you really could be anything you wanted but that doesnt seem true right now. while a few people may struggle out of bad places to make it in to a less painful community the vast majority of people in low-income brackets stay there, not always for want of trying.

also, having relatives and friends in the DC area, i have witnessed the white fear of black people "moving into our towns" so...its sort of a catch-22. i live in north jersey where the town lines really arn't nearly as vividly drawn as they are down there so the idea of any group of people "moving into" a town seem antiquated and ficticious until i lived down there for a bit.

 

[Giscardo]

Most racism in any direction exists as a status quo, and is hard to actually change on a society or cultural level. You may have some small success rate trying to get people to ditch their racist views with a lot of time and effort, but what have you accomplished, you've converted one person. The rest of the world awaits.

With the asian/black example, "racist asians" have preconceptions about blacks, and blacks have preconceptions about asians. When this racist asian encounters blacks, his closed-minded attitude (not as an asian, but as an ignorant person) forces him to construe what he sees as supporting evidence for his ridiculous theories, and thus attributing them to race. Any evidence to the contrary is usually overlooked because the whole time the asian is expecting the black guy to do something horrible. Now I know that some of you have poor reading skills and will think that I am saying this about all asians, but please reread this paragraph carefully before you accuse me of making generalizations about asians. This is just one possible explanation of how racist views are propagated.

Now to further my theory, the black man is not stupid, and he can sense the animousity that racist people of other ethnicities have towards him. We can all read body language. Now in the same way the racist asian's mindset acts to confirm his racist views, the black guy walking down the street comes to expect that most or all asians are harboring some hate for him, and as a matter of self respect he can't just approach every asian guy with a clean slate. Again, this is an example, and not to be taken as a generalization. It's all hypothetical for the sake of illustrating how racist views can propagate each other in both directions.

There are far too many factors to go into in a post, or even in a book. There is no hope, go put on some black low-top Nikes and drink some arsenic punch. We can't be racist if we're all dead can we?