What's up with 7900GT(X) Availability?

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

I have my two evga 7900GTX superclocked running right now and will convert them to water next week. MMMAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Errr ... sorry but I went from a 9600pro to a 7800GTX to two 7900GTX watercooled. Ah progress and wallet lightening in something.

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: akugami
Hi. Welcome to the 7300GS.

The 7300GS is out. Unlike the X1800GTO.

It was available on the day they announced it.

It was announced about a month in advance before it was availabe. The X1800GTO is suppose to be out about a week after "launch" due to all the people selling the X1900's early. But again, the 7300 was announced much much earlier than the X1800GTO relative to actual availability of the cards, hence, welcome to the 7300.

 

[Cookie Monster]

All the 7300GS went to the Asian market. And it was available to them the day it was released. The quantity we are talking about are tens of thousands.

Then as NV promised it was available in USA, Europe, etc after 2 weeks from their initial release of the card. There is nothing to argue about, and it wasnt a paper launch.

Nothing to hard to understand about that.

 

[iamfalcon]

I had trouble finding a 7900GT when I went to buy one as well. All the usual suspects were sold out (Newegg, ZipZoomFly, Monarch). I was able to find an XFX 7900GT Extreme Edition at TigerDirect however. It was $309.99 (only a few bucks more than Newegg was charging). Check it out, I think they have a few left.

Iamfalcon

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
All the 7300GS went to the Asian market. And it was available to them the day it was released. The quantity we are talking about are tens of thousands.

Then as NV promised it was available in USA, Europe, etc after 2 weeks from their initial release of the card. There is nothing to argue about, and it wasnt a paper launch.

Nothing to hard to understand about that.

Well, I think Wreckage (a known fanboy always ready with anti ATI propoganda) was just up to the usual. And if you're going to call the X1800GTO a paper launch because it was announced to be available in one week (and I really don't know if it will be since the week's not up), you're going to have to call teh 7300GS a paper launch since in the US market it wasn't available for over two weeks. Now, I wasn't in the market for a mid range card so I didn't really check for availability but it remains that the card was announced in the north American market at least 2 weeks ahead of when it would be available. The X1800GTO was announced 1 week ahead of when it's suppose to be available.

Nitpicking aside, if a company announces a product and it's available within a week or at most 2, who really cares? Seriously, I remember some ATI fanboys calling the 7300GS a paper launch (and by the very definition of paper launch nVidia uses, it was indeed a paper launch) and I thought it was much ado about nothing. With Wreckage again jumping on the anti ATI bandwagon over a minor issue, I still think it's much ado about nothing. Same issue, different company. Now if and when the 3rd week of March is over and the card still hasn't launched THEN I'd say their one week window has passed by a lot and it would indeed be a paper launch.

Ultimately, the question is whether you were going to buy one of the cards in question? If no, then who cares if it's a paper launch or not since you were not going to buy one anyways? All the fanboys need to sit back and stfu up at times and stop harping over minor issues like it's going to cause the end of the world. And I don't mean you Cookie Monster as you seem fairly level headed. The fanboys know who they are.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: akugami

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
All the 7300GS went to the Asian market. And it was available to them the day it was released. The quantity we are talking about are tens of thousands.

Then as NV promised it was available in USA, Europe, etc after 2 weeks from their initial release of the card. There is nothing to argue about, and it wasnt a paper launch.

Nothing to hard to understand about that.

Well, I think Wreckage (a known fanboy always ready with anti ATI propoganda) was just up to the usual. And if you're going to call the X1800GTO a paper launch because it was announced to be available in one week (and I really don't know if it will be since the week's not up), you're going to have to call teh 7300GS a paper launch since in the US market it wasn't available for over two weeks. Now, I wasn't in the market for a mid range card so I didn't really check for availability but it remains that the card was announced in the north American market at least 2 weeks ahead of when it would be available. The X1800GTO was announced 1 week ahead of when it's suppose to be available.

Nitpicking aside, if a company announces a product and it's available within a week or at most 2, who really cares? Seriously, I remember some ATI fanboys calling the 7300GS a paper launch (and by the very definition of paper launch nVidia uses, it was indeed a paper launch) and I thought it was much ado about nothing. With Wreckage again jumping on the anti ATI bandwagon over a minor issue, I still think it's much ado about nothing. Same issue, different company. Now if and when the 3rd week of March is over and the card still hasn't launched THEN I'd say their one week window has passed by a lot and it would indeed be a paper launch.

Ultimately, the question is whether you were going to buy one of the cards in question? If no, then who cares if it's a paper launch or not since you were not going to buy one anyways? All the fanboys need to sit back and stfu up at times and stop harping over minor issues like it's going to cause the end of the world. And I don't mean you Cookie Monster as you seem fairly level headed. The fanboys know who they are.

QFT. :laugh:

I wish they release 7600GS AGP. Something im looking forward to. Need to replace this FX5700 on my old AGP system. 7800GS aint worth it.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: akugami
Well, I think Wreckage (a known fanboy always ready with anti ATI propoganda) was just up to the usual. And if you're going to call the X1800GTO a paper launch because it was announced to be available in one week (and I really don't know if it will be since the week's not up), you're going to have to call teh 7300GS a paper launch since in the US market it wasn't available for over two weeks.

The problem is that the 7300GS was announced for the overseas market and it was released there on schedule. It's just that the US websites posted news about it.

However the X1800GTO was benchmarked by several sites so it was paper launched stateside.

Also, look in the mirror when you call me a fanboy because your blind defense of ATI does not make you impartial.

The level of hypocrisy in this forum is amazing.

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: akugami
Well, I think Wreckage (a known fanboy always ready with anti ATI propoganda) was just up to the usual. And if you're going to call the X1800GTO a paper launch because it was announced to be available in one week (and I really don't know if it will be since the week's not up), you're going to have to call teh 7300GS a paper launch since in the US market it wasn't available for over two weeks.

The problem is that the 7300GS was announced for the overseas market and it was released there on schedule. It's just that the US websites posted news about it.

However the X1800GTO was benchmarked by several sites so it was paper launched stateside.

Also, look in the mirror when you call me a fanboy because your blind defense of ATI does not make you impartial.

The level of hypocrisy in this forum is amazing.

And yet, just in this very thread, I defend nVidia. Or did your green shades and selective memory cause you to gloss over that fact?

I have defend each company to a degree, but I'm not blinded by any one company's propaganda and I don't brown nose any one company. If one company is sucking, I tell it like it is. Do I have a bias? Of course, we all do. The more level headed and intelligent ones who don't get a hard on from defending a company to the death know if I'm a fanboy or merely a fan. You my friend, are an admitted fanboy.

Again, the relevance of a paper launch is an issue each has to decide for himself. Let me quote myself about what to use when gauging the relevance of a paper launch.

Ultimately, the question is whether you were going to buy one of the cards in question? If no, then who cares if it's a paper launch or not since you were not going to buy one anyways? All the fanboys need to sit back and stfu up at times and stop harping over minor issues like it's going to cause the end of the world.

Unless your goal is blindly attack a company (ATI in this case) who cares if it's a paper launch or not if you were not and never were going to buy the card in question anyways? Seriously, did ATI employees take your lunch money at school when you were little? Did they beat you up in the school yard and make you cry uncle in grade school? What is this overwhelming hatred of certain companies that some of you have (not just talking about ATI and nVidia but companies like Apple as well)? I don't get it, do you have a financial stake in ATI's competitors (basically nVidia)? Does mommy give you an extra scoop of icecream when you make fun of the bad man?

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: akugami
Unless your goal is blindly attack a company (ATI in this case) who cares if it's a paper launch or not if you were not and never were going to buy the card in question anyways? Seriously, did ATI employees take your lunch money at school when you were little? Did they beat you up in the school yard and make you cry uncle in grade school? What is this overwhelming hatred of certain companies that some of you have (not just talking about ATI and nVidia but companies like Apple as well)? I don't get it, do you have a financial stake in ATI's competitors (basically nVidia)? Does mommy give you an extra scoop of icecream when you make fun of the bad man?

:roll: That response showed the maturity of a zygote.

You claim to be impartial, yet your defense of ATI over such obvious errors shows your true side. Your response to my post only highlights your lack of credibility.

My problem is not with ATI as a whole, but with their marketing driven focus. False advertising and paper launches don't make for a fan friendly company.

 

[Madellga]

In the recent past I could:

Get an X1900XT on the launch day and also order it in the following weeks. The price
dropped like 20% in the first 45 days.

In the recent past I could not:
Get a 7900GTX on the launch day and could not order it also in the following week. The price has gone up 20% on the websites offering it.

I got my 7900GTX purely by luck. The store I normally buy stuff had none to order but have some on display on the shop window. After begging enough, I was "allowed" to buy them.

Wrapping up:
The 7900 family did not launch like the 7800. Nvidia deserves a kick here.

The 1900 family did not launch like the X1800. ATI deserves to be praised here.

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: akugami
Unless your goal is blindly attack a company (ATI in this case) who cares if it's a paper launch or not if you were not and never were going to buy the card in question anyways? Seriously, did ATI employees take your lunch money at school when you were little? Did they beat you up in the school yard and make you cry uncle in grade school? What is this overwhelming hatred of certain companies that some of you have (not just talking about ATI and nVidia but companies like Apple as well)? I don't get it, do you have a financial stake in ATI's competitors (basically nVidia)? Does mommy give you an extra scoop of icecream when you make fun of the bad man?

:roll: That response showed the maturity of a zygote.

You claim to be impartial, yet your defense of ATI over such obvious errors shows your true side. Your response to my post only highlights your lack of credibility.

My problem is not with ATI as a whole, but with their marketing driven focus. False advertising and paper launches don't make for a fan friendly company.

You're entering the realm of absurdity with your denials and actions. I was trying to show how stupid it is to blindly follow one company. And you of course chose to quote the part where I'm posting nonsense instead of the part where I address and prove you wrong on some points. Not that I'm above stupidity myself, as all humans are prone to error, but you overwhelming need to get a hard on from defending nVidia and flaming ATI won't let you admit you're wrong and being stupid. You conveniently say I defend ATI, and you totally ignore the part where I defend nVidia when it's warranted. Even in this very thread as I already stated I defend nVidia. That's if your selective memory and pride would allow you to see past your own stupidity. You're probably set on hating me and labelling me a fanboy because I've proven you to be a biased fanboy for far too long. If fanboys don't continually spread flase info on ATI I wouldn't need to constantly defend ATI. I notice the ATI fanboys don't hound nVidia at every single turn and do the same things you do. Not that some of them aren't above such things but rarely do I see ATI fanboys stoop to the rabid level you do.

If your problem is not with ATI why in the heck do you keep posting anti ATI bullcrap at every single turn even when it is a half-truth or outright lie at best? Why do you excuse the same behavior from nVidia? ATI false advertising? Geeze, wasn't this covered in another thread where a graph that supposedly came from ATI was never proven to be false but merely misleading. Not to mention the fact that all the nVidia fanboys who were set to burn ATI at the stake couldn't even prove that the graph came from ATI in the first place. Furthermore nVidia's market department itself engages in the same "false advertising" practices as ATI and nVidia has been proven to be more insidious than ATI in it's marketing practices. Apple does similar to ATI, so does Intel, so does MS, so does AMD and definitely so does nVidia. It's called marketing, and I don't know how you can sit here and say only ATI does it. Drinking too much green coolaid is all I can guess. Lest anyone forget, you once stated that it was your very goal to be a troll. I can't quote you word for word but it was along the lines of you wanting to goad every ATI fan/boy and getting them worked up.

I'll sit back and watch you selectively ignore all of my points and concentrate on a few lines that are quoted out of text to address. Something you've done in the past and continue to do instead of having an intelligent discussion. Heck, you've just done it in the response I quoted. Instead of admitting that you're wrong and that I do defend nVidia at times, granted not much, it's better to attack something entirely different that I've said. I guess it's more fun to quote where I'm poking fun at fanboyism and saying that I'm being absurd and stupid than to actually address real points eh? Probably because when I poke fun at the fanboys it drives a stake too close to home.

 

[Sonikku]

Originally posted by: Thor86
I think to answer your question, high-end cards will NEVER be mass produced, as their costs are way too high to make much margins. Until the costs come down, then they should be able to, but this will never happen with bleeding edge technology.

But this isn't bleeding edge technology. It may have been back in August with the launch of the next generation 7800 series. But now? This is just a technology refresh. If anything, the smaller die should make these cards cost Nvidia less, not more, to make then the 7800 series.

 

[Capt Caveman]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30412

 

[letdown427]

I'm in the UK, my GTX arrives tomorrow. Hmm, to the ebay....?

 

[Cookie Monster]

The demand must be huge for the new 7900 series.

Guess we will have to wait for the next batch as more are coming. (Yields are good enough i suppose, as NV can produce alot per wafer.)

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
The demand must be huge for the new 7900 series.

Guess we will have to wait for the next batch as more are coming. (Yields are good enough i suppose, as NV can produce alot per wafer.)

...isn't that really the question..? Regardless if their yields are as high, better, or worse than ATI's yields for the X1900's, the point is that they need enough to meet the demand or we're going to see a shortage and price gouging.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30412

There are some 7900's in stock at Novatech, selling fast though.

 

[videopho]

I'm in the eVGA step-up queue #251 for 7900gtx super-clock. It was #269 when I first registered 5 days ago. So it's a slowwwww process due to high demand, obviously. I want to see how long the delay or wait is in a couple weeks then I'll have to decide whether I want a 1900xtx.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: akugami
I'm posting nonsense

QFT

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: akugami
I'm posting nonsense

QFT

I'd like to keep this thread about the availability of the G71 based cards.

The availability or lack thereof of either ATI or NVIDIA's mid-range cards simply isn't relevant and neither is the little pissing match the two of you have going on. Take it elsewhere.

 

[imported_thefonz]

I vote paper launch, with alot more availability comming in the next weeks, somewhat like the x1800 launch.

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: akugami
I'm posting nonsense

QFT

I'd like to keep this thread about the availability of the G71 based cards.

The availability or lack thereof of either ATI or NVIDIA's mid-range cards simply isn't relevant and neither is the little pissing match the two of you have going on. Take it elsewhere.

Sorry nitromullet, I normally try to stay on topic as much as possible but the guy irks me with all his fanboy crap. This thread didn't even have a thing to do with ATI until he jumped in.

And he's proven me right yet again with another one of his out of context quotes. Though that shouldn't be surprising to anyone.

Last post in this thread, facts are on the table. I think that other than when the fanboys are around I am pretty unbianced when posting about each company.