What's the deal with "liberals"?

Kaervak

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Why are they so hated and whatnot? I get the basics of it, wanting to idiot proof the world. But what else do they do that causes so much controversy? I'd consider myself predominatly libertarian, sometimes conservative. Looking for an unbiased, like that will ever happen, response. Thanks.
 

thebestMAX

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.<< Looking for an unbiased, like that will ever happen, response. Thanks. >>

That just about nailed it.
 

b0mbrman

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That just about nailed it.

Ditto. You agree with me, you're right and good. You disagree, you're wrong and bad and fat.
 

notfred

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There's a very vocal group on this forum who seems to think that the best way to deal with viewpoints that conflict with there own is to bash and flame.

"You think differently than me, so you dont deserve to live in my country" basically. Never mind the 1st amendment....
 

Kaervak

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Is that the only thing that makes them so hated? Aren't at a bare minimum a few ok? I'm not trying to start anything, just genuinely curious.
 

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each extreme hates the other extreme, don't be so naive to think that liberals don't feel any ill will towards conservatives or the christian right.
 

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<< Is that the only thing that makes them so hated? Aren't at a bare minimum a few ok? I'm not trying to start anything, just genuinely curious. >>



For the most part Liberals think that nobody is ever responsible for their actions, and are constantly trying to turn the government into an organization that essentially like parents for adults. That's what makes me hate them so much.
 

Kaervak

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<< each extreme hates the other extreme, don't be so naive to think that liberals don't feel any ill will towards conservatives or the christian right. >>




Never said they didn't. For the most part I don't like them, yet I'm not constantly bitching about them unless they've done something really stupid.
 

cleek

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<< ...Aren't at a bare minimum a few ok? >>



Hmm... good points, eh...

1. Well, their women are easy.

But, boy can they bitch!

Guess it comes with the territory when one is perennially indignant.

2. Good for the economy.

They sure import alot of those stylish Peruvian wool caps. And don't forget those hackysacks!

Yea, I say keep 'em around. No need for quotas. Once they have kids, Liberals usually wake up to reality.
 

gopunk

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For the most part Liberals think that nobody is ever responsible for their actions, and are constantly trying to turn the government into an organization that essentially like parents for adults. That's what makes me hate them so much.

i think the vast majority of liberals would disagree with you.
 

Deeko

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Many, many people on this board have a massive superiority complex. They think that they are FAR better than everyone else, and anyone that disagrees is just an idiot or a fool or has been brainwashed or something like that. These people need to grow up.
 

Kaervak

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Ok so most of it is apparently their "idiot proofing" that can't be all can it?
 

cleek

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<< Ok so most of it is apparently their "idiot proofing" that can't be all can it? >>



this seems to highlight alot of the buttons that the "L" crowd push...
There was also a good retort, but I'll have to dig it out later.


The Washington Times, Monday, April 22, 1996 by Don Feder

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You know you're a liberal if:

You think sexual harassment is rampant, date rape pervasive, domestic violence common and Paula Jones is lying.

You hate Hillary jokes.

You pale at the execution of child killers, but defend the killing of unborn children as an expression of choice. You think trees have feelings, animals can conceptualize and the fetus is a blob of protoplasm.

You are convinced that Frank Capra films and Norman Rockwell paintings are lies and distortions but "Platoon," "Dances with Wolves" and "Thelma and Louise" are realistic.

You thought Walt Disney was saccharine sweet and terminally cutesy-pie until it made "Pocahontas."

You think a moment of silent prayer at the beginning of the school day constitutes government indoctrination and an intrusion on parental authority, while sex education, condom distribution and multiculturalism are values-neutral.

You agonize over threats to the natural environment (acid rain, toxic waste) but are oblivious to threats to the social environment (pornography, promiscuity, and family dissolution).

You want to legalize cocaine and outlaw handguns. You think cops are pigs and criminals are products of their environment.

You believe the National Rifle Association helps criminals while the American Civil Liberties Union protects the innocent.

You think Rush Limbaugh is responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing but are outraged by suggestions that Ted Kaczynski (the suspected Unabomber) and Al Gore have anything in common.

Jesse Jackson makes sense to you. Barbra Streisand makes even more sense.

You think Herblock cartoons are funny and Janet Reno is totally hot.

You believe corporate profits are obscene but government spending is too low and the American people are under taxed.

You think deficits are caused by tax loopholes.

You think marriage is obsolete - except for homosexuals.

You believe homosexuality is genetically determined, but fascism and spouse abuse aren't.

You think AIDS is spread by insufficient funding.

You considers the Catholic bishops noble and idealistic when they oppose capital punishment and welfare cuts but dangerous fanatics trying to legislate their theology when they defend the right to life.

You are convinced that proponents of welfare reform hate the poor and opponents of affirmative action hate minorities, but AIDS activists who bash the Pope and People for the American Way types who go psycho over Protestant "fundamentalists" are guardians of democracy.

You attribute every minority problem to entrenched, institutional racism and the legacies of slavery and segregation.

You think the black middle class is a myth created by Newt Gingrich.

You view race riots as justifiable expressions of rage over injustice and fail to see the similarities between a black mob burning a Korean store and a white mob in the Jim Crow era lynching a black man.

You don't understand all of the whining about affirmative action and are more than willing to sacrifice someone else's employment or education opportunity to assuage your guilt.

You marched against American involvement in Vietnam, thought the Gulf war was unnecessary but believe 25,000 U.S. troops in Bosnia are vital to our national interests.

You see no correlation between welfare and the rise of illegitimacy, judicial leniency and surging crime rates, or addiction and an entertainment industry that glorifies drug abuse. But you believe Richard Nixon is responsible for everything horrible that's happened in the past quarter-century.

You think those child-abusing, religious fanatics at Waco had it coming but the illegal immigrants roughed up by California deputies - after leading them on a high-speed chase are the victims of the decade.

Lastly, you're a liberal if - you don't get the point of this column.

Don Feder is a nationally syndicated columnist.
 

Spamela

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<< But why do people feel that way about them? >>



Here?s my abbreviated opinion of how it happened:

During the 80's and 90's politicians adopted reagan's anti-government rhetoric and began attacking those who didn't buy into it (liberals). remember bush senior repeatedly calling dukakis a liberal in '88? Gingrich and other hard-right politicians went further and began very open, vicious attacks. This gave license to right-wing media to do the same.

i know plenty of conservatives who don't "hate" liberals, but the ones who do spend more time listening to rush limbaugh than reading george will.
 

StageLeft

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Just as many conservatives as pig-ignorant swine, so too are many Liberals. No group is ever always "right". Both are needed to maintain a balance. Statements like "The liberals are driving this country into the ground" are baseless at best, idiotic at worst.
 

jjones

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<< What's the deal with "liberals"? >>



it is a well known fact that most liberals were accidentally dropped on their heads as babies. :D
 

ElFenix

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liberals feel that society is an imperfect place and therefore government can expand rights by helping society along
conservatives feel that society works and government can only mess it up.
 

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<< Just as many conservatives as pig-ignorant swine, so too are many Liberals. No group is ever always "right". Both are needed to maintain a balance. Statements like "The liberals are driving this country into the ground" are baseless at best, idiotic at worst. >>



I disagree with respect to driving the country into the ground. Liberals are socialists and I think that if they really like all their welfare stuff so much then they shoudl put their money where their mouth is and move to England or someplace else that sucks (opps I mean actually implelements a lot of their liberal policies).
 

StageLeft

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I disagree with respect to driving the country into the ground. Liberals are socialists and I think that if they really like all their welfare stuff so much then they shoudl put their money where their mouth is and move to England or someplace else that sucks (opps I mean actually implelements a lot of their liberal policies).

Its their country just as much as yours. If you don't like them why don't you move? Have you ever been to England BTW or even left the state of Maryland for that matter?
 

Spamela

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<< Spamela-

And Vice-Versa
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LOL - since liberals are godless, how could that be?
 

cleek

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<< But why do people feel that way about them? >>



During the 80's and 90's politicians adopted reagan's anti-government rhetoric and began attacking those who didn't buy into it (liberals). remember bush senior repeatedly calling dukakis a liberal in '88? Gingrich and other hard-right politicians went further and began very open, vicious attacks. This gave license to right-wing media to do the same.

i know plenty of conservatives who don't "hate" liberals, but the ones who do spend more time listening to rush limbaugh than reading george will.
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During the 90's politicians adopted Clinton's big government rhetoric and began attacking those who didn't buy into it (conservatives). remember Clinton repeatedly calling the Repulicans extremists, saying that they wanted to destroy social security and starve children? Clinton, Gephart and other left-wing politicians went further and began very open, vicious attacks. This gave license to the left-wing media to do the same.

i know plenty of liberals who don't "hate" conservatives, but the ones who do spend more time listening to Jesse Jackson than reading Christopher Hitchens


I personally prefer P.J. O'Rourke...

Thx to spamala for allowing me to hijack her format
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