What's the deal with "liberals"?

<< Many, many people on this board have a massive superiority complex. They think that they are FAR better than everyone else, and anyone that disagrees is just an idiot or a fool or has been brainwashed or something like that. These people need to grow up. >>



I agree fully with you, and just by making that statement you proclaim to be above thoes people, thus lowering yourself to that level.
But that has nothing to do with being liberal at all.

 

[OutHouse]

Liberals=Socialism

 

[StageLeft]

its true! Many people here do indeed have a MASSIVE superiority complex.

Now, if I could simply dumb down my intellectual prowess to their levels perhaps I could relay to them their faults

 

[Tripleshot]

it is a well known fact that most liberals were accidentally dropped on their heads as babies.

Then what's yur excuse? An abortion attempt that survived?

 

[ElFenix]

earlier this century (say the 50s) clinton would have been considered a liberal republican.
earlier this century (say 1970) jesse helms was a conservative democrat (along with phil gramm, stom thurmond, and a whole lot of other old farts)

 

[Kaervak]

<< Liberals=Socialism >>



Ok what's socialism all about?

Just in case anyone is wondering, I'm 20. I've pretty much been trying to figure out my own political stance for a few years now and the closest thing I can relate to is libertarian.

 

[Kaervak]

<< No group is ever always "right". Both are needed to maintain a balance. >>



I agree there. No one side is completely right. Each has it's good and bad. Some sides good is easy to see and it's bad difficult to see and vice versa.

 

[StageLeft]

I've pretty much been trying to figure out my own political stance for a few years now and the closest thing I can relate to is libertarian.

I think its just something you settle into. There is no reason in the world you have to pick a side and remain committed to it through thick and thin, never willing to consider the other side. This is why I consider myself a Socialist, conservative, aristocratic communist who leans to the left.

 

[McPhreak]

<< it is a well known fact that most liberals were accidentally dropped on their heads as babies.

Then what's yur excuse? An abortion attempt that survived? >>



ROFL! You just made my day Tripleshot..thank you.

 

[Deeko]

<< I agree fully with you, and just by making that statement you proclaim to be above thoes people, thus lowering yourself to that level >>


I have never in my life proclaimed to be overall better than anyone else. Nor will I. The only people that I really can't stand are those that think they are better than everyone else. But I won't way that I'm better than them.

 

[HowardStern]

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<< Liberals=Socialism >>



Ok what's socialism all about?

Just in case anyone is wondering, I'm 20. I've pretty much been trying to figure out my own political stance for a few years now and the closest thing I can relate to is libertarian. >>



In a socialist country the government takes almost all of your money (the more money you make the higher % they take) and then dole out benefits, like welfare, retirement income, health benefits, etc. to everyone on an basis depending upon ones percieved needs. For example, someone who puts themselves in college and gets a job and works hard and saves money would be punished severly (economically) while some lazy loafer who doesn't work and just sits at home and has a dozen kids will be rewarded for their behavior (economically). The end result of this is that everybody ends up being poor. In effect, it rewards lazyness and irresponsibility while punishing those of us who are responsible and work hard.

 

[cleek]

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<< Liberals=Socialism >>



Ok what's socialism all about?

Just in case anyone is wondering, I'm 20. I've pretty much been trying to figure out my own political stance for a few years now and the closest thing I can relate to is libertarian. >>



You need to read Friedrich Hayek's book "The Road to Serfdom". He summarizes the near and long term effects of socialism, excepting the barbed wire and enforced "group think".

Many say Friedrich Hayek is to economic thought, what Salma Hayek is to many males: compelling
Note that appreciation of one is not a substitute for the other. see this for context

 

[Kaervak]

<< In a socialist country the government takes almost all of your money (the more money you make the higher % they take) and then dole out benefits, like welfare, retirement income, health benefits, etc. to everyone on an basis depending upon ones percieved needs. For example, someone who puts themselves in college and gets a job and works hard and saves money would be punished severly (economically) while some lazy loafer who doesn't work and just sits at home and has a dozen kids will be rewarded for their behavior (economically). The end result of this is that everybody ends up being poor. In effect, it rewards lazyness and irresponsibility while punishing those of us who are responsible and work hard. >>



Thanks for clarifying. Well, I'm completely against that. You work hard for your cash you deserve it, you sit on your ass you get jack sh!t.

 

[Aihyah]

right wingers use the term liberal as rednecks/kkk use great person. it becomes so clear...

right wingers feel the need to be righteously indignant, they seem to enjoy it.

 

[cleek]

<< right wingers use the term liberal as rednecks/kkk use great person. it becomes so clear...

right wingers feel the need to be righteously indignant, they seem to enjoy it. >>



left wingers use the term liberal as devout christians use the term God. However left wingers dont'
want God's name mentioned because they think its sharing the credit.

 

[LordMaul]

Yes, there was one good democrat.

FDR.

Sorry, but that's about it...

 

[Spamela]

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<< But why do people feel that way about them? >>



During the 80's and 90's politicians adopted reagan's anti-government rhetoric and began attacking those who didn't buy into it (liberals). remember bush senior repeatedly calling dukakis a liberal in '88? Gingrich and other hard-right politicians went further and began very open, vicious attacks. This gave license to right-wing media to do the same.

i know plenty of conservatives who don't "hate" liberals, but the ones who do spend more time listening to rush limbaugh than reading george will. >>



During the 90's politicians adopted Clinton's big government rhetoric and began attacking those who didn't buy into it (conservatives). remember Clinton repeatedly calling the Repulicans extremists, saying that they wanted to destroy social security and starve children? Clinton, Gephart and other left-wing politicians went further and began very open, vicious attacks. This gave license to the left-wing media to do the same.

i know plenty of liberals who don't "hate" conservatives, but the ones who do spend more time listening to Jesse Jackson than reading Christopher Hitchens


I personally prefer P.J. O'Rourke...

Thx to spamala for allowing me to hijack her format
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you mean you really didn't want to starve children?
btw, i'm a he (see
here)

 

[Kaervak]

Anyone else care to share their opnion?

 

[cleek]

<< Yes, there was one good democrat.

FDR.

Sorry, but that's about it...



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Yea, And I wonder why the Japaneses Americans never said "domo arigato" for that 4 year vacation in Death Valley. Go figure...

 

[Nutdotnet]

Bah....whoever said that the left-extremists hate the right-extremists and vice-versa is absolutley correct.

I am a LIBERAL! But am not an extremist (I think that any sort of extremist is border-line psycho anyways). Even though I disagree with MOST of the things that right-wingers believe in I don't think that they are any less of a people.


People are brought up in different environments and that has a lot to do with what political party they feel most comfortable being affiliated with. If everyone thought the EXACT same way this country would not nearly be as great and powerful as we are today. The U.S.A strives on diversity, for people to think that we all need to be a certain way really needs to examine themselves and figure out WHY they think they are so special.

 

[cleek]

[qyou mean you really didn't want to starve children?
btw, i'm a he (see
here)[/i] >>



No, ah... sir.:Q
Those kids need to consume lot'sa Coca Cola (TM), Big Macs(TM), and Pizza Hut Personal Pan Pizza(TM).
How else could "we" turn them into profit maximizing, globalist, corporate stooges?

 

[Kaervak]

That's another thing, what exactly is globilization and why are some people so against it.

 

[jbod]

Basically, Liberals are hypocrites. They say one thing and do another........for political gain.

They want socialized everything.......socialism only works in a homogeneous society like Sweden for instance, or Japan. Because they are all basically one race of people and don't mind footing the bill for their fellow Sweeds.

Basically, Liberals are hypocrites......did I say that already? hmmmmmmm

 

[jbod]

I can list these anecdotes if you like....

 

[Kaervak]

If you want to, feel free to.