Whats the curve in your class?

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: Elemental007

Originally posted by: igowerf

Then the curriculum is totally fscked up and should be fixed. Don't just "make' people pass by adding a curve.

Then again, we are talking about professors that probably have PHd's, so common sense has no bearing here anyway. In my experience, outside of their subject matter, most PHd's are utter morons.

amish

If the course was easy enough to get an A without a curve, then it's not really challenging the students. The difficulty works to filter out the people who can't cut it too.

that's exactly my point. I wonder why Amish can't understand that.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying there's nothing wrong with only 10% of the students getting A/B grades. There's nothing wrong with the entire class failing. You get the grade you earn. There's no need to artificially inflate grades and no reason to artificially lower them by creating outlandish exams.

amish

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: Elemental007

Originally posted by: igowerf

Then the curriculum is totally fscked up and should be fixed. Don't just "make' people pass by adding a curve.

Then again, we are talking about professors that probably have PHd's, so common sense has no bearing here anyway. In my experience, outside of their subject matter, most PHd's are utter morons.

amish

If the course was easy enough to get an A without a curve, then it's not really challenging the students. The difficulty works to filter out the people who can't cut it too.

that's exactly my point. I wonder why Amish can't understand that.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying there's nothing wrong with only 10% of the students getting A/B grades. There's nothing wrong with the entire class failing. You get the grade you earn. There's no need to artificially inflate grades and no reason to artificially lower them by creating outlandish exams.

amish

which brings me back to my firrst point, then.

Only 20% of the students should pass a class, then?

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: Elemental007

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: Elemental007

Originally posted by: igowerf

Then the curriculum is totally fscked up and should be fixed. Don't just "make' people pass by adding a curve.

Then again, we are talking about professors that probably have PHd's, so common sense has no bearing here anyway. In my experience, outside of their subject matter, most PHd's are utter morons.

amish

If the course was easy enough to get an A without a curve, then it's not really challenging the students. The difficulty works to filter out the people who can't cut it too.

that's exactly my point. I wonder why Amish can't understand that.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying there's nothing wrong with only 10% of the students getting A/B grades. There's nothing wrong with the entire class failing. You get the grade you earn. There's no need to artificially inflate grades and no reason to artificially lower them by creating outlandish exams.

amish

which brings me back to my firrst point, then.

Only 20% of the students should pass a class, then?

As many should pass as receive the passing grade. As many should fail as receive the failing grade.

amish

 

[yoda291]

At my school, the tests were ridiculously hard for CS. Also, they were under very tight time constraints, like questions that should have been solved in 20 minutes were alloted 5 to solve. There were almost always more questions than the professor reasonably expected you to answer in the time and given the area of study. This makes sense to me tho. It shows how much the class knows in relation to the whole topic. It tells you not to forget that, as hard as you study, you're not gonna leave the class as an expert in computer architecture after a measly semester of study. But, if these tests were graded without a curve, EVERYONE who isn't qualified to TEACH the course would fail. You would have to enter into the course with a background in the field. If you took a CS/EE/CE track where you could reasonably expect to get 90+% on all the exams, your professors were either incompetent or made some bad tests IMO.

 

[amdskip]

I don't like them usually. Sometimes they are alright but not usually and it's not fair to everyone.

 

[beer]

This brings me back to the whole 'common sense' thing....

What school do go to?

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: Elemental007
This brings me back to the whole 'common sense' thing....

What school do go to?

Yeah, common sense says that 100-90%=A,90-80%=B, ...etc.

I went to Weber State University.

amish

 

[Lager]

Haven't had curve since high school days.

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: Elemental007
This brings me back to the whole 'common sense' thing....

What school do go to?

Yeah, common sense says that 100-90%=A,90-80%=B, ...etc.

I went to Weber State University.

amish

yeah, maybe at that school 100-90=A, etc etc.

but I think that reflects a lot more on your school and your education than you seem to think it does.

But I'm not going to say anything more.

 

[brtspears2]

Here at UCR .. at least for engineering like courses in my experiences

Physics 40A-B-C = ~45% is a C-
CS10/12/14/61 = ~85% is an A

Most CS upper division ... ~55-65% to get a C+
Most EE upper division ... ~50% to get a C

Theres just no way anyone could digest every detail for an EE/CS class in 10 weeks.

Though in community college, sheesh, it was like getting A's handed to me like high school. All I get now is my ass handed back to me, I guess I got slapped with the reality.

 

[gopunk]

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying there's nothing wrong with only 10% of the students getting A/B grades. There's nothing wrong with the entire class failing. You get the grade you earn. There's no need to artificially inflate grades and no reason to artificially lower them by creating outlandish exams.

amish

the issue you are neglecting is that the difficulty of a course can vary tremendously depending on who teaches it. this is why classes have set means.

 

[gopunk]

what class is this btw?

 

[Spac3d]

Originally posted by: Elemental007

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: Elemental007
This brings me back to the whole 'common sense' thing....

What school do go to?

Yeah, common sense says that 100-90%=A,90-80%=B, ...etc.

I went to Weber State University.

amish

yeah, maybe at that school 100-90=A, etc etc.

but I think that reflects a lot more on your school and your education than you seem to think it does.

But I'm not going to say anything more.

Wow!!! Weber State?!?!?!?! I have heard so much about their difficult CS program!!!


Errrr... nevermind, I never even heard of that place

 

[TallBill]

rereading..wth kind of school and major do you have if you've never had a curve? Are you studying Philosophy of Religion or Elementary Education or something?

Why knock other majors? Are they not as demanding? Thats opposite logic. A less demanding major would have a curve. Your "tough" physics class shouldn't have one. Hey, 20% would have passed. They must have been doing something right. Sucks for the rest.

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: Spac3d

Originally posted by: Elemental007

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: Elemental007
This brings me back to the whole 'common sense' thing....

What school do go to?

Yeah, common sense says that 100-90%=A,90-80%=B, ...etc.

I went to Weber State University.

amish

yeah, maybe at that school 100-90=A, etc etc.

but I think that reflects a lot more on your school and your education than you seem to think it does.

But I'm not going to say anything more.

Wow!!! Weber State?!?!?!?! I have heard so much about their difficult CS program!!!


Errrr... nevermind, I never even heard of that place

I'm not saying my college is better/worse than any other.

But, it's nice to know that instead of facing the issue you guys just by-pass it and denounce the institution.

amish

 

[bolinger]

You guys are just going to have to face the reality that Weber State is the best school in the country and that all those Top 50 schools that have curved courses are doing things all wrong.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: bolinger
You guys are just going to have to face the reality that Weber State is the best school in the country and that all those Top 50 schools that have curved courses are doing things all wrong.

Thats not the issue at hand though.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: TallBill

rereading..wth kind of school and major do you have if you've never had a curve? Are you studying Philosophy of Religion or Elementary Education or something?

Why knock other majors? Are they not as demanding? Thats opposite logic. A less demanding major would have a curve. Your "tough" physics class shouldn't have one. Hey, 20% would have passed. They must have been doing something right. Sucks for the rest.

huh? in my experience, the more difficult courses have curves, while the simpler ones do not. we're talking difficulty of material, not difficulty of getting a good grade.

 

[Lonyo]

Maybe they should just tell you your grade, then you'll never know if you got 80% or 90% that gave you an A or B or whatever.
If you only knew your grade, you couldn't say much

 

[gopunk]

But, it's nice to know that instead of facing the issue you guys just by-pass it and denounce the institution.

amish

as i said earlier, different profs, different difficulty levels. set means are in place to normalize and not make your grade so dependant on the prof.

 

[TallBill]

Hehe, i guess i've had the opposite experience then.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

ok, i have little school experience out of high school, i went to art school, and there was no curve there. Your grade was based solely on how you did your project, as all the projects were graded by students to determine the effectiveness of the work you made(this was advertising) so you had to be able to sell throu type and images.

In the real world their are no curves, you get paid to do a job at your best ability, not riding along(some do this and can last awhile, but eventually it will catch up to you).

 

[gopunk]

In the real world their are no curves, you get paid to do a job at your best ability, not riding along(some do this and can last awhile, but eventually it will catch up to you).

no... the whole f*cking world is one big giant curve. you compete with everyone around you, there are no set grading scales. at your job, you can perform at 110% level. but if everyone around you performs at 150, you will not be rewarded as much as if they had performed at 90.

 

[Noirish]

Originally posted by: lukatmyshu
I just found out that the curve in one of my classes is such that 10% will get As, 30% will get Bs, and the rest will get Cs or lower. This is in an upper division CS class, at UC Berkeley. It seems really harsh.

Typical of UCB.
I remember one math class, in one of the midterms, the higest score is like 20/100, i probably get around 10 or so.
Amazingly, it turned out to be B or something like that.
They just like to play with the curve.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: gopunk

In the real world their are no curves, you get paid to do a job at your best ability, not riding along(some do this and can last awhile, but eventually it will catch up to you).

no... the whole f*cking world is one big giant curve.

No, the whole learning process is just a sham. Unfortunatly there is no way to accuratly read someones competence, knowledge, and ability. Hence, test scores.