mikeymikec
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- May 19, 2011
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IronWing
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- Jul 20, 2001
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People living in the Midwest sure are keen to build a wall through my backyard. F off pussies. I'd rather live with border crossers if it means there's a chance to spot a jaguar at some point in my life than to deal with a wall and never see a jaguar.
Bitek
Lifer
- Aug 2, 2001
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Dems came out with their own cost analysis today. They came to $70B lol.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/18/15346748/trump-wall-cost-70-billion-democrats
Creditable estimates right after the election went as high as $50B.
Who knows the exact price, but clearly Trump's promises were bullshit. It went from "Mexico will pay for it" to "it will cost several multiples of NASA's annual budget."
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/18/15346748/trump-wall-cost-70-billion-democrats
Creditable estimates right after the election went as high as $50B.
Who knows the exact price, but clearly Trump's promises were bullshit. It went from "Mexico will pay for it" to "it will cost several multiples of NASA's annual budget."
that $70B is probably the closest to reality. Trump sees a beautiful wall as a bunch of metal and cement, what he doesn't account for is all the technology and upkeep that a modern fence would have.
the entire idea of a wall from one coast to the other was stupid to begin with.
Bitek
Lifer
- Aug 2, 2001
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I'm curious how much all the eminent domain lawsuits will cost us.
Could probably have several Martian rover missions for the waste of time The Wall will buy us.
Sheik Yerbouti
Lifer
- Feb 16, 2005
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"best deal"Rome was not built in a day. We have to negotiate to get the best deal and make sure the work is done by legally employed individuals.
Check back in a year.
lol, that's rich, drumpf negotiating skills were exposed with the ahca.
I was going to post a wall of drumpf quotes talking about how he said the wall would be started by such and such a date, but to drumpf-fluffers like you, facts and the truth are beyond your comprehension and acknowledgement.
So instead, here's an animated gif
Sunburn74
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- Oct 5, 2009
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I cannot believe we are discussing this. Even if there was infinite money in the US coffer's, we shouldn't build that dumbass wall. Its not even a technically feasible feat given that our border is often river, canyon, mountains, and a crap ton of private property.
Next some orange faced, peanut brained politician will propose building a ladder to moon to deport people with.
Bitek
Lifer
- Aug 2, 2001
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"best deal"
lol, that's rich, drumpf negotiating skills were exposed with the ahca.
I was going to post a wall of drumpf quotes talking about how he said the wall would be started by such and such a date, but to drumpf-fluffers like you, facts and the truth are beyond your comprehension and acknowledgement.
So instead, here's an animated gif
I wonder how long it will take for supporters to stop buying into his crap and realize he's a con?
It's starting to happen, but damn it's a slow process.
"Best deals" lol. Trump has proved to be a horrible negotiator so far.
K1052
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- Aug 21, 2003
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It's not going to matter since Congress will only appropriate a small fraction of the money for the wall. The GOP internally isn't agreed on it and the Dems aren't going to help them so little to no money.
As with all government projects, assume a 30-100% markup, so around 100-150B. There's zero percent chance of this happening.
Bitek
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- Aug 2, 2001
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Not really a fan of David Frum, but this is hilarious:
This is an idiotic deal. Who would ever take that? Why is it even on the table?
Trump is offering Dems the chance to:
-Look dysfunctional by shutting down a govt he has complete control of
-Make a broken promise and waste of money a front and center issue
-Be left with no choice other than look weak, cave, and/or get blamed for sabotaging healthcare, which is another broken promise he is already fucking up badly
What's next? Threaten to release naked photos of Ivanka he took himself?
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I'm reminded of the scene from Blazing Saddles.
Sheik Yerbouti
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- Feb 16, 2005
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I'm reminded of the scene from Blazing Saddles.
"Isn't anybody going to help that poor man?"
"Baby, you are so talented.... And they are so dumb..""Isn't anybody going to help that poor man?"
This is the same sort of nonsensical hostage taking that Republicans tried with the debt ceiling. 'Give me policy concessions or I will cause a nationwide catastrophe'. If Democrats have a brain in their collective heads they will categorically refuse all offers like that. If Trump wants to inflict suffering on millions of Americans in order to try and build a pointless wall that's his choice but he shouldn't expect democrats to help.
What's funny and sad is that it appears Trump really thinks these 'tough' negotiating tactics are going to be effective when what he really seems to be showing is that he's clueless. Remember with health care he said 'take it or leave it, I'm done negotiating'? They left it and what did he do? Came crawling back.
zinfamous
No Lifer
- Jul 12, 2006
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It seems Trump still thinks that governing is the same as business. That threats against a single person's livelihood somehow translate 1:1 in effectiveness when attempting to threaten representatives for complex policy and funding for hundreds of millions of people across the country.
This guy really is the fucking brainless idiot that we all knew he was, and it's fascinating watching his nuthuggers refuse to come to the same realization that government is not business....but decades of dickle down economics being force-fed down their gullets as the only solution to everything is a tough wall to break for these numbskulls.
zinfamous
No Lifer
- Jul 12, 2006
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"Isn't anybody going to help that poor man?"
This is how Trump will exit next years SOTU address. ....er, if he's around that long.
I think it's that he's used to bullying people because he usually had more money and leverage than them. If they weren't affected by his bullying then he moved on to an easier mark. At least when it comes to government so far he's been rolled in every negotiation he's tried. He doesn't seem to realize why this doesn't work either.
The fact that he's trying this indicates to me that he has no idea what he's doing. What possible incentive do Democrats have to cooperate? Trump, who Democratic constituents hate, wants money from them to build a wall, which their constituents hate, in exchange for Trump not doing something Democratic constituents (and most of the rest of the country) would blame Trump for anyway. Think Republican midterm prospects look shaky now? Try torpedoing the individual insurance market and see what things look like.
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